That isn't including any of the initial delegates. And there are still 26 of those. So 6 entities control well over half the delegates.
Maybe you guys want it that way?
This is not looking very decentralized. Especially to any newcomers.
That isn't including any of the initial delegates. And there are still 26 of those. So 6 entities control well over half the delegates.
Maybe you guys want it that way?
This is not looking very decentralized. Especially to any newcomers.
We want 100 unique individuals, but obviously there are not 100 qualified candidates right now. Show me a list with 101 unique individuals ready to operate nodes and I will vote for them all in a minute.
Right now the system is young and is already more decentralized that bitcoin & Ripple.
You are entirely too quick to judge. Look at the DIRECTION it is moving and not where it is. It started out 100% centralized... now you are complaining about 5 people with about 7% control each? And then insinuate that we want centralization? ::)
That isn't including any of the initial delegates. And there are still 26 of those. So 6 entities control well over half the delegates.
Maybe you guys want it that way?
This is not looking very decentralized. Especially to any newcomers.
We want 100 unique individuals, but obviously there are not 100 qualified candidates right now. Show me a list with 101 unique individuals ready to operate nodes and I will vote for them all in a minute.
Right now the system is young and is already more decentralized that bitcoin & Ripple.
You are entirely too quick to judge. Look at the DIRECTION it is moving and not where it is. It started out 100% centralized... now you are complaining about 5 people with about 7% control each? And then insinuate that we want centralization? ::)
That isn't including any of the initial delegates. And there are still 26 of those. So 6 entities control well over half the delegates.
Maybe you guys want it that way?
This is not looking very decentralized. Especially to any newcomers.
We want 100 unique individuals, but obviously there are not 100 qualified candidates right now. Show me a list with 101 unique individuals ready to operate nodes and I will vote for them all in a minute.
Right now the system is young and is already more decentralized that bitcoin & Ripple.
You are entirely too quick to judge. Look at the DIRECTION it is moving and not where it is. It started out 100% centralized... now you are complaining about 5 people with about 7% control each? And then insinuate that we want centralization? ::)
if it is easy for delegates to see who voted for them, why won't each voter gradually drift toward the delegates that give them the highest immediate cash in return, even off-chain? this seems like an existential threat to the system, it dampens the idea that DPOS will be a force of nature, and weakens the power of decentralization by vote.https://bitsharestalk.org/index.php?topic=5868.msg78966#msg78966
if it is easy for delegates to see who voted for them, why won't each voter gradually drift toward the delegates that give them the highest immediate cash in return, even off-chain? this seems like an existential threat to the system, it dampens the idea that DPOS will be a force of nature, and weakens the power of decentralization by vote.https://bitsharestalk.org/index.php?topic=5868.msg78966#msg78966
POW has the same problem. We should ban "pay back delegates". It is not perfect but it works for Bitcoin. There are also no pay back mining pools.
I think it might not be a problem if all shareholders that vote are educated enough that such voting behaviour harms their assets / the network they own and that (probably by far) is a bigger loss on average than the tiny gains through paid back tx fees. That is how I think about it right now. But please feel free to discuss it! I tried to spark of a solid discussion there but no one really talks about it...
I'm confused how I would run a delegate - I see I can register my ident, is it just as simple as doing that and then getting people to vote for me?Rent a VPS server -> build the client -> register a delegate account -> ask for vote -> generate block
I think the tools are fine but the explanation for people who haven't followed every dry run are sorely lacking. Once people understand how to be delegates or what it requires vs what its rewards are, we'll probably see less centralization.
If one delegate is beginning to prove his marketing efforts it will pressure the others to do the same.if it is easy for delegates to see who voted for them, why won't each voter gradually drift toward the delegates that give them the highest immediate cash in return, even off-chain? this seems like an existential threat to the system, it dampens the idea that DPOS will be a force of nature, and weakens the power of decentralization by vote.https://bitsharestalk.org/index.php?topic=5868.msg78966#msg78966
POW has the same problem. We should ban "pay back delegates". It is not perfect but it works for Bitcoin. There are also no pay back mining pools.
I think it might not be a problem if all shareholders that vote are educated enough that such voting behaviour harms their assets / the network they own and that (probably by far) is a bigger loss on average than the tiny gains through paid back tx fees. That is how I think about it right now. But please feel free to discuss it! I tried to spark of a solid discussion there but no one really talks about it...
you should only ban what you can enforce. Can you really enforce a no-pay? Whats to stop people from paying for "marketing" and it goes to a mass sender going out to their secret backers?
I'm confused how I would run a delegate - I see I can register my ident, is it just as simple as doing that and then getting people to vote for me?
