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Title: My investment is in FreeTrade
Post by: Tigerlore on April 19, 2014, 01:51:26 pm
Common wisdom among investors is to invest in people, not ideas or products. I first noticed a post FreeTrade made where he evaluated various coins for their investment potential. I was, and still am, new to cryptocurrency and that post helped me a lot. It validated a number of things I had already noticed and helped me form a standard for evaluation.

Then I read the mock interview he did with himself where he discussed the MMC 1.0 debacle. I was deeply impressed, not just by the way he handled things when it went to hell, but even by the mistake he made that set up the failure. His error was in giving too much trust to his fellow human beings. Trusting people are also trustworthy people. I knew MMC wasn't a pump-and-dump, a scam artist would never have made that mistake. I also really liked his honesty and humor; and the fact that he can communicate clearly, counts for a lot.

My mining hardware isn't very impressive, but I do have something else I can invest.

(https://lh4.googleusercontent.com/-3H-8DTPMKzk/U1BN4T3B-LI/AAAAAAAAXnY/UyuymSdjlK0/w876-h573-no/HostageArt.png) (https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/-wsvD7PAsMyM/U1G6tCz0IgI/AAAAAAAAXnw/ce1FrmOqOrM/w960-h540-no/MMCFullLogoHostage.png)

I'm holding these for "ransom" at 8,000 MMC and 12,000 MMC respectively.

I've tried dealing with the current CEO but, unsurprisingly as he is 20 years old, the title has gone to his head and he has no concept of leadership. And, perhaps the CMO has yet to discover the new forum, but I haven't heard a single word from him. I find that troubling.

I really want to continue making art for this coin, but I am worried that I'm just wasting my time. I'm concerned Memory Coin may be in it's death throws.

I will slash the asking price for my art by 70% if FreeTrade becomes the CEO again.

I'm working with a 3D art program, Blender. It is capable of creating animations and that is one of my goals for promoting the coin. I'm also a musician, so I can handle the audio side of it as well. I have some really cool ideas for this, but the work to execute them isn't trivial. I need motivation, i.e. I need to get paid and paid well. Not jacked around by some wannabe puppetmaster.

I don't begrudge FreeTrade a vacation. I'm sure he has earned it. Will he return as CEO? Does he want to? Is the community too dominated by toxic elements to allow him?
Title: Re: My investment is in FreeTrade
Post by: tomorrow on April 19, 2014, 03:14:18 pm
Welcome to THE forum. A beauty of democracy is that nobody has to be blamed in a disrespected manner. The community does need active and energetic elements to revive the block-chain, even though such reviving could deviate from the original track. Such activity will be reflected from the market. On the other hand, the advantage of our block-chain is that it self-adapts. If it feels "toxic", people will raise questions and bring us back to the right business. Regarding the project, it would be interesting to know more details behind the pictures...
Title: Re: My investment is in FreeTrade
Post by: kanes on April 19, 2014, 08:44:54 pm
Tigerlore yes Delinquency have 20 years. And so what?

If you have any ideias to the coin propose you to CEO. I dont know Freetrade, i come to this market when he was already inative. What i know, is that he dont have intereste in your comunity. If he come back i bet all off as will vote on him.

What we need in this moment is to work as a comunity to give credit to the coin. Or all our time in the coin will be wasted.
Title: Re: My investment is in FreeTrade
Post by: Delinquency on April 19, 2014, 09:59:16 pm
Tigerlore, please try not to overvalue your work. You have only started learning blender and do not have much experience.

This is business, you want to make art? Negotiate a price. If you can't clearly state compensation before investing your personal time and effort, please don't complain to me or anyone else. You shouldn't have made art unless you knew you were definitely going to get paid handsomely for it.

FreeTrade posted his investment advice with complete bias and the result turned to the memorycoin bubble. Just from very retrospective factors, his plan to promote the best coins would have worked.

But if you were smart, you would have known how to limit your risks. If you can make x1000 times, you can sure hope to lose x1000 times your investment.

There were many other factors that really affected price, such as fundamental and technical drivers rather than what is just mainly coded. The depreciation of MMC could be seen from the beginning of January.

Tigerlore, you don't notice the community and the meaning of competition.
Title: Re: My investment is in FreeTrade
Post by: Tigerlore on April 19, 2014, 11:24:37 pm
Quote from: Delinquency on April 19, 2014, 09:59:16 pm
Tigerlore, please try not to overvalue your work. You have only started learning blender and do not have much experience.

This is business, you want to make art? Negotiate a price. If you can't clearly state compensation before investing your personal time and effort, please don't complain to me or anyone else. You shouldn't have made art unless you knew you were definitely going to get paid handsomely for it.

