Give us your previous username(s) on this forum or get lost.
Give us your previous username(s) on this forum or get lost.
Wait, what?
50 miners elected by the sparkles + 50 workers?
Can you provide more info about this delegated mining?
Wait, what?
50 miners elected by the sparkles + 50 workers?
Can you provide more info about this delegated mining?
Mining is't delegated unless mining pools are used. This is a pure Proof of Work coin. Delegates don't produce blocks, only miners produce blocks. They get paid to do work and broadcast feeds.
Have you thought this through? POW off pure transaction fees means not many miners = security issue.
He's just getting the warm bitshares welcome
He's just getting the warm bitshares welcome
He's posting as a newbie, signed up to the forum first time today. That is deceitful, and does not allow us to evaluate his previous postings for intentions, helpfulness, philosophical leanings, etc.
And without first bouncing his ideas off of the community, he is "looking for help creating the logo and a web page for Sparkle" on the main Discussion page of the Bitsharestalk forum at a time when we are attempting to concentrate community members efforts and attention on BTS marketing.
There is a sub Board called: Third Party DACs
Not everyone who posts on the Bitsharestalk.org forum has the best for the BitShares community as his motivation.
He's just getting the warm bitshares welcome
He's posting as a newbie, signed up to the forum first time today. That is deceitful, and does not allow us to evaluate his previous postings for intentions, helpfulness, philosophical leanings, etc.
And without first bouncing his ideas off of the community, he is "looking for help creating the logo and a web page for Sparkle" on the main Discussion page of the Bitsharestalk forum at a time when we are attempting to concentrate community members efforts and attention on BTS marketing.
There is a sub Board called: Third Party DACs
Not everyone who posts on the Bitsharestalk.org forum has the best for the BitShares community as his motivation.
He's just getting the warm bitshares welcome
He's posting as a newbie, signed up to the forum first time today. That is deceitful, and does not allow us to evaluate his previous postings for intentions, helpfulness, philosophical leanings, etc.
And without first bouncing his ideas off of the community, he is "looking for help creating the logo and a web page for Sparkle" on the main Discussion page of the Bitsharestalk forum at a time when we are attempting to concentrate community members efforts and attention on BTS marketing.
There is a sub Board called: Third Party DACs
Not everyone who posts on the Bitsharestalk.org forum has the best for the BitShares community as his motivation.
He's just getting the warm bitshares welcome
He's posting as a newbie, signed up to the forum first time today. That is deceitful, and does not allow us to evaluate his previous postings for intentions, helpfulness, philosophical leanings, etc.
And without first bouncing his ideas off of the community, he is "looking for help creating the logo and a web page for Sparkle" on the main Discussion page of the Bitsharestalk forum at a time when we are attempting to concentrate community members efforts and attention on BTS marketing.
There is a sub Board called: Third Party DACs
Not everyone who posts on the Bitsharestalk.org forum has the best for the BitShares community as his motivation.
DPOS is the blood, sweat, toil, and tears that forged bitshares. "Introduce?" No, I wont let myself be introduced.. I won't shake your hand, I won't look you in the eye... if this was the inquisition, you'd be burned at the stake.
He's just getting the warm bitshares welcome
He's posting as a newbie, signed up to the forum first time today. That is deceitful, and does not allow us to evaluate his previous postings for intentions, helpfulness, philosophical leanings, etc.
And without first bouncing his ideas off of the community, he is "looking for help creating the logo and a web page for Sparkle" on the main Discussion page of the Bitsharestalk forum at a time when we are attempting to concentrate community members efforts and attention on BTS marketing.
There is a sub Board called: Third Party DACs
Not everyone who posts on the Bitsharestalk.org forum has the best for the BitShares community as his motivation.
I think you're trying to cover for your hostility by pointing out there is a 3rd party dac sub-forum. You told him to "get lost" originally when you should have said "This should be posted in the third party DAC sub-forum".
It is exactly this type of thinking that justifies the creation of a completely new PTS forum which Alphabar & crew have done.
DPOS is the blood, sweat, toil, and tears that forged bitshares. "Introduce?" No, I wont let myself be introduced.. I won't shake your hand, I won't look you in the eye... if this was the inquisition, you'd be burned at the stake.
