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Other => Graveyard => BitShares PTS => Topic started by: AJ_ on November 13, 2013, 08:52:06 pm
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Just trying to see what the average number of Protoshares is.
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not enough (yet) :)
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I mined out one block in the first day, and i've gotten a few more PTS from pool mining since then.
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LOL, the difficulty adjusted and orphans were hiding a huge part of it! We may never make it to 5 minute blocks :)
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Mined the #2 block, and got quite a haul after that on a small cluster. Cloud mining is bringing in the PTS now.
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The poll needs better data points. Someone like bytemaster owns tens of thousands of PTS and clubbing them with someone with 1000 doesn't accurately capture the amounts. Needs to be a little more logarithmic towards the higher end, I think
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I believe Donschoe said the largest wallets he'd seen had about 20k in them. I can confirm I did single buyer orders at 20k quantities when the price was .003-.004 to individuals who are very unlikely to sell and are not affiliated with Invictus.
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I believe Donschoe said the largest wallets he'd seen had about 20k in them. I can confirm I did single buyer orders at 20k quantities when the price was .003-.004 to individuals who are very unlikely to sell and are not affiliated with Invictus.
Wow, that is 1%, like the Winklevoss brothers ;)
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Protoshares represent a unique investing opportunity in cryptocurrency as the first backed, revolving dividend bearing crypto.
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Seems like people have the idea that mining is no longer profitable because of the recent diff changes. Is this true or should i just keep on mining away? ;P
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You earn 3 times less for the next 2-3 days, decide for yourself - profitable is always relative to many factors like power cost, time, capacities and personal visions :D
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7 (I don't own a botnet >:()
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I got in on the first day and hit 2 blocks (100 PTS)
On the next block, I got 47.50 and a few days later I got 45.125.
So, my total is now 192.625 PTS
I went away for a few days...
Since I came back (and installed the new client) I've been CPU mining on a 2.7 GhZ Intel i7 for 3 days straight and I got Jack Shite. Nada. Nothing. Zilch. Zero. From what I'm reading here, the diff has increased so high that people are getting maybe 2 PTS now. Mining farms killed it already. Meh. I'm just going to stop trying.
Someone needs to develop a crypto currency that is CPU-only which doesn't allow pools or farms. There are too many guys out there with a metric shit-tonne of hardware. The average casual guy at home can't compete and it instantly becomes a waste of time.
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total currently: 0 >:(
botnet owners, and those with access to large cloud compute clusters who started day 1 seem to be the winners, after next difficulty change, I think ordinary miners can call it a night.
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Seems like it yes. At the moment it's hard to mine. Got 2 PTS around midnight for around 13 hours mining in beer's pool.
Got 5 computers running. 2 amd fx 8350 and 3 I5-3570.
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Seems like it yes. At the moment it's hard to mine. Got 2 PTS around midnight for around 13 hours mining in beer's pool.
Got 5 computers running. 2 amd fx 8350 and 3 I5-3570.
What hashrate are you getting with that 8350?
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131 hpm at the moment. As mentioned it's stock :S
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I got in before the last difficulty change (.0..12-51) and my current rate is 0.2pts/day. I just finished mining my first coin(~72hrs) and will stop here. I really like PTS but as I've said earlier, I clearly missed the train :(
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I got in before the last difficulty change (.0..12-51) and my current rate is 0.2pts/day. I just finished mining my first coin(~72hrs) and will stop here. I really like PTS but as I've said earlier, I clearly missed the train :(
This train has not yet begun to leave the station. Just buy some on the market :)
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I got in before the last difficulty change (.0..12-51) and my current rate is 0.2pts/day. I just finished mining my first coin(~72hrs) and will stop here. I really like PTS but as I've said earlier, I clearly missed the train :(
This train has not yet begun to leave the station. Just buy some on the market :)
I'm all new to cryptocoins anno 2013. I have no BTC and with BTC on the rise it's not the right time to buy just to be able to buy PTS. That's a lose-lose battle right now. I wish there was a USD->PTS Exchange available.
It's not anyone's fault, it's just a fact that i missed the initial launch and with increasing difficulty over time i won't even be able to mine a hundred coins in a year :(
I guess we'll see what happens.
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I'm all new to cryptocoins anno 2013. I have no BTC and with BTC on the rise it's not the right time to buy just to be able to buy PTS. That's a lose-lose battle right now. I wish there was a USD->PTS Exchange available.
BTC doesn't rise THAT fast, you can buy btc then pts in one hour or less.
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It's not anyone's fault, it's just a fact that i missed the initial launch and with increasing difficulty over time i won't even be able to mine a hundred coins in a year :(
The amazing part (for me) was that it took less than 2 weeks. I figured there might be some mining opportunities here for a few months. As soon as the professional miners stepped in it was like that Southpark episode:
(http://i.imgur.com/kRSACzI.jpg)
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It's not anyone's fault, it's just a fact that i missed the initial launch and with increasing difficulty over time i won't even be able to mine a hundred coins in a year :(
The amazing part (for me) was that it took less than 2 weeks. I figured there might be some mining opportunities here for a few months. As soon as the professional miners stepped in it was like that Southpark episode:
(http://i.imgur.com/kRSACzI.jpg)
I think it should be noted that most of the "professional miners" are normal people who rented a bunch of servers from amazon and played arbitrage between the prices and the value of PTS. I would challenge you to find me a "professional miner" with a dedicated farm of computers in their basement mining PTS, I think most of the bulk is rental from the cloud.