FreeTrade posted his investment advice with complete bias and the result turned to the memorycoin bubble. Just from very retrospective factors, his plan to promote the best coins would have worked.

But if you were smart, you would have known how to limit your risks. If you can make x1000 times, you can sure hope to lose x1000 times your investment.

There were many other factors that really affected price, such as fundamental and technical drivers rather than what is just mainly coded. The depreciation of MMC could be seen from the beginning of January.

Tigerlore, you don't notice the community and the meaning of competition.

So, instead of talking to me like an adult and trying to work with me. you are going to burn the bridge completely?

Okay.

I know there is no way you could possibly recognize how out of control your ego has become, so I'll point out a few smaller things that you might be able to grasp on some level.

Holding a competition to find an artist is a good idea. After finding a competent artist, don't continue having competitions. That's insulting to the artist. It also makes you look like a cheap skate, and that you don't value the work. Instead, be happy you found an artist and work with them.

When you promise an award for a competition, make sure you have the funds to pay the award and don't put the competitors in a position where they need to demand payment. Repeatedly.

DO NOT EVER delete posts that are critical of you. No matter what. It makes you look like a dictator. Censorship is frowned on by most people in democratic cultures.

And work on your writing. Your poor grammar makes you appear unprofessional. Seriously. You'd be surprised at how much stress is put on writing in business courses.
Title: Re: My investment is in FreeTrade
Post by: Delinquency on April 20, 2014, 12:35:02 am
Thank you very much for your pointers.

I'll be sure to follow them.
Title: Re: My investment is in FreeTrade
Post by: stalemate on April 21, 2014, 05:21:53 pm
Tiger, if you could improve that graphical work, we may consider issuing a MemoryCoin gold bar just like we produced for BlackCoin.

http://www.coaex.com/shop/coin-gold-bars/1-gram-blackcoin-gold-bars-igr-995-0-fine/

We are getting massive amount of orders for the product. All sold out.

Of course, we will do that with pre-order basis since MemoryCoin community are keen to hold their coins till the end of time.

This message is a general call for the community to prepare a MemoryCoin gold bar image for us to produce it, maybe the last call.

You can find the details on our store : http://www.coaex.com/
Title: Re: My investment is in FreeTrade
Post by: Tigerlore on April 21, 2014, 06:40:37 pm
Quote from: stalemate on April 21, 2014, 05:21:53 pm
Tiger, if you could improve that graphical work...

Improve it, or just make it different? Make it look like BlackCoin? I suppose I could do that. I wanted a coin that looks like a real coin and not just a graphic, because as a "real world object", I can put it in "real world scenes". Like bank vaults, treasure chests, piggy banks, etc. I could do another logo along with it, but I won't do it for pennies or be treated like I'm disposable.

Actually I logged in here for another reason. I want to clarify something. Because posts were deleted there's no way to verify this, but then again, it can't be disproven either. It was understood that for the original logo contest I entered, the prize was going to be 800 MMC. After my submission was accepted I was paid 50 MMC. That is $1 USD, and that's without subtracting exchange fees. Understandably, I flipped out. 800 MMC is only $18, but I believe in the coin and maybe someday that will be a meaningful amount.

I understand that people think that this coin will be worth a lot someday, I do too, but I can't imagine anyone accepting payment for work based solely on that hope. There has to be some connection with the current value of the coin. The exception might be people who already have a lot of coin. They already have motivation to do the work.

Logo's matter. It's the brand. It's the visual image people associate with the product. You really don't want to be cheap about it. Paying a graphic artist well, that is willing to accept payment in MMC, has the additional benefit of investing them in the future of the coin. They will care about the the coin and they have practical skills that can help make it a success.

If you look around, you can see there aren't many graphic artists in cryptocurrency. Even Bitcoin doesn't have very much high quality art. I suspect people think that since other alt-coins have weak art, Memory Coin doesn't need anything better. Memory Coin needs to stand out from the crowd. That's exactly why it should have good art.