I think the tools are fine but the explanation for people who haven't followed every dry run are sorely lacking. Once people understand how to be delegates or what it requires vs what its rewards are, we'll probably see less centralization.
if it is easy for delegates to see who voted for them, why won't each voter gradually drift toward the delegates that give them the highest immediate cash in return, even off-chain? this seems like an existential threat to the system, it dampens the idea that DPOS will be a force of nature, and weakens the power of decentralization by vote.https://bitsharestalk.org/index.php?topic=5868.msg78966#msg78966
POW has the same problem. We should ban "pay back delegates". It is not perfect but it works for Bitcoin. There are also no pay back mining pools.
I think it might not be a problem if all shareholders that vote are educated enough that such voting behaviour harms their assets / the network they own and that (probably by far) is a bigger loss on average than the tiny gains through paid back tx fees. That is how I think about it right now. But please feel free to discuss it! I tried to spark of a solid discussion there but no one really talks about it...
I'm confused how I would run a delegate - I see I can register my ident, is it just as simple as doing that and then getting people to vote for me?
I think the tools are fine but the explanation for people who haven't followed every dry run are sorely lacking. Once people understand how to be delegates or what it requires vs what its rewards are, we'll probably see less centralization.
agreed. I didn't realize there was such need for delegates. should I rent out a vps and (try) to get the code compiled for the sake of helping?
If one delegate is beginning to prove his marketing efforts it will pressure the others to do the same.if it is easy for delegates to see who voted for them, why won't each voter gradually drift toward the delegates that give them the highest immediate cash in return, even off-chain? this seems like an existential threat to the system, it dampens the idea that DPOS will be a force of nature, and weakens the power of decentralization by vote.https://bitsharestalk.org/index.php?topic=5868.msg78966#msg78966
POW has the same problem. We should ban "pay back delegates". It is not perfect but it works for Bitcoin. There are also no pay back mining pools.
I think it might not be a problem if all shareholders that vote are educated enough that such voting behaviour harms their assets / the network they own and that (probably by far) is a bigger loss on average than the tiny gains through paid back tx fees. That is how I think about it right now. But please feel free to discuss it! I tried to spark of a solid discussion there but no one really talks about it...
you should only ban what you can enforce. Can you really enforce a no-pay? Whats to stop people from paying for "marketing" and it goes to a mass sender going out to their secret backers?
I meant a "soft ban" = discussing it, educating people that the personal benefits for them are tiny but the potential harm to the network can be big which harms them a lot as they are shareholders. "Ban" is maybe not the right word. More something like a "social ban". This seems to be against crypto principles but the byzantine generals problems has not been solved by anyone in the space yet. POW, POS and DPOS all have the potential for centralization and it can not be avoided solely by technical means (up to now, lets see).
I'm confused how I would run a delegate - I see I can register my ident, is it just as simple as doing that and then getting people to vote for me?
I think the tools are fine but the explanation for people who haven't followed every dry run are sorely lacking. Once people understand how to be delegates or what it requires vs what its rewards are, we'll probably see less centralization.
agreed. I didn't realize there was such need for delegates. should I rent out a vps and (try) to get the code compiled for the sake of helping?
there is a need for delegates, ideally they would be 101 individuals with standing and technical experience in the community trusted to (1) not screw the system and (2) maintain/pay for their node.
to do it see:
https://github.com/BitShares/bitshares_toolkit/wiki/DPOS-initial-delegate-setup
To be a delegate you just need to:
1) pay to be a delegate (set up an account, give it some BTS, register the account, register the account as a delegate)
2) set "wallet_enable_delegate_block_production $ACCOUNT true"
3) UNLOCK YOUR WALLET and keep it unlocked!!!! set a long time out (that was my mistake at first)
4) somewhat optional, but nice to do:
network_set_advanced_node_parameters {"desired_number_of_connections":50, "maximum_number_of_connections":200}
benefits: you get a share of the transaction fees (pay_rate*10/101*transaction_fees_per_day)
costs: maintaining a vps, having to be on top of things
in theory, you should campaign and be well known. In practice, for now, it is dominated by the big accounts giving themselves a large number of delegate spots.
I'm confused how I would run a delegate - I see I can register my ident, is it just as simple as doing that and then getting people to vote for me?
I think the tools are fine but the explanation for people who haven't followed every dry run are sorely lacking. Once people understand how to be delegates or what it requires vs what its rewards are, we'll probably see less centralization.
agreed. I didn't realize there was such need for delegates. should I rent out a vps and (try) to get the code compiled for the sake of helping?
there is a need for delegates, ideally they would be 101 individuals with standing and technical experience in the community trusted to (1) not screw the system and (2) maintain/pay for their node.
