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I used to work in a payday loan place where I had to handle what (to me) was an awful lot of money. (I was a dough hoe)That dinky stack does not look like a million to me. It doesn't even look like 100,000. Even if it's all in hundreds.
For those of you who say this is not a multi trillion dollar industry. You are simply misinformed banking is exactly that, a multi trillion dollar industry. So a global bank that allows individuals to hold deposits in whatever assets they want and send those assets around the world as easily and as quickly as sending an email trumps all traditional competitors. As far as delivering on a product. I have seen what the team has done thus far and it is substantial. To be honest the hardest part about putting these networks together is not coding but rather designing the system. Bitshares is merely integrating technologies that have been around for a couple decades and should be used ubiquitously throughout all industries already. The competition just doesn't really get the economic implications, which is why I gravitated towards bitshares. You can complain all you want about development, but if you did not complain before you should not be complaining now when the team is more active than any other in the space. I encourage you to look at other forums and other githubs. You will simply not find a more active community and or development team anywhere else. Also Adam do not tell me I am clueless when you blindly support every team in the crypto space without regard for the talent of their developers or the comparative value of their product. From what I remember you have backed Swarm, MaidSafe, and Mastercoin. All three of which are non-investments. You can only lose money on them and that is not something I needed to discern in retrospect. I want to get more information on eMunie but at the moment I am not convinced that it is anywhere close to what bitshares has. Firstly, its coded in java which I'm not too keen on. I cannot find its source code and I would never invest in crypto network this is not opensource. I cannot find information on its development team, which I assume is far smaller than bitshares. Also their forum is pretty much non existent. You have to understand that every network is only as good as the community that supports it. Laslty, if you are still trying to invest in "currencies" your in the wrong place. This is about investing in companies.
Quote from: bytemaster on June 26, 2014, 04:34:38 amDry run 6 threadSent from my iPhone using TapatalkDownloaded it. Run it. I get a Blue window that says loading configuration, then it closes and nothing happens. I dont want to clog the other thread with this, which is probably trivial, but I cant figure out what is going on. It did this for the last windows GUI too. For me that is.
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Quote from: clout on June 24, 2014, 10:44:15 pmWhy do you wait when we are actively testing the network? To say that they have not produced a product is to not understand the nature of the product they are producing. First and foremost, over the past 4 weeks or so there have been 5 iterations of test networks each becoming successively better in the same way that each of BM's realizations about designing theses systems has become successively better. The true impediment both in design and development was shaking off the popular misconception that these system are reliant upon math and not fundamentally human interaction. When you understand that you can automate a shareholder run company using p2p open source network the possibilities abound and you realize that the competitors that many have cited in this thread and others are not competitors at all. No one is doing what Bitshares is doing. It is not about perfection, it is simply about realizing what has made companies successful for thousands of year hitherto. When you put those characteristics on a blockchain you realize that we are upon the precipice of the Napster of finance and every other industry that uses internet for its operation. Sean Parker once said "A million dollars isn't cool. You know what is? A billion dollars." Well I say to you now a billion dollars isn't cool. You know what is a trillion dollars!........You know what is a trillion dollars!No human being can actually imagine what a trillion dollars is… most of us cannot imagine a billion dollars, btw. We know what the number means, but real billion dollars…it is just a number – 1 followed by a bunch of zeroes, not real money !But this is beside the point go on….
Why do you wait when we are actively testing the network? To say that they have not produced a product is to not understand the nature of the product they are producing. First and foremost, over the past 4 weeks or so there have been 5 iterations of test networks each becoming successively better in the same way that each of BM's realizations about designing theses systems has become successively better. The true impediment both in design and development was shaking off the popular misconception that these system are reliant upon math and not fundamentally human interaction. When you understand that you can automate a shareholder run company using p2p open source network the possibilities abound and you realize that the competitors that many have cited in this thread and others are not competitors at all. No one is doing what Bitshares is doing. It is not about perfection, it is simply about realizing what has made companies successful for thousands of year hitherto. When you put those characteristics on a blockchain you realize that we are upon the precipice of the Napster of finance and every other industry that uses internet for its operation. Sean Parker once said "A million dollars isn't cool. You know what is? A billion dollars." Well I say to you now a billion dollars isn't cool. You know what is a trillion dollars!........
