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中文 (Chinese) / Re: BSIP62: Close Margin Position #211
« on: October 22, 2019, 11:49:59 pm »
初始的期望很好，但是到了市场中实际上就会变了味。

这种“平多”其实是另一种形式的爆仓与做空，而且还是主动性的，做多的累积杠杆有多大，到时候释放出来的做空力量就有多大。

没有这个功能，猴子想要压盘，只能一点一点的把自己的债仓平掉往市场上释放，很难一次性的甩出过亿的订单量，对市场的压制不是那么强烈；

如果有了这个功能，猴子可以一次性的把自己所有的债仓甩到市场，对市场形成恐慌性压制，而且其它在ZB杠杆做空的，也可以利用这个功能在内盘”人工点爆“做空。

累积抵押所积累的BTS数量是惊人的，几个累积抵押上去的债仓进行“人工点爆“不亚于往市场里放了几颗极速炸弹，牛市情况下，这几颗炸弹的效果不会太强，但是在行情惨淡的市场，外加特意的价格覆盖，利用外部市场行情，及砸盘带来的市场情绪，会带来更多跟风“人工点爆“单，很快就可以内外盘同时开花，导致内外盘价格同步下跌，手续费也不会有太大变化。
而且将来的BSIP74会对此有显著的市场影响。

插句题外：我个人的对目标抵押率的理解是：所有债仓应该必须强制目标抵押率，没有设置目标抵押率的其默认目标抵押率就是MCR，这样才能减轻爆仓的数量对市场的压力，市场反弹也会轻松一些，不然有些极大的债仓全部抛向市场对市场的压制是无解的（比如前段时间猴子债仓压制bitusd市场，然后反吃）

这个功能可能需要一个触发抵押率比如1.3，在债仓没有低于这个抵押率之前，不能触发这个“最终平仓”功能，当然也只能是缓解一下前期各种”人工点爆“的尴尬情况。

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中文 (Chinese) / 反对 BSIP62: Close Margin Position #211
« on: October 22, 2019, 02:29:25 pm »
BSIP62: Close Margin Position #211
https://github.com/bitshares/bsips/issues/156

我人为这个提案蕴藏着潜在的市场被操作的风险
比如大债仓可以利用自己作为最大的债仓在价格上升的一定空间的时候最大化自己的债仓，然后利用这个功能在市场无法消化他债仓并已有爆仓单的情况下不断压迫市场下滑，导致喂价下降，大量爆仓单爆出，然后在合适的时机撤掉自己的压单，吃掉爆仓单。

而且BSIP62会使BSIP74提案彻底沦为鸡肋，市场情况只会回到以前大幅折价冲击市场的状态，主动踩踏的场景不要太美，到时候卖卖不出去，爆也爆不掉，好戏一场。
BSIP77也会彻底的沦为鸡肋。

想要BSIP62有用的话，必须对想要使用BSIP62的使用者收取手续费，手续费为(MCFR+流动性罚金%)，这样的话就不需要触发cr, 在BSIP77与BSIP74配合的情况下, 市场氛围会得到极大的改善.

因为BSIP74会有市场手续费分享功能，流动性罚金需要跟BSIP74分配比例相配合。

BSIP62与BSIP77到时候就可以配合使用, 抵押者到了BSIP77的缓冲空间内, 还有可以操作的余地, 心存幻想的可以继续顶着直到抵押率低于MCR.

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中文 (Chinese) / Re: 黑天鹅防护和喂价锁定是市场操纵吗？
« on: October 22, 2019, 01:03:08 pm »
感觉长时间内没有再往上锁喂价的必要, 而且阻力也会非常大.

首要的任务应该是: 喂价机制的改进, 需要充分讨论一下各种喂价机制的利弊, 做多种备案, 争取更多的共识.

Bitusd区本身太缺乏顺畅的资金入口, 其实USDT/bitusd也可以作为承兑的一个副业.

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General Discussion / Re: Committee Fund Operation Review
« on: October 21, 2019, 03:59:54 pm »
Quote from: Digital Lucifer on October 21, 2019, 12:56:18 pm
Never said they are. Commitee (e.g. board of directors) as operators (fund managers) are responsible for it in every possible way including legal one. Do as you wish,

Chee®s

Hm, i didn't get it.

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中文 (Chinese) / Re: [互助帖] 中文翻译协助 Assistance for English/Chinese Translation
« on: October 21, 2019, 12:40:28 pm »
Quote from: R on October 21, 2019, 11:33:33 am
Quote from: R on September 30, 2019, 10:51:47 pm
Quote from: tshen on September 09, 2019, 02:15:32 pm
有人愿意帮他翻译这两份文档吗，他悬赏 7500 BTS。

Quote from: Customminer on September 02, 2019, 08:52:03 pm
I wish to request Chinese translation support for the following documents:
https://raw.githubusercontent.com/BTS-CM/Hertz-Whitepaper/master/hertz_whitepaper.md (except the preface section, that's part of an old steem post)
https://raw.githubusercontent.com/BTS-CM/Norns/master/about.md

2 BTS per word sound alright? So approx 7500 BTS in total for the above two documents?

Regarding the Norns whitepaper, it references deities from Norse mythology using Wikipedia references, it'd be great if relevant articles within online Chinese encyclopedias could be referenced in their place if possible?

