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An update: I now have found a proper provider on which to run beyond bitcoin delegates and I will be learning over thr course of his week the best practices for doing so. At that point, we will be setting up sessions for non tehcies to learn the basics.
Quote from: Gentso1 on August 24, 2014, 07:03:55 pmQuote from: soniq on August 24, 2014, 03:28:43 pmQuote from: Gentso1 on August 24, 2014, 02:35:18 pmQuote from: Riverhead on August 22, 2014, 06:40:08 pmQuote from: fuznuts on August 22, 2014, 02:27:00 pmSpoke to rivrhead about it last night and it seems it should be any more difficult than cloud mining pts was.It's actually exactly the same. Get a host, build the CLI client, open/unlock your delegate wallet and make sure block production is turned on.After that it's just tuning: Number of max/desired connections, some iptables (firewall) and sshd setup to lock things down a bit and Bob's your uncle, you're a delegate candidate.Is there a link to a step by step guide?http://wiki.bitshares.org/index.php/Bitshares-x-how-toThats a link on how to create a account, I am asking if their is a how to on setting up a server for running a delegate.oops. wrong link, this is the right one http://wiki.bitshares.org/index.php/BitShares_X_Delegate_How-To
Quote from: soniq on August 24, 2014, 03:28:43 pmQuote from: Gentso1 on August 24, 2014, 02:35:18 pmQuote from: Riverhead on August 22, 2014, 06:40:08 pmQuote from: fuznuts on August 22, 2014, 02:27:00 pmSpoke to rivrhead about it last night and it seems it should be any more difficult than cloud mining pts was.It's actually exactly the same. Get a host, build the CLI client, open/unlock your delegate wallet and make sure block production is turned on.After that it's just tuning: Number of max/desired connections, some iptables (firewall) and sshd setup to lock things down a bit and Bob's your uncle, you're a delegate candidate.Is there a link to a step by step guide?http://wiki.bitshares.org/index.php/Bitshares-x-how-toThats a link on how to create a account, I am asking if their is a how to on setting up a server for running a delegate.
Quote from: Gentso1 on August 24, 2014, 02:35:18 pmQuote from: Riverhead on August 22, 2014, 06:40:08 pmQuote from: fuznuts on August 22, 2014, 02:27:00 pmSpoke to rivrhead about it last night and it seems it should be any more difficult than cloud mining pts was.It's actually exactly the same. Get a host, build the CLI client, open/unlock your delegate wallet and make sure block production is turned on.After that it's just tuning: Number of max/desired connections, some iptables (firewall) and sshd setup to lock things down a bit and Bob's your uncle, you're a delegate candidate.Is there a link to a step by step guide?http://wiki.bitshares.org/index.php/Bitshares-x-how-to
Quote from: Riverhead on August 22, 2014, 06:40:08 pmQuote from: fuznuts on August 22, 2014, 02:27:00 pmSpoke to rivrhead about it last night and it seems it should be any more difficult than cloud mining pts was.It's actually exactly the same. Get a host, build the CLI client, open/unlock your delegate wallet and make sure block production is turned on.After that it's just tuning: Number of max/desired connections, some iptables (firewall) and sshd setup to lock things down a bit and Bob's your uncle, you're a delegate candidate.Is there a link to a step by step guide?
Quote from: fuznuts on August 22, 2014, 02:27:00 pmSpoke to rivrhead about it last night and it seems it should be any more difficult than cloud mining pts was.It's actually exactly the same. Get a host, build the CLI client, open/unlock your delegate wallet and make sure block production is turned on.After that it's just tuning: Number of max/desired connections, some iptables (firewall) and sshd setup to lock things down a bit and Bob's your uncle, you're a delegate candidate.
Spoke to rivrhead about it last night and it seems it should be any more difficult than cloud mining pts was.
Quote from: fuznuts on August 22, 2014, 05:48:31 amI am interested in knowing how many people are wanting to take part in a Google Hangout with screensharing so people can see precisely how to do it. We will post it to the BeyondBitcoin Channel on Youtube and to the BeyondBitcoin SubForum.that would be awesome!
I am interested in knowing how many people are wanting to take part in a Google Hangout with screensharing so people can see precisely how to do it. We will post it to the BeyondBitcoin Channel on Youtube and to the BeyondBitcoin SubForum.
Quote from: fuznuts on August 22, 2014, 05:48:31 amI am interested in knowing how many people are wanting to take part in a Google Hangout with screensharing so people can see precisely how to do it. We will post it to the BeyondBitcoin Channel on Youtube and to the BeyondBitcoin SubForum.Is there any background knowledge required? I woud love to be able to setup and run my own delegate instead of relying on a service.Can you give us any idea of the the difficulty level ?