I'm actually really easy to work with, but I'm no puppet. I just want to help.
Title: Re: My investment is in FreeTrade
Post by: Delinquency on April 21, 2014, 07:25:02 pm
Tigerlore, the only moderating I did to change your post was just simply splitting the topic and placing your request in the support & help section.

https://www.mmc-square.com/support-and-help/4/payment-request-tigerlore/83/

Robonix:
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This was the first post that I noticed anything about a competition for a MemoryCoin logo: https://www.mmc-square.com/index.php/topic,48.msg154.html#msg154 in which delinquency mentioned that he would award 800 MMC for the wining design, since then, he upped the bounty to 5000 MMC, obviously no one has won the bounty and since there was no time limit, this change falls well within it’s parameters…IMO since this was not a paid job there is no payment due to anyone until there is a definite winner announced…
Title: Re: My investment is in FreeTrade
Post by: Tigerlore on April 21, 2014, 09:45:55 pm
Quote from: Delinquency on April 21, 2014, 07:25:02 pm
Tigerlore, the only moderating I did to change your post was just simply splitting the topic and placing your request in the support & help section.

https://www.mmc-square.com/support-and-help/4/payment-request-tigerlore/83/

Robonix:
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This was the first post that I noticed anything about a competition for a MemoryCoin logo: https://www.mmc-square.com/index.php/topic,48.msg154.html#msg154 in which delinquency mentioned that he would award 800 MMC for the wining design, since then, he upped the bounty to 5000 MMC, obviously no one has won the bounty and since there was no time limit, this change falls well within it’s parameters…IMO since this was not a paid job there is no payment due to anyone until there is a definite winner announced…

Oh, okay. I see what's going on. I guess I could apologize, but "Holy crap, what a clusterfuck!". I thought you deleted the original contest thread but actually you started the new one in a different sub-forum? But you're saying it's not a new competition? Then why a new thread? And why a different sub-forum?

And why can't you do anything in an open, honest and straightforward manner? Because that's not how you think CEO's act? Where the hell did you get that idea from? Does your concept of executives come from anime? That would explain a lot, like your grammar and the odd word choices you make. Crucifying? Where did you pick that word up from? Sure, it's a word, but the way you use it is totally screwball.

We could go back even further actually. This all started when I made a post saying I wanted to create a 3D style coin and wondered if anyone had any ideas for what to put on it. You closed that thread because you had an idea for a contest. What the hell is that about? You needed to close the thread I started because you had an idea? Absolutely unnecessary.

You think I overvalue my art? You're wrong. I've exactly valued what it's worth to have to deal with you. The price range I had in mind at the beginning of all this was much lower.

You want to quote Robonix? The guy that took my ideas for coin decoration and used them without giving me credit or, at that point, even acknowledging my existence? The guy that threw a few filters on art I made and submitted it for a contest? That guy? He's your character witness? I guess that's all you got.

Give it up. You're not executive material. There's nothing wrong with that and there's nothing wrong with being 20 years old and thinking you might be. The way you got the job was pretty nasty though and that anyone supported you makes me question the health of the community.

By the way, and this is a tip you really should take seriously, you're an idiot for arguing with me in public. I don't have anything to lose; so I can't really fail. You don't have anything to gain; so for you arguing with me is pointless. It's politics 101. That's probably never come up in any of your anime, huh?
Title: Re: My investment is in FreeTrade
Post by: Tigerlore on April 22, 2014, 02:39:17 am
Someone with a lot of MMC hijacked MMC 1.0 and corrupted it. That's a fact.

The MMC they had was converted, or whatever, to the MMC 2.0 currency. That is also a fact.

This person is a sick motherfucker. That's an opinion, but a hard one to argue against. And, the chances are, that they are still around with all the MMC they had plus what they have mined since. It is also a near certainty that they despise FreeTrade for shutting down MMC 1.0 and will do anything in their power to get him as far away from the coin as possible. Including spreading vicious rumors and opinions and supporting bullshit candidates.

I've referred to a toxic element in the community. This person is the toxic element. Him and the people who believe the poison he is spreading.

I'm not in a position to judge whether or not the coin can survive this twisted person's influence. If it can I'd like to be around to see it. If not, I hope FreeTrade starts another coin, with a clean slate, so I can be part of that.

If you believe the founder is shit, then the coin is shit. What the hell is wrong with you that you are still hanging around? There's tons of coins out there. Dump your MMC and find one you believe in. Sheesh! What's wrong with you people!?!
Title: Re: My investment is in FreeTrade
Post by: Tigerlore on April 22, 2014, 02:14:45 pm
So you are the toxic element?

Yes your posts should be deleted. You should be banned from the forum entirely. You have and are continuing to commit treason. Even freedom of speech has limits.

That you persist in your delusions, despite your failure with MMC 1.0, is evidence of your insanity. You want to remake this coin in your own image and that is impossible. You are too disturbed to create anything of value. All you can do is contaminate and poison. You are gleefully cutting your own throat and encouraging others to do the same.

You should feel shame for what you are doing. You are to blame for suppressing the coin and it's supporters. Regret will be the only reward for your actions.