Quote from: jae208 on June 26, 2014, 01:29:12 am on windows GUILatest test net has windows GUI...
on windows GUI
Quote from: AdamBLevine on June 25, 2014, 03:36:45 pmIf you know than why are you still acting like you don't understand? Why are you acting like people with complaints should just get over it and shut up?What we need is people getting involved and helping, not standing around complaining.Obviously we are people and more transparent than most and thus easier targets. That said no one wants this done faster and better than our team and if we had a way to make it better we would. So I think what people are really saying is this is a team effort and you can support the effort with your time, skills, money, and positive support. Positive suggestions and initiative are what is necessary. If you think someone thinks they can code something faster then do it and I will support them 100%.
If you know than why are you still acting like you don't understand? Why are you acting like people with complaints should just get over it and shut up?
For those of you who say this is not a multi trillion dollar industry. You are simply misinformed banking is exactly that, a multi trillion dollar industry. So a global bank that allows individuals to hold deposits in whatever assets they want and send those assets around the world as easily and as quickly as sending an email trumps all traditional competitors. As far as delivering on a product. I have seen what the team has done thus far and it is substantial. To be honest the hardest part about putting these networks together is not coding but rather designing the system. Bitshares is merely integrating technologies that have been around for a couple decades and should be used ubiquitously throughout all industries already. The competition just doesn't really get the economic implications, which is why I gravitated towards bitshares.
Quote from: xeroc on June 25, 2014, 01:57:13 pmseeing this from feature perspective bitshares has at least one feature that emunie does not .. what shorting adds to an economy? I am the wrong guy to answer that question .. maybe you should watch the introduction movie?!Maybe, I will answer this question (short version)Some market simply cannot exist without one side being short and the other being long.Examples include futures, options, bitAssets on BTS X.Those markets provide valuable products:-BTS X with its bitUSD will provide the advantages of the crypto currencies with the price stability of the dollar.-Futures – One Important segment of the economy (the one that feed is all literally) - the farmers, also struggle with big movements in the price of their product. Even worst, all of their product comes at the same time. We have all the supply in one month and the demand spread throughout the year. Guess what will happens with the price when for example all the corns come to the market at the same time. Future allow the farmers to fix and hedge their price at a (profitable) chosen by them level and secure that they will get no more no less than that price. They achieve that by going short the required number of futures contract equal to the amount of product they expect to produce.
seeing this from feature perspective bitshares has at least one feature that emunie does not .. what shorting adds to an economy? I am the wrong guy to answer that question .. maybe you should watch the introduction movie?!
Quote from: hamiltino on June 25, 2014, 12:37:56 pmQuote from: clout on June 24, 2014, 10:44:15 pmWhy do you wait when we are actively testing the network? To say that they have not produced a product is to not understand the nature of the product they are producing. First and foremost, over the past 4 weeks or so there have been 5 iterations of test networks each becoming successively better in the same way that each of BM's realizations about designing theses systems has become successively better. The true impediment both in design and development was shaking off the popular misconception that these system are reliant upon math and not fundamentally human interaction. When you understand that you can automate a shareholder run company using p2p open source network the possibilities abound and you realize that the competitors that many have cited in this thread and others are not competitors at all. No one is doing what Bitshares is doing. It is not about perfection, it is simply about realizing what has made companies successful for thousands of year hitherto. When you put those characteristics on a blockchain you realize that we are upon the precipice of the Napster of finance and every other industry that uses internet for its operation. Sean Parker once said "A million dollars isn't cool. You know what is? A billion dollars." Well I say to you now a billion dollars isn't cool. You know what is a trillion dollars!Patience is a virtue and apparently things are not getting translated in Chinese or there is an unnecessary lack of patience within the Chinese Bitshares Community. Either way, I wonder whether or not those who complain about Invictus and there performance up until now are so short sighted that they cannot understand the economic implication of what is being produced here. It seems that you are so short sighted that you would sell stake in something that will have a multi trillion dollar market capitalization for a mere couple thousand dollars. In that case continue your complaining and sell your stake to me. But I suggest you understand that given where we are in our global economic development, particularly understanding that the credit expansion in China will lead to a global downturn of unprecedented proportions, this is the greatest investment that you could have ever made in your lifetime. And to concede to the irrational yet all too present desire to have things immediately when they can be better realized in the future would only serve to make you more bitter later on than you are now. If you cannot code, then promote. If you cannot promote then invest. If you can do any of those things then with the utmost respect I say to you shut up, because you are not contributing, rather you are detracting from something that is so much bigger than you and I, something that has taken more than a year to produce. Comparatively speaking bitcoin was several years in the making before the first iterations of a tangible product. In fact when you look at the technology, economists and technologists were predicted the rise of a bitcoin like currency since the late 1990's. For you to not have the patience to wait a year, even two, is tantamount to you not understanding the reality of software development and fully unprecedented technologies, particularly when this technology could mean the eminent realization or loss of millions of dollars. I wish I could speak Chinese to further assuage your concerns about the development process, but alas I am but an ignorant American. But if my economics courses have taught me anything, it is that Bitshares, not bitcoin, or any other crypto currency network, spells the end of central banking and the government monopoly on force and violence. If my computer science classes have taught me anything, it is that this is a better development team than any other in the space. I do not pretend to understand your current situation but know that if you hold steadfast and continue to support this community and its development both financially and otherwise the reward is far greater than you could ever fathom.i think you are over hyping something that is not really there. You are just dreaming. 1 trillion doller market, good luck.Clout, the reason you can't re-assure him is because you are just as clueless as he is. The only thing that can actually solve this situation is for Invictus to deliver. The complaints are perfectly legitimate, expectations have been very poorly managed and Invictus has done a pretty terrible job executing by any standards they've set for themselves.