to do it see:
https://github.com/BitShares/bitshares_toolkit/wiki/DPOS-initial-delegate-setup
To be a delegate you just need to:
1) pay to be a delegate (set up an account, give it some BTS, register the account, register the account as a delegate)
2) set "wallet_enable_delegate_block_production $ACCOUNT true"
3) UNLOCK YOUR WALLET and keep it unlocked!!!! set a long time out (that was my mistake at first)
4) somewhat optional, but nice to do:
network_set_advanced_node_parameters {"desired_number_of_connections":50, "maximum_number_of_connections":200}
benefits: you get a share of the transaction fees (pay_rate*10/101*transaction_fees_per_day)
costs: maintaining a vps, having to be on top of things
in theory, you should campaign and be well known. In practice, for now, it is dominated by the big accounts giving themselves a large number of delegate spots.
how much does it cost?
would it really really help, or will this unique delegate problem hammer itself out in no time?
my campaign platform would be: "I don't really give a shit if you vote for me, I'm just trying to help."
how much does it cost?
would it really really help, or will this unique delegate problem hammer itself out in no time?
my campaign platform would be: "I don't really give a shit if you vote for me, I'm just trying to help."
right now, 17 BTSX to become a delegate. You don't need anything too fancy for the vps at the moment - $10-30/month?
There are ~1000 other delegates out there, so you have to weigh the possibility of being elected to the top 101 with the cost of being a delegate.
If one delegate is beginning to prove his marketing efforts it will pressure the others to do the same.if it is easy for delegates to see who voted for them, why won't each voter gradually drift toward the delegates that give them the highest immediate cash in return, even off-chain? this seems like an existential threat to the system, it dampens the idea that DPOS will be a force of nature, and weakens the power of decentralization by vote.https://bitsharestalk.org/index.php?topic=5868.msg78966#msg78966
POW has the same problem. We should ban "pay back delegates". It is not perfect but it works for Bitcoin. There are also no pay back mining pools.
I think it might not be a problem if all shareholders that vote are educated enough that such voting behaviour harms their assets / the network they own and that (probably by far) is a bigger loss on average than the tiny gains through paid back tx fees. That is how I think about it right now. But please feel free to discuss it! I tried to spark of a solid discussion there but no one really talks about it...
you should only ban what you can enforce. Can you really enforce a no-pay? Whats to stop people from paying for "marketing" and it goes to a mass sender going out to their secret backers?
I meant a "soft ban" = discussing it, educating people that the personal benefits for them are tiny but the potential harm to the network can be big which harms them a lot as they are shareholders. "Ban" is maybe not the right word. More something like a "social ban". This seems to be against crypto principles but the byzantine generals problems has not been solved by anyone in the space yet. POW, POS and DPOS all have the potential for centralization and it can not be avoided solely by technical means (up to now, lets see).
The problem with a "social ban" is you leave the option to pay for votes only to users already willing to ignore the social norms. So you take away the quite useful tool of compensating your supporters from those who are willing to follow your rules, which makes it harder for "good" actors to succeed.
So again, I'd really discourage the "banning" of tactics that are actually able to be banned, and don't rely on people following rules. Good people will follow rules to their detriment, bad people will ignore the rules because nothing makes them stop and they'll have an easier time onboarding support because they have a tool in their arsenal those following the rules do not.
The problem with a "social ban" is you leave the option to pay for votes only to users already willing to ignore the social norms. So you take away the quite useful tool of compensating your supporters from those who are willing to follow your rules, which makes it harder for "good" actors to succeed.I did not quite get that paragraph.
only to users already willing to ignore the social normsthat would still decrease the number of those who vote for pay back delegates.
the quite useful tool of compensating your supportersIf you look at the system as a whole it is not a useful tool to compensate those who vote for you.
how much does it cost?
would it really really help, or will this unique delegate problem hammer itself out in no time?
my campaign platform would be: "I don't really give a shit if you vote for me, I'm just trying to help."
right now, 17 BTSX to become a delegate. You don't need anything too fancy for the vps at the moment - $10-30/month?
There are ~1000 other delegates out there, so you have to weigh the possibility of being elected to the top 101 with the cost of being a delegate.
so you're saying there are plenty of unique delegates out there, they just haven't been voted in yet?
how much does it cost?
would it really really help, or will this unique delegate problem hammer itself out in no time?
my campaign platform would be: "I don't really give a shit if you vote for me, I'm just trying to help."
right now, 17 BTSX to become a delegate. You don't need anything too fancy for the vps at the moment - $10-30/month?
There are ~1000 other delegates out there, so you have to weigh the possibility of being elected to the top 101 with the cost of being a delegate.
so you're saying there are plenty of unique delegates out there, they just haven't been voted in yet?
Yes, it appears that a few people with lots of BTSX are voting in all of their aliases, so they keep all the fees for themselves (thus the title of the thread).
We want 100 unique individuals, but obviously there are not 100 qualified candidates right now. Show me a list with 101 unique individuals ready to operate nodes and I will vote for them all in a minute.
Right now the system is young and is already more decentralized that bitcoin & Ripple.