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A big fat goose egg here :)
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I think it should be noted that most of the "professional miners" are normal people who rented a bunch of servers from amazon and played arbitrage between the prices and the value of PTS. I would challenge you to find me a "professional miner" with a dedicated farm of computers in their basement mining PTS, I think most of the bulk is rental from the cloud.
Either way, it kills the interest level. On Nov. 5th I was all excited about this and looking forward to months of slow steady growth. Two weeks later it's all gone. The average guy at home has no chance and the interest level for me has plummeted. I figured all the new miners would be able to get a couple of thousand PTS to play around with. Instead, you have most guys with a few PTS (or none at all) and others hoarding tens of thousands and driving the diff up so high that nobody else can compete. Whatever. Have fun.
I'm out. I'll check back next year to see where this project is.
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I think it should be noted that most of the "professional miners" are normal people who rented a bunch of servers from amazon and played arbitrage between the prices and the value of PTS. I would challenge you to find me a "professional miner" with a dedicated farm of computers in their basement mining PTS, I think most of the bulk is rental from the cloud.
Either way, it kills the interest level. On Nov. 5th I was all excited about this and looking forward to months of slow steady growth. Two weeks later it's all gone. The average guy at home has no chance and the interest level for me has plummeted. I figured all the new miners would be able to get a couple of thousand PTS to play around with. Instead, you have most guys with a few PTS (or none at all) and others hoarding tens of thousands and driving the diff up so high that nobody else can compete. Whatever. Have fun.
I'm out. I'll check back next year to see where this project is.
I totally agree with you, I just don't see how you prevent people from doing that. If you don't require GPUs or powerful hardware than its easy and very cheap to rent cloud computing capacity. I think the only way you could do this is if you had people register to be miners before they can participate in the system and have per individual caps. Then you'd have botnets and cloud farms having to hire warm bodies to expand the number of human miner identities they can be maxing out.
Genuinely this is hard problem but I think we are making progress through experiments like PTS
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Everyone who was following our news letters and company closely and started mining within the first 24 hours has at least one block worth $300.
Everyone who started mining in the second day probably has half a block worth $150
Everyone who started mining in the third day probably has a quarter a block worth $75
I don't know about you, but that seems like a pretty good deal, especially when PTS reaches the market cap of Mastercoin you can add a 0 on to each of the above numbers.
Sure you may only get 1 PTS per day now, but in a month that will be like $60/day if you hold it. I would wager that if you mine consistently for the next month you will have at least $500 worth of PTS per machine.
Also, as the difficulty rises the cost effectiveness of cloud computing falls which means that individual users can start to make money mining again. As long as your profits are above your electric costs you are good to mine!
Perhaps if I had shifted the decimal a few places you would feel better. :)
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Thanks, bytemaster. Seems like the forum could need your positive words :D
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I totally agree with you, I just don't see how you prevent people from doing that. If you don't require GPUs or powerful hardware than its easy and very cheap to rent cloud computing capacity. I think the only way you could do this is if you had people register to be miners before they can participate in the system and have per individual caps. Then you'd have botnets and cloud farms having to hire warm bodies to expand the number of human miner identities they can be maxing out. Genuinely this is hard problem but I think we are making progress through experiments like PTS
I say you base it off IP address or hash rate. More than X number of connections coming from IP? Banned. Greater hash rate than Y? Banned. Make it interesting for the small guy for awhile so that he doesn't lose interest in mining a new coin. Let the cloud farmers stick to XPM or LTC.
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Sure you may only get 1 PTS per day now, but.....
That doesn't bother you? To go from a decent amount mining to almost nothing in a time span of less than 2 weeks?
Botnets and cloud farms are going to kill small cryptos. Most people are looking to get in on the ground floor of something. If you give them diddly squat why should they care? I can't compete against some cloud farmer. Maybe I should join your mining pool and pay you a percent of my profits? No thanks. I'm going to stick with trading BTC / LTC and give up PTS mining.
Good luck.
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Sure you may only get 1 PTS per day now, but.....
That doesn't bother you? To go from a decent amount mining to almost nothing in a time span of less than 2 weeks?
Botnets and cloud farms are going to kill small cryptos. Most people are looking to get in on the ground floor of something. If you give them diddly squat why should they care? I can't compete against some cloud farmer. Maybe I should join your mining pool and pay you a percent of my profits? No thanks. I'm going to stick with trading BTC / LTC and give up PTS mining.
Good luck.
Great! More opportunity for the other miners :) If you cannot tell that these are undervalued by about 10x right now and buying them up then I cannot help you.
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I found 2 blocks on my first ~3-4 days of mining Protoshares, but nothing in the last week or so, but ah well, I can't complain, especially with how the value is doing already :)
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I found 2 blocks on my first ~3-4 days of mining Protoshares, but nothing in the last week or so, but ah well, I can't complain, especially with how the value is doing already :)
Yeah, a free $1000 for you :)
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I found 2 blocks on my first ~3-4 days of mining Protoshares, but nothing in the last week or so, but ah well, I can't complain, especially with how the value is doing already :)
I wish I caught this on its first few days but caught alittle earlier than alot others and made a small but nice amount of PTS. My plan is to hold onto them as a long term investment. Will continue mining when PTS value hit 20$ hoping really soon.
@bytemaster
People using cloud mining might not stop mining as alot of people aren't selling their PTS right now instead the money they are spending on cloud mining is sort of a long term investment hoping PTS follows in BTC footsteps.
I believe it will in just 2 weeks PTS value is double LTC and its still possible to mine on your computer with difficulty being relatively low compared to the difficulty of BTC and LTC.