So you would be like a ratings agency? Seems like you would have a lot of power over who is elected and who isn't...
+5% Great idea.+5% ... we just need someone to DO it ..
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I hope 1 day BitShares has a delegate profile site.
- Where it easy to view the delegates, their projects and their progress.
- Where the site owner uses the project information to create a roadmap for BTS.
- Where trusted inspectors/delegates and individuals can give delegate reviews.
So you would be like a ratings agency? Seems like you would have a lot of power over who is elected and who isn't...
You say this is for inspectors. What exactly will you be inspecting? and what criteria will you be inspecting against? It sounds like you are just going to be sending an email to each delegate to publish a progress report. Why does this need a paid delegate position?
I've been thinking about a similar idea for a while now.
However: "Quis custodiet ipsos custodes?"
The low pay delegates especially need vetting as they are placed under a lot less scrutiny than 100% delegates (for good reason, but if every 3% delegate was run by the same person it would be a completely centralised system). All the 100% are either from the original team, have verified their uniqueness by talking on mumble, or are producing tangible work. They still may need reminding to produce reports though.
The low pay delegates are more of a risk, 1 person could control dozens of low pay delegates at the moment. We need all delegates vetted so we can at the very least know which delegates are being run by people who claim to be unique individuals. Then more scrutiny can be placed on finding out if that is true or not.
I hope 1 day BitShares has a delegate profile site.
- Where it easy to view the delegates, their projects and their progress.
The low pay delegates especially need vetting as they are placed under a lot less scrutiny than 100% delegates (for good reason, but if every 3% delegate was run by the same person it would be a completely centralised system). All the 100% are either from the original team, have verified their uniqueness by talking on mumble, or are producing tangible work. They still may need reminding to produce reports though.
The low pay delegates are more of a risk, 1 person could control dozens of low pay delegates at the moment. We need all delegates vetted so we can at the very least know which delegates are being run by people who claim to be unique individuals. Then more scrutiny can be placed on finding out if that is true or not.
We want to separate delegates from workers and paid proposal and have all inflation require a majority of active votes
So you would be like a ratings agency? Seems like you would have a lot of power over who is elected and who isn't...
So you would be like a ratings agency? Seems like you would have a lot of power over who is elected and who isn't...
That is my fear too for the future of bitshares...
hope we have not something like ....
I mean with so much power they have (more than Countries Governments in my opinion)
http://www.theguardian.com/business/2012/feb/15/credit-ratings-agencies-moodys
http://www.voxeu.org/article/rating-agency-europe-good-idea
http://www.economicpredictions.org/who-is-to-blame-for-the-financial-crisis.htm
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Big_Three_%28credit_rating_agencies%29
We want to separate delegates from workers and paid proposal and have all inflation require a majority of active votes
So you would be like a ratings agency? Seems like you would have a lot of power over who is elected and who isn't...
That is my fear too for the future of bitshares...
hope we have not something like ....
I mean with so much power they have (more than Countries Governments in my opinion)
http://www.theguardian.com/business/2012/feb/15/credit-ratings-agencies-moodys
http://www.voxeu.org/article/rating-agency-europe-good-idea
http://www.economicpredictions.org/who-is-to-blame-for-the-financial-crisis.htm
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Big_Three_%28credit_rating_agencies%29
Oh , you want shareholders to pay for dilution , and you don't want the delegate to be reviewed by anybody just like normal company's HR department would do ?
So .....What are we building here ?
If we're not building a business , then what are we paying for exactly ?
If the delegate can do their job well and put up a report like any good employee in companies would do , we won't even talk about needing a inspector in the first place .
This is not politics . Delegates are elected to be an employee , not to be a politician or a leader . Delegates are employees to the system and the system needs a way to identify those individuals who are the best for the system .
Who guards the guardians?
They certainly will not audit themselves out of the position. Just look at the SEC....
So you would be like a ratings agency? Seems like you would have a lot of power over who is elected and who isn't...
That is my fear too for the future of bitshares...
hope we have not something like ....