Quote from: clout on June 24, 2014, 10:44:15 pmWhy do you wait when we are actively testing the network? To say that they have not produced a product is to not understand the nature of the product they are producing. First and foremost, over the past 4 weeks or so there have been 5 iterations of test networks each becoming successively better in the same way that each of BM's realizations about designing theses systems has become successively better. The true impediment both in design and development was shaking off the popular misconception that these system are reliant upon math and not fundamentally human interaction. When you understand that you can automate a shareholder run company using p2p open source network the possibilities abound and you realize that the competitors that many have cited in this thread and others are not competitors at all. No one is doing what Bitshares is doing. It is not about perfection, it is simply about realizing what has made companies successful for thousands of year hitherto. When you put those characteristics on a blockchain you realize that we are upon the precipice of the Napster of finance and every other industry that uses internet for its operation. Sean Parker once said "A million dollars isn't cool. You know what is? A billion dollars." Well I say to you now a billion dollars isn't cool. You know what is a trillion dollars!Patience is a virtue and apparently things are not getting translated in Chinese or there is an unnecessary lack of patience within the Chinese Bitshares Community. Either way, I wonder whether or not those who complain about Invictus and there performance up until now are so short sighted that they cannot understand the economic implication of what is being produced here. It seems that you are so short sighted that you would sell stake in something that will have a multi trillion dollar market capitalization for a mere couple thousand dollars. In that case continue your complaining and sell your stake to me. But I suggest you understand that given where we are in our global economic development, particularly understanding that the credit expansion in China will lead to a global downturn of unprecedented proportions, this is the greatest investment that you could have ever made in your lifetime. And to concede to the irrational yet all too present desire to have things immediately when they can be better realized in the future would only serve to make you more bitter later on than you are now. If you cannot code, then promote. If you cannot promote then invest. If you can do any of those things then with the utmost respect I say to you shut up, because you are not contributing, rather you are detracting from something that is so much bigger than you and I, something that has taken more than a year to produce. Comparatively speaking bitcoin was several years in the making before the first iterations of a tangible product. In fact when you look at the technology, economists and technologists were predicted the rise of a bitcoin like currency since the late 1990's. For you to not have the patience to wait a year, even two, is tantamount to you not understanding the reality of software development and fully unprecedented technologies, particularly when this technology could mean the eminent realization or loss of millions of dollars. I wish I could speak Chinese to further assuage your concerns about the development process, but alas I am but an ignorant American. But if my economics courses have taught me anything, it is that Bitshares, not bitcoin, or any other crypto currency network, spells the end of central banking and the government monopoly on force and violence. If my computer science classes have taught me anything, it is that this is a better development team than any other in the space. I do not pretend to understand your current situation but know that if you hold steadfast and continue to support this community and its development both financially and otherwise the reward is far greater than you could ever fathom.i think you are over hyping something that is not really there. You are just dreaming. 1 trillion doller market, good luck.
