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Please, dont. Paying him you are encouraging more people to shout and cry.
Quote from: TwoKoolFourSkewl on November 29, 2013, 01:57:57 amSure marketp2p, I have no problem if you want to take on Silfax's responsibilities. Send 44.89080537 protoshares to PqNMYYkjagWKaxShxpX4ussz7mkmcu7mpN and 0.0000463 bitcoin to 1KHzhFDZv7wzc95TCcGEkh4TrCLirbi5z7.I'll pay if: a) You stop whining about this on this forum. b) Silfax can confirm this is the correct amount he owes you. Also, I don't think paying 0.0000463 btc makes any sense because it's less than the required network transaction fee.
Sure marketp2p, I have no problem if you want to take on Silfax's responsibilities. Send 44.89080537 protoshares to PqNMYYkjagWKaxShxpX4ussz7mkmcu7mpN and 0.0000463 bitcoin to 1KHzhFDZv7wzc95TCcGEkh4TrCLirbi5z7.
I'll pay if:
Well said, bitshirehashaway. At this point, I don't believe this is a self-directed show made by silfax, I have to give him some credit in handling this situation. @TwoKoolFourSkewl: Money is not everything, please don't overplay your victim card. Put up your address, I'll pay for him, if that can make you shut up.
When the exchange closed there was a buy in for 300 PTS @ .009(2.7 BTC) and maybe 2 more buys for a total of around .05 BTC. There were several hundred PTS still on the board, I estimate 300-500. These are all now in Silfax hand along with all the profits made while the exchange was running.
How was I supposed to know that it got moved to bit-u? Wtf?
marketp2p - there was a notice to cancel your orders before withdrawing, but I see that your order is still there, so I'll send you a PM about you getting that back.
I was on coingrounds. Was that affected? I didn't notice the change from coingrounds to bit-u. Now it says bit-u is down. Can I log in with my coingrounds info? Or are they unrelated?
I felt like any theft from the site was a theft from all the users, not just the ones that happened to have their balance in BTC at the time, which was my reasoning in reimbursing everyone equally. I think that is more fair than the alternative.
Silfax, the money remaining is NOT YOURS. It is NOT up to you to determine how to divided up the remaining funds. By doing this, YOU ARE STEALING! You have no right to allocate those funds to pay back other people. You need to pay back everyone 100% out of your own pocket. If this takes you ten years, then so be it. You need to give everyone back their full protoshare balance. Then you need to make arrangements to pay everyone back for the "stolen" bitcoin. You are HACKING all of our protoshare balances to pay your liabilities. WHO DO YOUR CUSTOMERS GET TO STEAL FROM TO MAKE UP THEIR LOSSES?
marketp2p - there was a notice to cancel your orders before withdrawing, but I see that your order is still there, so I'll send you a PM about you getting that back.re: pts holders:I felt like any theft from the site was a theft from all the users, not just the ones that happened to have their balance in BTC at the time, which was my reasoning in reimbursing everyone equally. I think that is more fair than the alternative.
Anyway, I am going to step out of this dispute as I am not a party to it.
Quote from: TwoKoolFourSkewl on November 27, 2013, 12:55:29 amI find this very hard to believe. Who does business with someone without knowing their real name?Seems that you and everyone on this thread too, myself first
I find this very hard to believe. Who does business with someone without knowing their real name?
Quote I'm sure the people you know who know him know his first and last name. What is his first and last name?I checked and apparently they do not know this information. They have only done business with him in the past.
I'm sure the people you know who know him know his first and last name. What is his first and last name?
Quote from: bytemaster on November 26, 2013, 02:36:10 amQuote from: TwoKoolFourSkewl on November 26, 2013, 01:34:35 amBytemaster, please release the IP logs of Silfax's connections to the forum and provide us with his first and last name, skype username, and any other information you have.Amazon is the one who Admins this site. I will leave that for him to handle.Will you tell Amazon to pull those IP logs and post them here?The other day you said, "I have his Skype contact and know people who know him so do not suspect any intentional fraud." What is his skype username? I'm sure the people you know who know him know his first and last name. What is his first and last name?
Quote from: TwoKoolFourSkewl on November 26, 2013, 01:34:35 amBytemaster, please release the IP logs of Silfax's connections to the forum and provide us with his first and last name, skype username, and any other information you have.Amazon is the one who Admins this site. I will leave that for him to handle.