You are entirely too quick to judge. Look at the DIRECTION it is moving and not where it is. It started out 100% centralized... now you are complaining about 5 people with about 7% control each? And then insinuate that we want centralization? ::)
how much does it cost?
would it really really help, or will this unique delegate problem hammer itself out in no time?
my campaign platform would be: "I don't really give a shit if you vote for me, I'm just trying to help."
right now, 17 BTSX to become a delegate. You don't need anything too fancy for the vps at the moment - $10-30/month?
There are ~1000 other delegates out there, so you have to weigh the possibility of being elected to the top 101 with the cost of being a delegate.
EDIT: Either way, it's probably also good to learn about the delegates out there and vote for the "good" ones. And educate others about the "good" ones.
how much does it cost?
would it really really help, or will this unique delegate problem hammer itself out in no time?
my campaign platform would be: "I don't really give a shit if you vote for me, I'm just trying to help."
right now, 17 BTSX to become a delegate. You don't need anything too fancy for the vps at the moment - $10-30/month?
There are ~1000 other delegates out there, so you have to weigh the possibility of being elected to the top 101 with the cost of being a delegate.
EDIT: Either way, it's probably also good to learn about the delegates out there and vote for the "good" ones. And educate others about the "good" ones.
It seems the instructions actually work!! I'm a bit shocked that everything is working as instructed after a previous experience spending a week or 2 getting the Bitcoin to compile with all it's libraries etc....
seems I'm just missing BTSX to become a delegate now. I got ubuntu working and wallet created etc...but can't register my delegate due to no BTSX. I only have some on Bter and can't withdraw.
Anyone know when we will be able to withdraw BTSX on Bter?
Hate to ask....but....Bytemaster can you register my delegate account with the native_pubkey that shows from wallet_account_list_public_keys ??
account: xxxxxxxxx
public key: XTS76TAEgPBhGNfgkfNjPmzEu31a2kGqYUL2umUFZaSYWi1R57CiV
how much does it cost?
would it really really help, or will this unique delegate problem hammer itself out in no time?
my campaign platform would be: "I don't really give a shit if you vote for me, I'm just trying to help."
right now, 17 BTSX to become a delegate. You don't need anything too fancy for the vps at the moment - $10-30/month?
There are ~1000 other delegates out there, so you have to weigh the possibility of being elected to the top 101 with the cost of being a delegate.
EDIT: Either way, it's probably also good to learn about the delegates out there and vote for the "good" ones. And educate others about the "good" ones.
It seems the instructions actually work!! I'm a bit shocked that everything is working as instructed after a previous experience spending a week or 2 getting the Bitcoin to compile with all it's libraries etc....
seems I'm just missing BTSX to become a delegate now. I got ubuntu working and wallet created etc...but can't register my delegate due to no BTSX. I only have some on Bter and can't withdraw.
Anyone know when we will be able to withdraw BTSX on Bter?
Hate to ask....but....Bytemaster can you register my delegate account with the native_pubkey that shows from wallet_account_list_public_keys ??
account: delegate-galt
public key: XTS76TAEgPBhGNfgkfNjPmzEu31a2kGqYUL2umUFZaSYWi1R57CiV
how much does it cost?
would it really really help, or will this unique delegate problem hammer itself out in no time?
my campaign platform would be: "I don't really give a shit if you vote for me, I'm just trying to help."
right now, 17 BTSX to become a delegate. You don't need anything too fancy for the vps at the moment - $10-30/month?
There are ~1000 other delegates out there, so you have to weigh the possibility of being elected to the top 101 with the cost of being a delegate.
EDIT: Either way, it's probably also good to learn about the delegates out there and vote for the "good" ones. And educate others about the "good" ones.
It seems the instructions actually work!! I'm a bit shocked that everything is working as instructed after a previous experience spending a week or 2 getting the Bitcoin to compile with all it's libraries etc....
seems I'm just missing BTSX to become a delegate now. I got ubuntu working and wallet created etc...but can't register my delegate due to no BTSX. I only have some on Bter and can't withdraw.
Anyone know when we will be able to withdraw BTSX on Bter?
Hate to ask....but....Bytemaster can you register my delegate account with the native_pubkey that shows from wallet_account_list_public_keys ??
account: delegate-galt
public key: XTS76TAEgPBhGNfgkfNjPmzEu31a2kGqYUL2umUFZaSYWi1R57CiV
how much does it cost?
would it really really help, or will this unique delegate problem hammer itself out in no time?
my campaign platform would be: "I don't really give a shit if you vote for me, I'm just trying to help."
right now, 17 BTSX to become a delegate. You don't need anything too fancy for the vps at the moment - $10-30/month?
There are ~1000 other delegates out there, so you have to weigh the possibility of being elected to the top 101 with the cost of being a delegate.
EDIT: Either way, it's probably also good to learn about the delegates out there and vote for the "good" ones. And educate others about the "good" ones.