Why do you wait when we are actively testing the network? To say that they have not produced a product is to not understand the nature of the product they are producing. First and foremost, over the past 4 weeks or so there have been 5 iterations of test networks each becoming successively better in the same way that each of BM's realizations about designing theses systems has become successively better. The true impediment both in design and development was shaking off the popular misconception that these system are reliant upon math and not fundamentally human interaction. When you understand that you can automate a shareholder run company using p2p open source network the possibilities abound and you realize that the competitors that many have cited in this thread and others are not competitors at all. No one is doing what Bitshares is doing. It is not about perfection, it is simply about realizing what has made companies successful for thousands of year hitherto. When you put those characteristics on a blockchain you realize that we are upon the precipice of the Napster of finance and every other industry that uses internet for its operation. Sean Parker once said "A million dollars isn't cool. You know what is? A billion dollars." Well I say to you now a billion dollars isn't cool. You know what is a trillion dollars!Patience is a virtue and apparently things are not getting translated in Chinese or there is an unnecessary lack of patience within the Chinese Bitshares Community. Either way, I wonder whether or not those who complain about Invictus and there performance up until now are so short sighted that they cannot understand the economic implication of what is being produced here. It seems that you are so short sighted that you would sell stake in something that will have a multi trillion dollar market capitalization for a mere couple thousand dollars. In that case continue your complaining and sell your stake to me. But I suggest you understand that given where we are in our global economic development, particularly understanding that the credit expansion in China will lead to a global downturn of unprecedented proportions, this is the greatest investment that you could have ever made in your lifetime. And to concede to the irrational yet all too present desire to have things immediately when they can be better realized in the future would only serve to make you more bitter later on than you are now. If you cannot code, then promote. If you cannot promote then invest. If you can do any of those things then with the utmost respect I say to you shut up, because you are not contributing, rather you are detracting from something that is so much bigger than you and I, something that has taken more than a year to produce. Comparatively speaking bitcoin was several years in the making before the first iterations of a tangible product. In fact when you look at the technology, economists and technologists were predicted the rise of a bitcoin like currency since the late 1990's. For you to not have the patience to wait a year, even two, is tantamount to you not understanding the reality of software development and fully unprecedented technologies, particularly when this technology could mean the eminent realization or loss of millions of dollars. I wish I could speak Chinese to further assuage your concerns about the development process, but alas I am but an ignorant American. But if my economics courses have taught me anything, it is that Bitshares, not bitcoin, or any other crypto currency network, spells the end of central banking and the government monopoly on force and violence. If my computer science classes have taught me anything, it is that this is a better development team than any other in the space. I do not pretend to understand your current situation but know that if you hold steadfast and continue to support this community and its development both financially and otherwise the reward is far greater than you could ever fathom.
Emunie is not a bank .. you cannot short an asset afaik
Quote from: AdamBLevine on June 24, 2014, 03:07:01 amYep.here's a guy with 2 posts and joined the forum less than 30 days ago: chanlder NewbiePosts: 2Re: What if 'official' Bitshares X* not 100% honor XT ? « Reply #11 on: Today at 04:35:11 AM »what 3I fucking doing? I will sell my pts,and the unborn XT.I ONLY WANTO SAY"FUCK YOU!".3I,farewell and go to hell.
Yep.
There is far too much posting in the main threads by newly registered participants attempting to disrupt rather than contribute. The best way to keep this forum focused would be to have a 30 day waiting period where "newbies" are only allowed to post in a "newbie" thread.If a newly registered poster has been a "long time lurker", too bad. Because you might just be a sock puppet inculcating dissent. Or you are a hit and run investor hoping for "pump and dump" style profits and share not of the philosophical underpinnings of III.Anyone who has been around this forum for months knows in their bones the utter integrity of the Bitshares team. You may not agree with all their decisions, but you know they are attempting to do the best they can for PTS and AGS holders and for the DAC ecosystem.Some people have a need to tear things down rather than build things up. I personally don't understand that attitude, but hey, it takes all kinds. But it seems to me unwise to allow such people into the main threads until they have at least shown enough persistence to sit through a 30 day waiting period. Most will just gravitate to go on to badmouth other forums where little determination or creativity, and zero positive contribution, is required rather than undergo a 30 day period of learning and reflection.
no products for over half a year. even a stable wallet? a stable wallet without any market function! Everytime when i think of this, i feel i am gonna cry.