I'm looking for price feed publishers for the Norns & hertz:
https://bitsharestalk.org/index.php?topic=27749.0;all
https://bitsharestalk.org/index.php?topic=26013.msg334968

Thanks
Anyone interested in the translation?
Any update on translation? I could just use google & bing translate instead, that's good enough right?

Don't use google & bing translate, will have many translating errors.

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General Discussion / Re: Committee Fund Operation Review
« on: October 21, 2019, 12:35:04 pm »
Quote from: Digital Lucifer on October 21, 2019, 10:48:41 am
Committee is set of 11 different accounts that are all responsible for funds, not just 1 account with support of community.

It should be voted by committee members, not a community - since community has no legal responsibility for the actions they vote for (yet).

Can you explain the "legal responsibility"?


These fund was operated by committees
I think you didn't read carefully what i said, it doesn't mean the fund belong to the committees.
If the community decided to something with this fund，the committees should follow the result of vote.
Committe have the right to make a proposal express what he or the voters want to do, this is what he should to do.

No action then will no responsibility, this will be very sad for the community.

If this proposal can make more liquidity，why not try it?
Feed price has been locked,  there's no going back，the market fees still can pay back the debt slowly in the future, to buy cheap bts is more better to to buy the expensive.

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General Discussion / Re: Committee Fund Operation Review
« on: October 21, 2019, 09:15:42 am »
Quote from: Digital Lucifer on October 21, 2019, 06:35:38 am
Mr. Liu Jialing, If you want to take the funds, please create worker on your own name so you can take full responsibility for actions with those funds. Leave the committee owned funds out of the pitch.

This was a friendly(soft) suggestion.

Chee®s

I don't think these words were suitable.
These fund was operated by committees, even this proposal was voted in, every committe still has the responsibility to decide how to use these fund.
As a committee, he has the right and obligation to think how to use these fund, and every stakholder has the right and obligation to think how to use these fund, give a proposal and bid for votes.

If you opposed or didn‘t like this proposal，you can just give your reasons simply,  language attack or emotional expression can't help anything.

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General Discussion / Re: Committee proposal to adjust fees by the USD-Denominated fee schedule
« on: October 21, 2019, 08:29:33 am »
Quote from: Digital Lucifer on October 21, 2019, 06:41:49 am
With workers halted, we seen significant drop in markets due to lower worker payout and less trading by escrow itself. Ofc, we can exclude bitCNY from the story since that asset has special treatment for long time.

This is bear market, every coin has significant drop in markets, if we didn't halt some workers and lower worker payout，the situation will be more worse than now.

I found you still think things will become more better with the hight costs for so long a time, please to understand the market，even a little.



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General Discussion / Re: On the impossibility of paying all BitAssets debts on the Bitshares blockchain
« on: October 21, 2019, 03:49:01 am »
en...

This problem has been talked about long long time ago in CN forum, nothing is new, and we also have had some ideas to handle these.

If really care something, we should design one or two rotating positions for the backup witness to maintain the activity of backup witness.

The backup witnesses who has a certain weight of votes can product blocks alternate on the rotating position，but the rotating position only can get half Pay-per-block, alternate time is one day?



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Stakeholder Proposals / Re: [Draft] BSIP78: MLP (Market Liquidity Pool)
« on: October 21, 2019, 03:08:08 am »
I like graphics! :), easy to understand.

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中文 (Chinese) / Re: 喂价改革讨论
« on: October 20, 2019, 01:24:12 am »
Quote from: Bhuz on October 19, 2019, 11:38:03 pm
What about giving this blocktrades's idea a chance?

We did try several things in the last months/years, I think we can afford another experiment, moreover if this experiment tries to rely more on our decentralized exchange.

I understand that there are some reservations and concerns, but I think we can try to apply some stratagem to remedy or at least to limit the possibility of negative outcomes.

For instance, we could try this new approach once the market making contest is started.
Thanks to the market making contest, we hope to have:
  • Multiple reliable gateways with active deposit and withdrawal
  • These gateways should gain more trust since they will provide evidence about their assets being fully-backed
  • More liquidity/volume in specific inner markets

We could derive our bitassets prices from these same inner markets (directly or indirectly) that hopefully will see an increase in liquidity: such as BTS/BTC, BTS/ETH, and BTS/USDT
To avoid some bad feedback-loop and/or our inner markets being crashed due to higher pressure from cex's bts markets, we can still apply some trick that we already use.

We could feed:
Code: [Select]
max(price-from-inner-markets, price-from-cex)
or, in line with the latest proposal from cn-vote group:
Code: [Select]
max(price-from-inner-markets, moving-average-price-from-cex)
Thoughts?