Wow... DPOS is just as much a religion as POW.
DPOS is the blood, sweat, toil, and tears that forged bitshares. "Introduce?" No, I wont let myself be introduced.. I won't shake your hand, I won't look you in the eye... if this was the inquisition, you'd be burned at the stake.
Wow... DPOS is just as much a religion as POW.
If you can't judge him by his posting history, then you'll just have to judge the ideas and code divorced from the person. I wonder if there was another project that had that condition? Maybe started a half decade back.
You seem to have very strong feelings about a person you've never met and know very little about. And the bitshares people wonder why they have such a small exclusive community. Tell me again how ethereum is a computer science experiment with no technical value that bitshares could replicate almost immediately. Did Dan say that before or after claiming vitalik wanted to partner with you guys and adopt DPOS? Getting hard to remember these days.
Here's my fundamental frustration. There are some here who approach every outside project from the perspective that they are fundamentally flawed both economically and technologically, the products of hard work like media exposure are the consequences of special NWO connections, and when a project is radically more successful than yours it's just somehow because the world isn't enlightened enough or just all marketing.And you gonna change that by this post of yours how? Other than opening our eyes to the great truth you are here to deliver, which otherwise we are too blind to see?
A lot of you have invested a huge amount of time and money into the idea of bitshares. Are you really happy with the progress that has been made, the ad hoc decision making process, and the lack of effective communication? Maybe there is a reason why bitshares doesn't get as much media exposure as the 2.0s and it doesn't involve a conspiracy?
Here's my fundamental frustration. There are some here who approach every outside project from the perspective that they are fundamentally flawed both economically and technologically, the products of hard work like media exposure are the consequences of special NWO connections, and when a project is radically more successful than yours it's just somehow because the world isn't enlightened enough or just all marketing.
A lot of you have invested a huge amount of time and money into the idea of bitshares. Are you really happy with the progress that has been made, the ad hoc decision making process, and the lack of effective communication? Maybe there is a reason why bitshares doesn't get as much media exposure as the 2.0s and it doesn't involve a conspiracy?
Here's my fundamental frustration. There are some here who approach every outside project from the perspective that they are fundamentally flawed both economically and technologically, the products of hard work like media exposure are the consequences of special NWO connections, and when a project is radically more successful than yours it's just somehow because the world isn't enlightened enough or just all marketing.And you gonna change that by this post of yours how? Other than opening our eyes to the great truth you are here to deliver, which otherwise we are too blind to see?
A lot of you have invested a huge amount of time and money into the idea of bitshares. Are you really happy with the progress that has been made, the ad hoc decision making process, and the lack of effective communication? Maybe there is a reason why bitshares doesn't get as much media exposure as the 2.0s and it doesn't involve a conspiracy?
Plz link it here for everyone
Here's my fundamental frustration. There are some here who approach every outside project from the perspective that they are fundamentally flawed both economically and technologically, the products of hard work like media exposure are the consequences of special NWO connections, and when a project is radically more successful than yours it's just somehow because the world isn't enlightened enough or just all marketing.
A lot of you have invested a huge amount of time and money into the idea of bitshares. Are you really happy with the progress that has been made, the ad hoc decision making process, and the lack of effective communication? Maybe there is a reason why bitshares doesn't get as much media exposure as the 2.0s and it doesn't involve a conspiracy?
Ahhh there is the manipulative Charles we know and .... Was wondering where he went. Just biding his time to start it up again.
Like you are frustrated with this forum. Cut out the horseshit.
Here's my fundamental frustration. There are some here who approach every outside project from the perspective that they are fundamentally flawed both economically and technologically, the products of hard work like media exposure are the consequences of special NWO connections, and when a project is radically more successful than yours it's just somehow because the world isn't enlightened enough or just all marketing.
A lot of you have invested a huge amount of time and money into the idea of bitshares. Are you really happy with the progress that has been made, the ad hoc decision making process, and the lack of effective communication? Maybe there is a reason why bitshares doesn't get as much media exposure as the 2.0s and it doesn't involve a conspiracy?
Ahhh there is the manipulative Charles we know and .... Was wondering where he went. Just biding his time to start it up again.