It seems the instructions actually work!! I'm a bit shocked that everything is working as instructed after a previous experience spending a week or 2 getting the Bitcoin to compile with all it's libraries etc....
seems I'm just missing BTSX to become a delegate now. I got ubuntu working and wallet created etc...but can't register my delegate due to no BTSX. I only have some on Bter and can't withdraw.
Anyone know when we will be able to withdraw BTSX on Bter?
Hate to ask....but....Bytemaster can you register my delegate account with the native_pubkey that shows from wallet_account_list_public_keys ??
account: xxxxxxxxxxxxx
public key: XTS76TAEgPBhGNfgkfNjPmzEu31a2kGqYUL2umUFZaSYWi1R57CiV
Galt, I would gladly do that for you, but my funds are not accessible until tomorrow. Note: It is best not to reveal your public key and desired name publicly least someone attempt to take the name.
how much does it cost?
would it really really help, or will this unique delegate problem hammer itself out in no time?
my campaign platform would be: "I don't really give a shit if you vote for me, I'm just trying to help."
right now, 17 BTSX to become a delegate. You don't need anything too fancy for the vps at the moment - $10-30/month?
There are ~1000 other delegates out there, so you have to weigh the possibility of being elected to the top 101 with the cost of being a delegate.
EDIT: Either way, it's probably also good to learn about the delegates out there and vote for the "good" ones. And educate others about the "good" ones.
It seems the instructions actually work!! I'm a bit shocked that everything is working as instructed after a previous experience spending a week or 2 getting the Bitcoin to compile with all it's libraries etc....
seems I'm just missing BTSX to become a delegate now. I got ubuntu working and wallet created etc...but can't register my delegate due to no BTSX. I only have some on Bter and can't withdraw.
Anyone know when we will be able to withdraw BTSX on Bter?
Hate to ask....but....Bytemaster can you register my delegate account with the native_pubkey that shows from wallet_account_list_public_keys ??
account: delegate-galt
public key: XTS76TAEgPBhGNfgkfNjPmzEu31a2kGqYUL2umUFZaSYWi1R57CiV
Do you need some still? I will send you some to register.
Sent it to your john-galt account. 17BTShow much does it cost?
would it really really help, or will this unique delegate problem hammer itself out in no time?
my campaign platform would be: "I don't really give a shit if you vote for me, I'm just trying to help."
right now, 17 BTSX to become a delegate. You don't need anything too fancy for the vps at the moment - $10-30/month?
There are ~1000 other delegates out there, so you have to weigh the possibility of being elected to the top 101 with the cost of being a delegate.
EDIT: Either way, it's probably also good to learn about the delegates out there and vote for the "good" ones. And educate others about the "good" ones.
It seems the instructions actually work!! I'm a bit shocked that everything is working as instructed after a previous experience spending a week or 2 getting the Bitcoin to compile with all it's libraries etc....
seems I'm just missing BTSX to become a delegate now. I got ubuntu working and wallet created etc...but can't register my delegate due to no BTSX. I only have some on Bter and can't withdraw.
Anyone know when we will be able to withdraw BTSX on Bter?
Hate to ask....but....Bytemaster can you register my delegate account with the native_pubkey that shows from wallet_account_list_public_keys ??
account: delegate-galt
public key: XTS76TAEgPBhGNfgkfNjPmzEu31a2kGqYUL2umUFZaSYWi1R57CiV
Do you need some still? I will send you some to register.
Yes I do. I am good for it I promise. :)
Senthow much does it cost?
would it really really help, or will this unique delegate problem hammer itself out in no time?
my campaign platform would be: "I don't really give a shit if you vote for me, I'm just trying to help."
right now, 17 BTSX to become a delegate. You don't need anything too fancy for the vps at the moment - $10-30/month?
There are ~1000 other delegates out there, so you have to weigh the possibility of being elected to the top 101 with the cost of being a delegate.
EDIT: Either way, it's probably also good to learn about the delegates out there and vote for the "good" ones. And educate others about the "good" ones.
It seems the instructions actually work!! I'm a bit shocked that everything is working as instructed after a previous experience spending a week or 2 getting the Bitcoin to compile with all it's libraries etc....
seems I'm just missing BTSX to become a delegate now. I got ubuntu working and wallet created etc...but can't register my delegate due to no BTSX. I only have some on Bter and can't withdraw.
Anyone know when we will be able to withdraw BTSX on Bter?
Hate to ask....but....Bytemaster can you register my delegate account with the native_pubkey that shows from wallet_account_list_public_keys ??
account: delegate-galt
public key: XTS76TAEgPBhGNfgkfNjPmzEu31a2kGqYUL2umUFZaSYWi1R57CiV
Do you need some still? I will send you some to register.
Yes I do. I am good for it I promise. :)
Due to low voter turn out our stake is enough to be "king maker" until more people bring their stake on line. The only qualification I am looking for right now is someone who has made a public attempt to engage the community and recrute votes. If someone wants to be a delegate and cannot get the votes then contact me and you will be put in.