Quote from: fuznuts on August 22, 2014, 05:48:31 amI am interested in knowing how many people are wanting to take part in a Google Hangout with screensharing so people can see precisely how to do it. We will post it to the BeyondBitcoin Channel on Youtube and to the BeyondBitcoin SubForum.hands up
Quote from: RejectKid on August 13, 2014, 11:42:30 pmTotally missed the gun when this went live, I was real into PTS when it started but life got at me. just saw BTSX went live. how/what do i need to do to become a delegate? and what is the benefit for people making me a delegate and benefit for me? sorry if this is noob question. feel free to point me in right direction :-)Same here. I'm really interested and curious and would really like to know more about this. Would really appreciate a Delegates 101 kind of thread, explaining the how to's, what is needed, what it is, duties and responsibilities, costs it might have, etc, etc
Totally missed the gun when this went live, I was real into PTS when it started but life got at me. just saw BTSX went live. how/what do i need to do to become a delegate? and what is the benefit for people making me a delegate and benefit for me? sorry if this is noob question. feel free to point me in right direction :-)
Quote from: asenski on June 13, 2014, 02:53:11 amI'll admit I have not joined the effort as a delegate. However I would be interested in joining with the intention of building tools that make it easier for non-technical folks.Also I'm thinking about ability to do nice monitoring features too - e.g. "is my node alive and well?"What I would suggest is for Bytemaster to setup a node in AWS (Amazon Web Services) and make an image that then is easy to configure for each delegate.Then all a delegate needs to do is fire up an instance with that public image, and then configuration of a private key should be MUCH easier, than trying to compile the whole thing from scratch.Just my 2 cents. That's how I would go about it.I agree that is where things should go.
I'll admit I have not joined the effort as a delegate. However I would be interested in joining with the intention of building tools that make it easier for non-technical folks.Also I'm thinking about ability to do nice monitoring features too - e.g. "is my node alive and well?"What I would suggest is for Bytemaster to setup a node in AWS (Amazon Web Services) and make an image that then is easy to configure for each delegate.Then all a delegate needs to do is fire up an instance with that public image, and then configuration of a private key should be MUCH easier, than trying to compile the whole thing from scratch.Just my 2 cents. That's how I would go about it.
Im looking for a link I seen earlier on how to setup a delegate, cant seem to find now. Can you point me in right direction?Also is it profitable right now to become a delegate? is there a break even point so far from existing delgates ?It is not particularly profitable. Profit will come laterAm I helping the network by keeping my bitsharesx wallet open?This is a good question. I am guessing, but likely an open wallet is only to allow user interaction.Is there any other advantages to becoming a delegate other than supporting the network?Future potential is immense.I am interested in creatign a delegate, but do not have the technical expertiseI have decided against running as one. It requires a little time etc that I do not have. I'm still willing to help out anyone who I've previously discussed this with.Cheers
I am a non-tech.I have a question of some concern regarding this thread. Will it be possible to be a delegate if one is travelling frequently with only a laptop in his possession? Presumably the laptop would be off at least during plane flights and possibly longer.
Maybe dumb, but if you're short of delegates, have you considered reaching out to the NXT community? If there's a profit incentive, maybe some of the people running NXT nodes may have the know how and the desire to become delegates if they're made aware of the opportunity.
Quote from: asenski on June 13, 2014, 02:53:11 amWhat I would suggest is for Bytemaster to setup a node in AWS (Amazon Web Services) and make an image that then is easy to configure for each delegate.Probably more simple solution (you don't need to know how to fire up EC2 instance from image) - just use Vagrant and the config files from this repo https://github.com/valzav/vagrant_bitshares_toolkitBasically after installing Vagrant and specifying your AWS credentials you need to fire up a single command to configure instance and compile bitshares_toolkit on it:vagrant up --provider=awsIt also supports DigitalOcean or you can use your local VirtualBox VM to give it a try.
What I would suggest is for Bytemaster to setup a node in AWS (Amazon Web Services) and make an image that then is easy to configure for each delegate.
Fixed number of delegates is constraining the network with no scalability.
100 delegates seems a low number, and my gut feeling is that would be a good move to let more people have a chance of participating in the network in this way. I always assumed PoS to mean that everyone who wanted to would have a chance of participating / being rewarded for being in the network - but the PoS is currently limited to 100 delegates, right? (many of whom have spun up many VPS instances). I like the design with voting though, but limiting it to 100 seems top-heavy. Should the PoS not be a proportional system, with no upper limit on the number of delegates? This would have the effect of making it more distributed. I think more instructions are needed as a priority to make the process a little easier.
It seems to me that we still may have one nagging barrier to entry for delegates: technical know-how.I've noticed a few wistful postings on the delegate billboards indicating an interest in being a delegate "if it's not too hard" or "too fiddley".It seems to me that some of our best delegate candidates (those with the ability to grow the industry, advocate a vision, engender trust, and/or represent constituencies) may be shut out, intimidated, or just too busy to keep up with the technical side of things.I wonder if there are many who feel that way?I suppose one solution might be to partner with a geek and become a formidable winning Delegate together.Is anyone else thinking along this line? Other concerns or ideas?
Correct me if I'm wrong but a delegate's job is to sign messages. Nothing less, nothing more. A cell phone could do that. My point is a micro instance can totally do it, and it costs like what $15/mo? AWS instance would be much more likely to be always on, compared to my home internet, which goes out once in awhile.Another reason I offer AWS is because it is extremely easy for someone to create an image, that then others can just fire up, may be edit a single file and reboot. This discussion is about bringing non-technical delegates on-board. Even if it is just 5 lines, it's never that simple, unless you use the exact same version for everything. Even then, sometimes you do an update and you get the wrong library linking mixed up, stuff doesn't compile. I'm advanced user so I can recover from these things, but it is very discouraging for the non-technical fellas.
Delegate positions will be far more significant roles than is yet foreseen in the minds of men.https://bitsharestalk.org/index.php?topic=4821.msg62779#msg62779
Sometimes they have TOS against "mining" FYI