Like you are frustrated with this forum. Cut out the horseshit.
Honestly, the only horseshit I see is seeping out the back end of the high horse you are sitting on. The dude has valid points.
The Ad hoc decisions by I3 have done irreparable short term damage.
"One guy" attacks and somehow Charles is the bad guy for pointing it out. Yet, there is precedence for the lynch mob mentality here not only directed at Charles, but many others too. Not to mention your quick step up on to the hate wagon.
Quit pushing people away and invest your time in bringing them in. 7 billion people out there and you act like Charles Hoskinson and Adam Levine are the only two people who see flaws in the Bitshares Community. The vocal majority here are constantly stuck in tunnel vision and faux reality that unless your wave the palm palms for Bitshares you are an enemy. Outside opinions and counter opinions should always be welcome. If those opinions hold no weight, they will get buried in the forum and cease to be anything more than unnecessary ramblings.
I just received a PM:
onceuponatime,
You have received a warning for insulting other users in this thread https://bitsharestalk.org/index.php?topic=11634.msg153163#msg153163 . Regardless of what happened, please abide to the forum rules and be nice to one another.
Regards,
The BitShares Forum Team.
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Since I am absolutely without an inkling of how I have transgressed forum rules, I will have to make this my last post (I was unable to respond to the PM - apparently "BitShares Forum" doesn't accept replies ).
+5%He's just getting the warm bitshares welcome
He's posting as a newbie, signed up to the forum first time today. That is deceitful, and does not allow us to evaluate his previous postings for intentions, helpfulness, philosophical leanings, etc.
And without first bouncing his ideas off of the community, he is "looking for help creating the logo and a web page for Sparkle" on the main Discussion page of the Bitsharestalk forum at a time when we are attempting to concentrate community members efforts and attention on BTS marketing.
There is a sub Board called: Third Party DACs
Not everyone who posts on the Bitsharestalk.org forum has the best for the BitShares community as his motivation.
You assume I have posted here before without any evidence that I am anything more than a lurker.
I have a large stake in BTS and noticed there was a market segment that wasn't being met and that BTS could not meet so I thought I would launch a product to fill the void and allow AGS/PTS holders to capture what ever value the market places on a POW version of BTS.
If POW is doomed to fail then this project is no threat to BTS. I happen to think that POW is here for a while and that a POW version of BTS properly promoted to the mining faithful will gain a relatively high market cap.
Here's my fundamental frustration. There are some here who approach every outside project from the perspective that they are fundamentally flawed both economically and technologically, the products of hard work like media exposure are the consequences of special NWO connections, and when a project is radically more successful than yours it's just somehow because the world isn't enlightened enough or just all marketing.I agree that many in here are arrogant and harsh to people with a non bitshares perspective and I think that is totally unproductive for the bitshares community because it does not allow a good content focused discussion (instead the discussions become personal like this one)!
A lot of you have invested a huge amount of time and money into the idea of bitshares. Are you really happy with the progress that has been made, the ad hoc decision making process, and the lack of effective communication? Maybe there is a reason why bitshares doesn't get as much media exposure as the 2.0s and it doesn't involve a conspiracy?
I just received a PM:I appreciate it that some moderator has taken the initiative to send you that message. Your rude and personally insulting behavior certainly is not in the interest of the community because it detracts the attention of people away from the content and onto personal and moral issues as you can see.
onceuponatime,
You have received a warning for insulting other users in this thread https://bitsharestalk.org/index.php?topic=11634.msg153163#msg153163 . Regardless of what happened, please abide to the forum rules and be nice to one another.
Regards,
The BitShares Forum Team.
***************************************************************
Since I am absolutely without an inkling of how I have transgressed forum rules, I will have to make this my last post (I was unable to respond to the PM - apparently "BitShares Forum" doesn't accept replies ).
Give us your previous username(s) on this forum or get lost.If you don't think that was rude, I don't know what is. You could have just said: In case you have been active on this forum before it would help to know your user name so I can make more sense of where your wanna go with this.
We make a great mistake if we see the materilalization of bitshares technology (DPOS, BitAssets etc.) as an ultimate truth. They are a means to an end and should be treated like this!DPOS is the blood, sweat, toil, and tears that forged bitshares. "Introduce?" No, I wont let myself be introduced.. I won't shake your hand, I won't look you in the eye... if this was the inquisition, you'd be burned at the stake.