Quote from: tianshi on June 23, 2014, 07:58:42 amQuote from: onceuponatime on June 23, 2014, 06:37:44 amThere is far too much posting in the main threads by newly registered participants attempting to disrupt rather than contribute. The best way to keep this forum focused would be to have a 30 day waiting period where "newbies" are only allowed to post in a "newbie" thread.If a newly registered poster has been a "long time lurker", too bad. Because you might just be a sock puppet inculcating dissent. Or you are a hit and run investor hoping for "pump and dump" style profits and share not of the philosophical underpinnings of III.Anyone who has been around this forum for months knows in their bones the utter integrity of the Bitshares team. You may not agree with all their decisions, but you know they are attempting to do the best they can for PTS and AGS holders and for the DAC ecosystem.Some people have a need to tear things down rather than build things up. I personally don't understand that attitude, but hey, it takes all kinds. But it seems to me unwise to allow such people into the main threads until they have at least shown enough persistence to sit through a 30 day waiting period. Most will just gravitate to go on to badmouth other forums where little determination or creativity, and zero positive contribution, is required rather than undergo a 30 day period of learning and reflection.Thank you for your genius speech ~ but actually some newbies are not real newbies, they may have been on this forum for long time like me. i don't feel dissapointed since the first day i was with 3I. i have waited for over half a year and gradually lose some of the confidence (not all, but some, about 50% ) i think BM works so hard, and he might be a very talented man, and i think BM is very nice person. most team members seem to be good. but it also seems that by now, 3I is not very successful and did not do a very good job that satisfy most people because you can see it through the AGS donation situation and the PTS price.in recent months, darkcoin,nxt, blackcoin , bitcoin price perform well, and that means most people satisfy about them however, 3I is not good enough. sometimes, Chinese people may express their love to someone by critizing them.as an Chinese saying gose "scold is love"Sorry, I did not express myself well enough because I was not referring to you. Your posting is very polite and expresses your concern without being too negative.What I was trying to call attention to is the large number of newbies who on the first day they register and in their first post are expressing very negative opinions on different threads. I was hoping that these people could be held to posting only in the "newbie" section until they have been registered for 30 days because they are causing unnecessary FUD and dissension in the threads.Some others have stated the opinion that this negativity may be deliberate to drive down the price of PTS just before the launching of the first DAC in order to buy in cheap now and then sell for a quick profit if prices skyrocket upon the pending release. And this is indeed a possiblity.Is there any harm to confining a newcomer to posting only in the "newbie" section for 30 days while they read the history and become familiar with developments? If they are not sock puppets or manipulators deliberately spreading FUD, and they are indeed new to this forum, this will give them a chance to research and then speak from a greater knowledge base.
Quote from: onceuponatime on June 23, 2014, 06:37:44 amThere is far too much posting in the main threads by newly registered participants attempting to disrupt rather than contribute. The best way to keep this forum focused would be to have a 30 day waiting period where "newbies" are only allowed to post in a "newbie" thread.If a newly registered poster has been a "long time lurker", too bad. Because you might just be a sock puppet inculcating dissent. Or you are a hit and run investor hoping for "pump and dump" style profits and share not of the philosophical underpinnings of III.Anyone who has been around this forum for months knows in their bones the utter integrity of the Bitshares team. You may not agree with all their decisions, but you know they are attempting to do the best they can for PTS and AGS holders and for the DAC ecosystem.Some people have a need to tear things down rather than build things up. I personally don't understand that attitude, but hey, it takes all kinds. But it seems to me unwise to allow such people into the main threads until they have at least shown enough persistence to sit through a 30 day waiting period. Most will just gravitate to go on to badmouth other forums where little determination or creativity, and zero positive contribution, is required rather than undergo a 30 day period of learning and reflection.Thank you for your genius speech ~ but actually some newbies are not real newbies, they may have been on this forum for long time like me. i don't feel dissapointed since the first day i was with 3I. i have waited for over half a year and gradually lose some of the confidence (not all, but some, about 50% ) i think BM works so hard, and he might be a very talented man, and i think BM is very nice person. most team members seem to be good. but it also seems that by now, 3I is not very successful and did not do a very good job that satisfy most people because you can see it through the AGS donation situation and the PTS price.in recent months, darkcoin,nxt, blackcoin , bitcoin price perform well, and that means most people satisfy about them however, 3I is not good enough. sometimes, Chinese people may express their love to someone by critizing them.as an Chinese saying gose "scold is love"
And I just heard that even Darkcoin has released a new wallet version and BitID can be tradeable. feel so dissapointed~
There is far too much posting in the main threads by newly registered participants attempting to disrupt rather than contribute. The best way to keep this forum focused would be to have a 30 day waiting period where "newbies" are only allowed to post in a "newbie" thread.