Bytemaster, please release the IP logs of Silfax's connections to the forum and provide us with his first and last name, skype username, and any other information you have.
Quote from: Silfax on November 25, 2013, 10:08:04 pmAt the going rate of about 0.012 (on cryptsy), with all of the funds that the exchange still has, we can afford to let everyone withdraw 58% of their total balances and orders.WHO THE HELL DO YOU THINK YOU ARE?SO YOU THINK YOU CAN JUST STEAL FROM YOUR CUSTOMERS TO PAY FOR YOUR MISTAKES?IF I DON'T GET 100% OF MY MONEY, I WILL FILE CRIMINAL CHARGES AGAINST YOU!Bytemaster, please release the IP logs of Silfax's connections to the forum and provide us with his first and last name, skype username, and any other information you have.
At the going rate of about 0.012 (on cryptsy), with all of the funds that the exchange still has, we can afford to let everyone withdraw 58% of their total balances and orders.
I've submitted for a withdrawal and I'm currently waiting for it. I'll update this when I see my PTS in my wallet.
My point of view: shit happens, and although this shit probably should not have happened the way it did, well, it's too late now. Bottom line, I am grateful for Silfax to have had the courage to stay, face all the anger, and deal with the situation as best as he could. I am very glad to at least get back 58% and will not whine for more. Imo this is probably the fairest solution that could be found under these circumstances, and I would not expect Silfax to pay for everyones losses out of his own pocket, if he even can. Most probably Silfax was stressed more by this than anyone else and had serious losses too. Surely everyone learned a lessons from this, and that may well be seen positively.
The PTS wasn't touched, so I still have access to that, and will return it to its owners; I'm thinking most likely to make it most fair that I convert everyone's balances to PTS, and then reimburse everyone as best I can with what's left.
How does he know what addresses to send payments to?
Do you think emailing abuse@nforce.com could help?
Access logs on the digitalocean account show that someone logged in from a Norway IP (that's not a TOR node), and a similar IP on the same subnet logged into the VM itself.The IPs that logged into the server were: 109.201.154.210, and .205, maybe a VPN, maybe someone's actual IP? I looked at the computer there, and apparently there is a Bitcoin node. If anyone feels like playing detective/hacker, please be my guest.
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Okay, so I still don't have all the details, but I can provide a bit more info.Our digital ocean VPS that was hosting the wallets got deleted randomly, and the billing information was removed, etc.Also, the BTC wallet transferred its contents out, but not from the application, seems that someone got access to the VM itself.Access logs on the digitalocean account show that someone logged in from a Norway IP (that's not a TOR node), and a similar IP on the same subnet logged into the VM itself.No idea who this was.My 'partner' was the only person with the password to this DO account, so either it was him, or his personal computer had a targeted key logger of some sort?It's all so odd - I've asked digital ocean for more info/logs, but they haven't gotten back yet.Maybe it was a disgruntled DO employee that saw bitcoin related traffic coming from the VM?The PTS wasn't touched, so I still have access to that, and will return it to its owners; I'm thinking most likely to make it most fair that I convert everyone's balances to PTS, and then reimburse everyone as best I can with what's left.38 BTC were taken, I traced the payments, and they are now here: https://blockchain.info/address/1AKvP3NUmJQsfWXkTg6ZczURatKgAb2Cuaand here:https://blockchain.info/address/16Z6e2qaxg84Kunk1wdT3pr94YJa2pSafRThe address that they went through is this one: https://blockchain.info/address/14wQsMaKWAmTHrEMKamnzCJxaewnFWP7Tgwhich also made a small payment (.01) the same day to this address: https://blockchain.info/address/15MJUSKnkbX3cprXfjNwAWsssTG59SXnvdwhich looks like someone's personal address, as it's been receiving and sending payments since February. If anyone can shed any light on that, please be my guest.The IPs that logged into the server were: 109.201.154.210, and .205, maybe a VPN, maybe someone's actual IP? I looked at the computer there, and apparently there is a Bitcoin node. If anyone feels like playing detective/hacker, please be my guest.I'm of course incredibly sorry that this happened, and not that it does much good at this point, but it was clearly signposted that this was a beta.If I learn more from DigitalOcean (which I should, because they are at the center of this problem) then I'll post back here.
(18:04) Silfax: I'm still here, just trying to figure out as much as possible before releasing a statement.