That said, if I vote for someone who doesn't perform then I remove my vote and select someone else.
I would love to just remove my stake and let others decide, but there is at least one actor out there with 1.5% of the stake whom I do not trust based upon their attempt to leverage the good names of people in the crypto-community to get votes.
So if someone wants to help increase decentralization then I will vote them in. None of the delegates that are in right now are there solely because they voted for themselves. They are there mostly because I have bumped them with ~3% of the vote from the PTS Angel address.
Galt,
Yes. Do it soon. I paid 7 BTS yesterday to register, so the price may go up. :)
Galt,
Yes. Do it soon. I paid 7 BTS yesterday to register, so the price may go up. :)
Okay, just not sure how to send it to my delegate account that isn't registered yet.
Galt,
Yes. Do it soon. I paid 7 BTS yesterday to register, so the price may go up. :)
Okay, just not sure how to send it to my delegate account that isn't registered yet.
wallet_add_contact_account <account name> <public key>
When I tried to add that key you posted it threw an error though.
Galt,
Yes. Do it soon. I paid 7 BTS yesterday to register, so the price may go up. :)
Okay, just not sure how to send it to my delegate account that isn't registered yet.
wallet_add_contact_account <account name> <public key>
When I tried to add that key you posted it threw an error though.
Yeah, I got 10 assert exception.
base58str.substr( 0, prefix_len ) == BTS_ADDRESS_PREFIX:
{"base58str":"XTS76TAEgPBhGNfgkfNjPmzEu31a2kGqYUL2umUFZaSYWi1R57CiV"}
bitshares types.cpp:22 public_key_type part of the error leads me to believe that the key is not valid. I would double check it if I was you. If that doesn't work delete that local account (on your linux box) and create a new one.
BTSX76TAEgPBhGNfgkfNjPmzEu31a2kGqYUL2umUFZaSYWi1R57CiV adds just fine. Not sure if thats your key though.
Tryyes, it gives me my account with the key: XTS6v4boE6wB42Lp21tiFZRUc5kDq21UHFKXEhBf9EUJm1dvBNu8q
wallet_list_my_accounts
does it give you anything?
I don't think that's the right set of keys. Try a wallet _ list _ my _ accounts on your Linux box and get the key that way. It should start with BTSX not XTS.BTSX76TAEgPBhGNfgkfNjPmzEu31a2kGqYUL2umUFZaSYWi1R57CiV adds just fine. Not sure if thats your key though.
Not anymore. blew that away. Now I have: XTS6v4boE6wB42Lp21tiFZRUc5kDq21UHFKXEhBf9EUJm1dvBNu8q
which I also can't add.
you are on the current build?
if all else fails, just register on your windows and then import the private key.
That might merge the two though.
you are on the current build?
if all else fails, just register on your windows and then import the private key.
That might merge the two though.
I used: https://github.com/dacsunlimited/bitsharesx/blob/master/BUILD_UBUNTU.md
git clone https://github.com/bitshares/bitshares_toolkit.git
cd bitshares_toolkit with git clone https://github.com/dacsunlimited/bitsharesx.git
cd bitsharesx
git checkout 0.2.1
you are on the current build?
if all else fails, just register on your windows and then import the private key.
That might merge the two though.
I used: https://github.com/dacsunlimited/bitsharesx/blob/master/BUILD_UBUNTU.md
wallet_list_my_accounts shows: XTS6v4boE6wB42Lp21tiFZRUc5kDq21UHFKXEhBf9EUJm1dvBNu8q as the key.
you are on the current build?
if all else fails, just register on your windows and then import the private key.
That might merge the two though.
I used: https://github.com/dacsunlimited/bitsharesx/blob/master/BUILD_UBUNTU.md
Yeah those instructions are no longer correct. replaceCode: [Select]git clone https://github.com/bitshares/bitshares_toolkit.gitwith
cd bitshares_toolkitCode: [Select]git clone https://github.com/dacsunlimited/bitsharesx.git
cd bitsharesx
git checkout 0.2.1
Exactly. Love the pun.
Everything else is the same.
Git submodule init
Git submodule update
Cmake .
Make
As this is building I ponder the fact that the I3 "partnered" with a Hong Kong organization to launch this and am just wondering....and assuming....that running a delegate is okay here in the U.S.?? LOL
Not that I am looking for legal advice or anything...LOL
(who would have thought that THIS was how they would finally get me!)
Due to low voter turn out our stake is enough to be "king maker" until more people bring their stake on line. The only qualification I am looking for right now is someone who has made a public attempt to engage the community and recrute votes. If someone wants to be a delegate and cannot get the votes then contact me and you will be put in.
That said, if I vote for someone who doesn't perform then I remove my vote and select someone else.
I would love to just remove my stake and let others decide, but there is at least one actor out there with 1.5% of the stake whom I do not trust based upon their attempt to leverage the good names of people in the crypto-community to get votes.