This man is an enemy of Memory Coin and the community, and so is anyone who aligns with him. He is what is wrong with Memory Coin.
Title: Re: My investment is in FreeTrade
Post by: biophil on April 22, 2014, 02:41:30 pm
Wow, we have a fight between MemoryCoin's oldest squeaky wheel and MemoryCoin's newest squeaky wheel!

Please excuse my paraphrasing in the following:
newmine's position: FreeTrade is a self-serving jerk who has twisted and manipulated MemoryCoin from day 1.
Tigerlore's position: FreeTrade is a gift from the gods, our true savior and bringer of coin profits; anybody against him is "Too disturbed to create anything of value."

Let's see how this plays out!
Title: Re: My investment is in FreeTrade
Post by: Tigerlore on April 22, 2014, 03:32:07 pm
Quote from: biophil on April 22, 2014, 02:41:30 pm
Wow, we have a fight between MemoryCoin's oldest squeaky wheel and MemoryCoin's newest squeaky wheel!

Please excuse my paraphrasing in the following:
newmine's position: FreeTrade is a self-serving jerk who has twisted and manipulated MemoryCoin from day 1.
Tigerlore's position: FreeTrade is a gift from the gods, our true savior and bringer of coin profits; anybody against him is "Too disturbed to create anything of value."

Let's see how this plays out!

So Memory Coin is a joke to you?

Creators of any sort are inextricably tied to their creations. Even FreeTrade could never completely break his ties to Memory Coin. There is a link there that cannot be undone.

Maybe FreeTrade is corrupt. If he is, then so is the coin and it should be abandoned by all. That corruption could never be expunged.

I've put out a call for an independent third-party investigation to be done https://bitsharestalk.org/index.php?topic=4324.0 (https://bitsharestalk.org/index.php?topic=4324.0)

Hopefully, this will get sorted out. If not then the coin is doomed and so are DACs, because what is happening here could happen to any of them.
Title: Re: My investment is in FreeTrade
Post by: sgsong on April 22, 2014, 04:33:13 pm
不明觉厉. 这个价位这个阶段，没强哥如都能活下来的话，MMC前途无量.
newmine可能之前被MMC1.0坑了，或被强哥鄙视了，或........，所以‘‘铭记在心’’. 俺最喜欢看辩论了，可惜英文只能看个大概，写就更谈不上了. 中文字体如版主看不顺眼就删了吧，俺飘过，潜水ing.......
Title: Re: My investment is in FreeTrade
Post by: robonix on April 22, 2014, 04:47:04 pm
Quote from: Tigerlore on April 21, 2014, 09:45:55 pm
You want to quote Robonix? The guy that took my ideas for coin decoration and used them without giving me credit or, at that point, even acknowledging my existence? The guy that threw a few filters on art I made and submitted it for a contest? That guy? He's your character witness? I guess that's all you got.
OK I guess I have to break my silence on this whole thing (because my character is being questioned), first of all the images that I submitted that are reminiscent of Tigerlore's In the competition page are not copied or filtered, anyone with photoshop can download the .psd file that I made available alongside every single submission and see that I made them all from scratch. Secondly In the first two sets that are inspired by Tigerlore's (not copied) I clearly state that they were inspired by Tigerlore's submission and anyone can see that I have not just recently edited them:

https://www.mmc-square.com/contests-corner/6/memorycoin-logo-total-jackpot-6500-00-mmc/82/msg309#msg309
https://www.mmc-square.com/contests-corner/6/memorycoin-logo-total-jackpot-6500-00-mmc/82/msg312#msg312

Third and most important and please don't take offense because that's not the way it's intended, Tigerlore's idea for the MemoryCoin logo is interesting but it's not very refined, the “M” in the Memoratus text on the top part of the coin clipped off part of the last star among other things that need to be filed down, aligned and perfected. Tigerlore's design provided a good starting point but it needs work.

And If by any chance one of my submissions (inspired by Tigerlore's were to win) I would split the prize equally because it was a team effort and that IMO (along with how I have conducted my self from day one) lives-up to the spirit of community forums and the MemoryCoin community...
Title: Re: My investment is in FreeTrade
Post by: Tigerlore on April 22, 2014, 05:50:11 pm
Quote from: newmine on April 22, 2014, 03:54:13 pm
See https://bitsharestalk.org/index.php?topic=2047.msg24598#msg24598

Thank you for the link. I read the entire thread. Don't think I missed that it was started as a call to have you banned.

There is nothing there that changes my view of you or your influence on the coin. You are subverting and contaminating it and have been from the beginning. As long as your presence is tolerated the coin will never amount to anything. If DACs can't be constructed to deal with people like you, then they are all vulnerable.
Title: Re: My investment is in FreeTrade
Post by: Tigerlore on April 22, 2014, 06:56:59 pm
Quote from: newmine on April 22, 2014, 06:45:53 pm

You are exacerbating the very issue you are whining about which makes you a moron.