We have already think about these ;)

1. Multiple reliable gateways maybe is a good way, there will be one market, but the interest will be too low and disputed for the gateway，they didn't have the motivation.

but i have an idea, we can design a primary market, the secondary market is the gateway market.
The order of the secondary market will map to the primary market.
Example:



2.
Quote
max(price-from-inner-markets, price-from-cex)
max(price-from-inner-markets, moving-average-price-from-cex)

The price-from-inner-markets can't be used as the feed price alone for the controlling risk，we have revised it in some way.
Give the price-from-inner-markets a suitable weight in the pirce feed，and make a suitable rule to control these. you can check here:https://bitsharestalk.org/index.php?topic=28418.0

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中文 (Chinese) / Re: 喂价改革讨论
« on: October 19, 2019, 08:28:30 am »
Quote from: freedom on October 02, 2019, 11:18:14 am
我觉得可以用 延迟喂价+步进下跌的方法，整套算法，来解决用内盘价喂价插针的问题。
强清可以延迟为什么喂价爆仓不行呢？

这个跟zhouxiaobao同学的提法有共通之处，延迟下跌是一个可行之的方案，就看具体怎么演化及找到足够的逻辑性支撑。
关键是要把内盘价格做一部分权重到喂价中，再加以合理的限制，不让内盘做喂价的权重变的太风骚，就会是一种变相做多的方式，外盘做空也会有所顾忌，不敢太过于肆意妄为，到时候内盘的大户们也可以尝试一把拉盘的快感。

比如ZB空头狗庄开启疯狂模式，但是因为内盘价格在喂价中有相当的权重，内盘的大户们不愿意再受空头狗庄的各种凌辱，内盘开始托盘，这时候喂价就会在内盘价格权重与外盘价格权重中来回摇摆找平衡，如果内盘大户们够强壮，完全可以拉住喂价缓跌或者不跌，甚至上升。
如果再加上几个爆仓缓冲区，比如爆仓抵押线分离及无风险借贷降抵押，内盘的大户们应该有机会风骚一把。

我认为有几点必须要保证：

1. 内盘价格必须在喂价中占有权重，让内盘大户有搏一把的能力，同时加以优化避免MSSR带来的冲击；

2. 设计几个爆仓缓冲区，避免爆仓单提前助力；

如何？

小老弟们，喂价改革不仅仅是改喂价，还要找各种帮手来帮忙才行啊。

现在有这么几种假想方案，大家可以比较发散一下看看：

工会的：https://bitsharestalk.org/index.php?topic=29698.0

其它的：https://bitsharestalk.org/index.php?topic=28418.0

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Stakeholder Proposals / Re: [Poll] BSIP76:Set bitUSD feed threshold
« on: October 19, 2019, 01:38:25 am »
Quote from: Sapiens on October 19, 2019, 01:28:11 am
After forced vacation from this forum, I am finally back!
Welcome back！

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中文 (Chinese) / Re: DEX到底是不是伪需求？
« on: October 18, 2019, 03:14:02 pm »
Quote from: 时光旅行机 on October 18, 2019, 01:24:34 pm
是否能转换下思路，走出去看看。
1.EOS这个大腿抱一下，系统内建biteos资产，跟EOS平行对接，eos内核跟BTS差不多，这种级别的跨链过来应该问题不大吧。这样引入大量的EOS进入内盘，形成抵押盘。增加系统整体估值。而且eos本身的社区有一部分人是和BTS社区是重合的，这个天然的关系，不知道为啥一直不利用。
2.cosmos这种跨链hub类型社区的对接，把其他类型的数字币引入进来，在不济，bts当cosmos的一个HUB也算啊，巨蟹不是有这方面的资源么，可以利用发挥一下。
3.多抵押增加bitcny和bitusd的健壮性才是王道，多抵押这个技术难度稍微大点，也不是很难把，dai都能搞定。

1. 嗯，似乎EOS也不好搞，BEOS钱砸进去了，似乎也还是网关;
2. cosmos也是一个方向可能，但是似乎这个hub也是形同与网关性质……
3. 多资产抵押肯定能吸引更多的流量，稳定币也会更健壮一些，主要还是跨链的问题……

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中文 (Chinese) / Re: 关于喂价人与见证人分离、竞争上岗的提议
« on: October 18, 2019, 03:07:18 pm »
Quote from: zhouxiaobao on October 18, 2019, 09:47:14 am
现在理事会就已经执行喂价人和见证人分离了么？竟然不要bisp投票的么？有必要这么快么？具体的方案通过没有？这个喂价又不是小孩过家家，改不好就是要命的事。我不知道有什么好处值得这么冒险？以后理事会就有权利确定喂价和喂价人了？如何监管？喂价人作恶怎么办？有的提案要投票，这么重要的提案又不要投票，我们小散表示真的搞不懂。一直在懵逼状态。这么改到底什么目的？

必须要有明确的方案，充分研究有无漏洞，再投票通过，才能执行。这样谁报名就给谁喂价权利， 开玩笑吧？

没有这么快，先慢慢把有意向的喂价人凑齐了再说，以免到时候火急火燎的凑不齐喂价人就有点尴尬了。
喂价肯定是按现有的BSIP来。

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