So if someone wants to help increase decentralization then I will vote them in. None of the delegates that are in right now are there solely because they voted for themselves. They are there mostly because I have bumped them with ~3% of the vote from the PTS Angel address.
Now that I have "registered", how do I register as a delegate?
BTSX76TAEgPBhGNfgkfNjPmzEu31a2kGqYUL2umUFZaSYWi1R57CiV adds just fine. Not sure if thats your key though.
Not anymore. blew that away. Now I have: XTS6v4boE6wB42Lp21tiFZRUc5kDq21UHFKXEhBf9EUJm1dvBNu8q
which I also can't add.
BTSX76TAEgPBhGNfgkfNjPmzEu31a2kGqYUL2umUFZaSYWi1R57CiV adds just fine. Not sure if thats your key though.
Not anymore. blew that away. Now I have: XTS6v4boE6wB42Lp21tiFZRUc5kDq21UHFKXEhBf9EUJm1dvBNu8q
which I also can't add.
Looks like you built from the test network code (XTS prefix) and not the dacsunlimited code (BTSX prefix)
That isn't including any of the initial delegates. And there are still 26 of those. So 6 entities control well over half the delegates.
Maybe you guys want it that way?
This is not looking very decentralized. Especially to any newcomers.
We want 100 unique individuals, but obviously there are not 100 qualified candidates right now. Show me a list with 101 unique individuals ready to operate nodes and I will vote for them all in a minute.
Right now the system is young and is already more decentralized that bitcoin & Ripple.
You are entirely too quick to judge. Look at the DIRECTION it is moving and not where it is. It started out 100% centralized... now you are complaining about 5 people with about 7% control each? And then insinuate that we want centralization? ::)
That isn't including any of the initial delegates. And there are still 26 of those. So 6 entities control well over half the delegates.
Maybe you guys want it that way?
This is not looking very decentralized. Especially to any newcomers.
We want 100 unique individuals, but obviously there are not 100 qualified candidates right now. Show me a list with 101 unique individuals ready to operate nodes and I will vote for them all in a minute.
Right now the system is young and is already more decentralized that bitcoin & Ripple.
You are entirely too quick to judge. Look at the DIRECTION it is moving and not where it is. It started out 100% centralized... now you are complaining about 5 people with about 7% control each? And then insinuate that we want centralization? ::)
I have no delegates in top101. I'm ready to operate a node.
You may try voting in some of the delegate(s) hosted by me:
emski
angel-delegate
lotto-delegate
immortal
They have dedicated hardware. Backup internet connection. UPS. SSD.
They proved reliable during dry runs.
That isn't including any of the initial delegates. And there are still 26 of those. So 6 entities control well over half the delegates.
Maybe you guys want it that way?
This is not looking very decentralized. Especially to any newcomers.
We want 100 unique individuals, but obviously there are not 100 qualified candidates right now. Show me a list with 101 unique individuals ready to operate nodes and I will vote for them all in a minute.
Right now the system is young and is already more decentralized that bitcoin & Ripple.
You are entirely too quick to judge. Look at the DIRECTION it is moving and not where it is. It started out 100% centralized... now you are complaining about 5 people with about 7% control each? And then insinuate that we want centralization? ::)
I have no delegates in top101. I'm ready to operate a node.
You may try voting in some of the delegate(s) hosted by me:
emski
angel-delegate
lotto-delegate
immortal
They have dedicated hardware. Backup internet connection. UPS. SSD.
They proved reliable during dry runs.
I have one delegate and I can't get into the top 101 either. Paying good money for it. Probably cancel it later today.
It seems to be ironic that there is a need for unique qualified delegates but there is no way verify the uniqueness or qualifications of any delegate. So I sense a hesitancy to vote for people that aren't already "in".
That isn't including any of the initial delegates. And there are still 26 of those. So 6 entities control well over half the delegates.
Maybe you guys want it that way?
This is not looking very decentralized. Especially to any newcomers.
We want 100 unique individuals, but obviously there are not 100 qualified candidates right now. Show me a list with 101 unique individuals ready to operate nodes and I will vote for them all in a minute.
Right now the system is young and is already more decentralized that bitcoin & Ripple.
You are entirely too quick to judge. Look at the DIRECTION it is moving and not where it is. It started out 100% centralized... now you are complaining about 5 people with about 7% control each? And then insinuate that we want centralization? ::)
I have no delegates in top101. I'm ready to operate a node.
You may try voting in some of the delegate(s) hosted by me:
emski
angel-delegate
lotto-delegate
immortal
They have dedicated hardware. Backup internet connection. UPS. SSD.
They proved reliable during dry runs.
I have one delegate and I can't get into the top 101 either. Paying good money for it. Probably cancel it later today.