Wow... DPOS is just as much a religion as POW.
+5%He's just getting the warm bitshares welcome
He's posting as a newbie, signed up to the forum first time today. That is deceitful, and does not allow us to evaluate his previous postings for intentions, helpfulness, philosophical leanings, etc.
And without first bouncing his ideas off of the community, he is "looking for help creating the logo and a web page for Sparkle" on the main Discussion page of the Bitsharestalk forum at a time when we are attempting to concentrate community members efforts and attention on BTS marketing.
There is a sub Board called: Third Party DACs
Not everyone who posts on the Bitsharestalk.org forum has the best for the BitShares community as his motivation.
You assume I have posted here before without any evidence that I am anything more than a lurker.
I have a large stake in BTS and noticed there was a market segment that wasn't being met and that BTS could not meet so I thought I would launch a product to fill the void and allow AGS/PTS holders to capture what ever value the market places on a POW version of BTS.
If POW is doomed to fail then this project is no threat to BTS. I happen to think that POW is here for a while and that a POW version of BTS properly promoted to the mining faithful will gain a relatively high market cap.
I was confused by onceuponatime's post too. He made assumption's about you he couldn't verify and judged you based on that.Here's my fundamental frustration. There are some here who approach every outside project from the perspective that they are fundamentally flawed both economically and technologically, the products of hard work like media exposure are the consequences of special NWO connections, and when a project is radically more successful than yours it's just somehow because the world isn't enlightened enough or just all marketing.I agree that many in here are arrogant and harsh to people with a non bitshares perspective and I think that is totally unproductive for the bitshares community because it does not allow a good content focused discussion (instead the discussions become personal like this one)!
A lot of you have invested a huge amount of time and money into the idea of bitshares. Are you really happy with the progress that has been made, the ad hoc decision making process, and the lack of effective communication? Maybe there is a reason why bitshares doesn't get as much media exposure as the 2.0s and it doesn't involve a conspiracy?
I would encourage you (charles) to not generalize the attitude of some forum members onto "the community". If it are some that behave like you described say it so ("some on this forum").I just received a PM:I appreciate it that some moderator has taken the initiative to send you that message. Your rude and personally insulting behavior certainly is not in the interest of the community because it detracts the attention of people away from the content and onto personal and moral issues as you can see.
onceuponatime,
You have received a warning for insulting other users in this thread https://bitsharestalk.org/index.php?topic=11634.msg153163#msg153163 . Regardless of what happened, please abide to the forum rules and be nice to one another.
Regards,
The BitShares Forum Team.
***************************************************************
Since I am absolutely without an inkling of how I have transgressed forum rules, I will have to make this my last post (I was unable to respond to the PM - apparently "BitShares Forum" doesn't accept replies ).Give us your previous username(s) on this forum or get lost.If you don't think that was rude, I don't know what is. You could have just said: In case you have been active on this forum before it would help to know your user name so I can make more sense of where your wanna go with this.We make a great mistake if we see the materilalization of bitshares technology (DPOS, BitAssets etc.) as an ultimate truth. They are a means to an end and should be treated like this!DPOS is the blood, sweat, toil, and tears that forged bitshares. "Introduce?" No, I wont let myself be introduced.. I won't shake your hand, I won't look you in the eye... if this was the inquisition, you'd be burned at the stake.
Wow... DPOS is just as much a religion as POW.
It is the mistake that is killing the Bitcoin community atm. They stop thinking rationally and ahead and instead have "hope" in a person (satoshi) and made a religion of what that prophet/satoshi has "given to them" (POW). Instead be friendly to those that "are against your religion" and appreciate what you can learn from their different perspective!
On the content :) I love the OP's proposal and think it brings GREAT VALUE to the community because it will introduce many ideas bitshares has come up with to the Bitcoin/POW community!
I can't argue with your analysis. You are right that I have made some assumptions without proof. They were based only on gut feelings and a lifetime of experience.