I mean with so much power they have (more than Countries Governments in my opinion)
http://www.theguardian.com/business/2012/feb/15/credit-ratings-agencies-moodys
http://www.voxeu.org/article/rating-agency-europe-good-idea
http://www.economicpredictions.org/who-is-to-blame-for-the-financial-crisis.htm
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Big_Three_%28credit_rating_agencies%29
Oh , you want shareholders to pay for dilution , and you don't want the delegate to be reviewed by anybody just like normal company's HR department would do ?
So .....What are we building here ?
If we're not building a business , then what are we paying for exactly ?
If the delegate can do their job well and put up a report like any good employee in companies would do , we won't even talk about needing a inspector in the first place .
This is not politics . Delegates are elected to be an employee , not to be a politician or a leader . Delegates are employees to the system and the system needs a way to identify those individuals who are the best for the system .
If you find a way to find/identify inspectors that are honest and objective I am on it?
When we have for example in future 30 inspectors, will we need to elect about 10 new inspectors to review the work/inspecting of the previous 30?
What about the slate future? Is it not helpful enough?
What about the registration fee?
What about the current market cap ? (current dev's are underpaid...)
I don't think we need this right now! Maybe it is a really good idea, I just think it is not the right timing...
From my understanding the OP is proposing a page which gives information about the delegates .. NOT a rating ..
I think this is naturally occurring already. Although having a one spot to go to in Chinese and English would be nice. Outside of that I think that there are enough bored ass people on here to keep tabs on those who are not producing and make it known. It might be the case when we start to have more non-core dev delegates but at this stage it doesn't need a delegate.
People literally love to do this because they hate the thought of someone getting one over on them. This problem doesn't need a delegate at this point.Another way of looking at it though is that it helps marketing, and growing confidence in the project, but do we really need a delegate to do this?
When we ask people to do month/biweekly reports, we shouldn't push this idea of 'keeping tabs' on them, but let it be a way for everyone to communicate what they are working on.
This will help grow market cap by instilling confidence in the investors.
Those not paying for themselves will show their colors.
Those who never do anything will be very obvious.
But it really is just as much of a tool to showcase all the work that is being done.
No greater content could be shown.
Not a more effective message be known.
Let me center this paragraph like a poorman's Stan.
Who guards the guardians?
They certainly will not audit themselves out of the position. Just look at the SEC....
Look at the HRs on the regular company ...
What would they do to solve the problem you asked ?
Who guards the guardians?
They certainly will not audit themselves out of the position. Just look at the SEC....
Who guards the guardians?
They certainly will not audit themselves out of the position. Just look at the SEC....
Why they need to be audited? They just ask the delegates their progress and report the information that provided by delegates to the community. If there is any dishonesty, the delegates will argue and the community will know. They won't make any voting suggestion or rating.
Can you find a honest media ?
No , you can't . The best way to prevent certain people abusing the power of information is to provide more competing information , just like the media .
Anyone can be one of this position , with or without pay .
Anyone with their free time can do this .
I think this is naturally occurring already. Although having a one spot to go to in Chinese and English would be nice. Outside of that I think that there are enough bored ass people on here to keep tabs on those who are not producing and make it known. It might be the case when we start to have more non-core dev delegates but at this stage it doesn't need a delegate.
People literally love to do this because they hate the thought of someone getting one over on them. This problem doesn't need a delegate at this point.Another way of looking at it though is that it helps marketing, and growing confidence in the project, but do we really need a delegate to do this?
When we ask people to do month/biweekly reports, we shouldn't push this idea of 'keeping tabs' on them, but let it be a way for everyone to communicate what they are working on.
This will help grow market cap by instilling confidence in the investors.
Those not paying for themselves will show their colors.
Those who never do anything will be very obvious.
But it really is just as much of a tool to showcase all the work that is being done.
No greater content could be shown.
Not a more effective message be known.
Let me center this paragraph like a poorman's Stan.
I didn't propose a new delegate position, and probably will never do it, because it currently is a sub-program of market.cn.group101, who is responsible for all the shareholders, especially some investors who are not very involved in the developing and this forum due to language and time. They want to see how their shares are diluted then decide who to vote for.