I'm putting a spotlight on the issue. If your actions were honorable, you wouldn't have any complaints about that.
Title: Re: My investment is in FreeTrade
Post by: Tigerlore on April 22, 2014, 07:41:41 pm
Quote from: newmine on April 22, 2014, 07:16:13 pm

"I'm putting a spotlight on the issues I don't want in the spot light" is what you are saying.

I have zero complaints about what you are doing. Cry away. Just because you got butt hurt for losing the art designing contest for a MMC logo, and you decided to try your turn at the next internet Dick Tracy which lead you to FreeTrade and your subsequent jabs at the current CEO doesn't bother me one bit. Just know that I will be there to correct your inexperienced view of events that unfolded when you most likely had no idea Bitcoin and the Alts even existed.

There is a reason no one has responded to your juvenile cry for help on the General Discussion board.

Twisting my words to suit your agenda, personal attacks against me and your attempts to direct attention away from your actions, illustrate your inability to justify your continued association with Memory Coin and presence on this forum.
Title: Re: My investment is in FreeTrade
Post by: tomorrow on April 23, 2014, 02:14:31 am
Quote from: sgsong on April 22, 2014, 04:33:13 pm
不明觉厉. 这个价位这个阶段，没强哥如都能活下来的话，MMC前途无量.
newmine可能之前被MMC1.0坑了，或被强哥鄙视了，或........，所以‘‘铭记在心’’. 俺最喜欢看辩论了，可惜英文只能看个大概，写就更谈不上了. 中文字体如版主看不顺眼就删了吧，俺飘过，潜水ing.......

赶紧来新论坛报道来，拉上群里的喷子！阿强估计生闷气呢。。

Tigerlore and sgsong: newmine is a hemorrhoid of MemoryCoin. If you holds MemoryCoin, he is already your enemy. His words made the worst influence of Memorycoin community and market. The best we can do is not only to ignore him, but also to silence him.
Title: Re: My investment is in FreeTrade
Post by: FreeTrade on April 23, 2014, 11:04:16 am
I'll just leave this here in case anyone want to run with it . . .

http://www.dummies.com/how-to/content/the-canonization-process-for-sainthood.html
Title: Re: My investment is in FreeTrade
Post by: stalemate on April 23, 2014, 01:12:06 pm
To speak the truth, MemoryCoin died long time ago. If you wish, I can offer you something in USD  if its price rises to a certain level for a certain period. (like in Binary Options).
Just name your price, FreeTrade or others and we will see what we can do. We now have enough funding to buy MemoryCoin entirely or to rebuild a new coin which should base on PoW/PoS with voting system. However, we don't want a developer like FreeTrade or any others in this community. Maybe you can redirect us to a honest developer.
Title: Re: My investment is in FreeTrade
Post by: Tigerlore on April 23, 2014, 03:39:30 pm
Quote from: FreeTrade on April 23, 2014, 11:04:16 am
I'll just leave this here in case anyone want to run with it . . .

http://www.dummies.com/how-to/content/the-canonization-process-for-sainthood.html

You're missing the point, as are a lot of people. Founders are an irrevocable part of the legacy of any project. One can't be separated from the other. Robber-barons start philanthropic foundations to take advantage of this concept.

Memory Coin is terminally ill and it's because of the mistakes you made setting it up originally. I don't think those mistakes were stupid, organizing people is one of the biggest challenges there is, but I also don't think you are a saint.

That being said, I hope you start another coin. You are very well educated in the process. There is no better education than making mistakes, and boy have you made your share! :)
Title: Re: My investment is in FreeTrade
Post by: Tigerlore on April 23, 2014, 06:22:08 pm
FreeTrade, here's an idea: A coin called "Lessons" or "Experience" and maybe you could team up with some of the PANDA guys for it also. The marketing approach is that you've learned through hard experience what it takes to make a coin successful. Then use the mistakes of the various team members to illustrate how this new coin is superior.

Bad reputations can be rehabilitated. Even taken advantage of. Celebrities and companies do it all the time. IBM used to be an evil empire, but hardly anyone remembers that now. Rob Lowe's career was completely dead there for a time and now he's a rising star. Not that your problems compare to those examples. Memory Coin left the door open for corrupt elements to enter it. I'm sure there were other mistakes too, but that was the big one.

Honest people would find this approach appealing and those are the kind of supporters you want anyway. Stories of redemption are very popular, so there'd be support coming from that angle too.