It seems to be ironic that there is a need for unique qualified delegates but there is no way verify the uniqueness or qualifications of any delegate. So I sense a hesitancy to vote for people that aren't already "in".
Greg what was your delegate ID? I'll vote for you.
That isn't including any of the initial delegates. And there are still 26 of those. So 6 entities control well over half the delegates.
Maybe you guys want it that way?
This is not looking very decentralized. Especially to any newcomers.
We want 100 unique individuals, but obviously there are not 100 qualified candidates right now. Show me a list with 101 unique individuals ready to operate nodes and I will vote for them all in a minute.
Right now the system is young and is already more decentralized that bitcoin & Ripple.
You are entirely too quick to judge. Look at the DIRECTION it is moving and not where it is. It started out 100% centralized... now you are complaining about 5 people with about 7% control each? And then insinuate that we want centralization? ::)
I have no delegates in top101. I'm ready to operate a node.
You may try voting in some of the delegate(s) hosted by me:
emski
angel-delegate
lotto-delegate
immortal
They have dedicated hardware. Backup internet connection. UPS. SSD.
They proved reliable during dry runs.
I have one delegate and I can't get into the top 101 either. Paying good money for it. Probably cancel it later today.
It seems to be ironic that there is a need for unique qualified delegates but there is no way verify the uniqueness or qualifications of any delegate. So I sense a hesitancy to vote for people that aren't already "in".
Greg what was your delegate ID? I'll vote for you.
That isn't including any of the initial delegates. And there are still 26 of those. So 6 entities control well over half the delegates.
Maybe you guys want it that way?
This is not looking very decentralized. Especially to any newcomers.
We want 100 unique individuals, but obviously there are not 100 qualified candidates right now. Show me a list with 101 unique individuals ready to operate nodes and I will vote for them all in a minute.
Right now the system is young and is already more decentralized that bitcoin & Ripple.
You are entirely too quick to judge. Look at the DIRECTION it is moving and not where it is. It started out 100% centralized... now you are complaining about 5 people with about 7% control each? And then insinuate that we want centralization? ::)
I have no delegates in top101. I'm ready to operate a node.
You may try voting in some of the delegate(s) hosted by me:
emski
angel-delegate
lotto-delegate
immortal
They have dedicated hardware. Backup internet connection. UPS. SSD.
They proved reliable during dry runs.
I have one delegate and I can't get into the top 101 either. Paying good money for it. Probably cancel it later today.
It seems to be ironic that there is a need for unique qualified delegates but there is no way verify the uniqueness or qualifications of any delegate. So I sense a hesitancy to vote for people that aren't already "in".
Greg what was your delegate ID? I'll vote for you.
skyscraperfarms
Thanks!
There are some delegates not producing any blocks at right now.
Can you, Bytemaster, swap scroodge for one of them, I worked quite well during dry runs?
I will try to get some polish folks in, with incentives from delegate's paycheck.
It seems to be ironic that there is a need for unique qualified delegates but there is no way verify the uniqueness or qualifications of any delegate. So I sense a hesitancy to vote for people that aren't already "in".
delegate1-galt is not registered on the network.
I voted for you galt. Sadly (or not depending on how you look at it) it would take roughly 10000 times my stake level to elect you.
I voted for you galt. Sadly (or not depending on how you look at it) it would take roughly 10000 times my stake level to elect you.
delegate1-galt is that you?
I voted for you galt. Sadly (or not depending on how you look at it) it would take roughly 10000 times my stake level to elect you.
Strangely my wallet reports your account is not registered as a delegate, just a regular user.
It seems to be ironic that there is a need for unique qualified delegates but there is no way verify the uniqueness or qualifications of any delegate. So I sense a hesitancy to vote for people that aren't already "in".
that is our, as delegates and users, responsibility.
See:
https://bitsharestalk.org/index.php?topic=5933
https://bitsharestalk.org/index.php?board=61.0
I voted for you galt. Sadly (or not depending on how you look at it) it would take roughly 10000 times my stake level to elect you.
Voted you back! Mine is probably worth much less than yours but thanks for your help. I want to make sure there are alternatives in the event we have rogue or unethical delegates. I just want to help. I also run TOR relay(s).
I live/work "up the road" from Invictus in Northern Virginia and am more than willing to provide my personal contact info to them to verify who i am and my intentions.
Do I need to open port 41789 ? I saw something listening for p2p connections on that port.
I voted for you galt. Sadly (or not depending on how you look at it) it would take roughly 10000 times my stake level to elect you.
Voted you back! Mine is probably worth much less than yours but thanks for your help. I want to make sure there are alternatives in the event we have rogue or unethical delegates. I just want to help. I also run TOR relay(s).
I live/work "up the road" from Invictus in Northern Virginia and am more than willing to provide my personal contact info to them to verify who i am and my intentions.
Do I need to open port 41789 ? I saw something listening for p2p connections on that port.
The ports with these high numbers are due to the automatic upnp.