If you think that OP has the greater good as his motivation, rather than a much narrower focus on personal gain at the expense of the greater good (ie, FREEDOM), I can only suggest that you are basing your opinion on ZERO evidence (and possibly MUCH less experience than mine)
Sparkle is the first next-generation block chain built around proof-of-work but with all of the latest innovations provided by BitShares, including BitAssets and paid workers.
Sparkle uses the SHA512 hashing algorithm for proof of work and expects to change the proof of work algorithm based upon delegate consensus.
@all: let me know if sparkle should get it's own subboard section on third party DACs…
@all: let me know if sparkle should get it's own subboard section on third party DACs…
Here's my fundamental frustration. There are some here who approach every outside project from the perspective that they are fundamentally flawed both economically and technologically, the products of hard work like media exposure are the consequences of special NWO connections, and when a project is radically more successful than yours it's just somehow because the world isn't enlightened enough or just all marketing.And you gonna change that by this post of yours how? Other than opening our eyes to the great truth you are here to deliver, which otherwise we are too blind to see?
A lot of you have invested a huge amount of time and money into the idea of bitshares. Are you really happy with the progress that has been made, the ad hoc decision making process, and the lack of effective communication? Maybe there is a reason why bitshares doesn't get as much media exposure as the 2.0s and it doesn't involve a conspiracy?
The worst part is, *one* guy out of thousands attacked Sparkle. Cue Charlie.
He takes one data point and start extrapolating the behavior of a whole community over it. We've seen this same thing before.
@all: let me know if sparkle should get it's own subboard section on third party DACs…
I personally think it makes sense to have dedicated subboard section for sparkle.
As of tech description from OP, I honestly think that simple hashing PoW is not enough, especially taking into account SHA512, so I agree with FreeTrade on considering some more sophisticated PoW.
As of PoW in general, in some cases PoW is not entirely Proof-Of-Waste - good example is PrimeCoin. And designing good and useful PoW is non-trivial task by itself.
So I personally will follow sparkle development closely, and will support it with mining software when it reaches production/realnet stage.
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I heartily support this effort and this thread makes us look like a cult.
Please don't let anyone discourage you!
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I heartily support this effort and this thread makes us look like a cult.+5% +5%
Please don't let anyone discourage you!
+5% and see your competitors as inspiration and playmates that help make your own product better!I heartily support this effort and this thread makes us look like a cult.+5% +5%
Please don't let anyone discourage you!
I am sorry but I agree that BitShares seem to have grown a "cult" ..
Let me repeat again that we only have competitors .. not enemies. Nor are we at war!
I heartily support this effort and this thread makes us look like a cult.+5% +5%
Please don't let anyone discourage you!
I am sorry but I agree that BitShares seem to have grown a "cult" ..
Let me repeat again that we only have competitors .. not enemies. Nor are we at war!
The answer is pretty simple: If I fork what Bitshares is today and publish it here, on BTT and write a coindesk article, it would be completely worthless, aside from a few idiots that believe that I would be good at making this in anyway better than the original or at least fill some niche the original doesn't.I heartily support this effort and this thread makes us look like a cult.+5% +5%
Please don't let anyone discourage you!
I am sorry but I agree that BitShares seem to have grown a "cult" ..
Let me repeat again that we only have competitors .. not enemies. Nor are we at war!
If a competitor can take away all your work, put a few simple twists on it, and make all your holders poor...would you call it friendly competition? Business is in many ways warfare...
I wonder how Xerox felt when they showed a special someone the mouse...just to watch him take it and never give credit.
Is this competition? Or is this theft? We are all in a place where we are trying to reimagine everything...but how do we do that when the game hasn't changed?
I think the gift economy is the beginnings of this. I hope to see it come to fruition.
May I please keep a single thread in the Main Discussion part of the forum. Moving it here will have it mostly ignored and isn't really supporting it.
I don't see value in a PoW BitShares, but I see a competitor. I speak for myself, I'm not that much invested into the social consensus anyway, since I've not been here early enough in AGS/PTS. And from my purely BTS point of view, this is not a friendly project, just a new thing that will murky the water and the message if it is labeled as a BitShares project.
That's not a threat or anything, and I sincerely wish you good luck. I just happen to believe that this project brings no value, and I express myself here because I don't like how criticism is criticized.
If I fork what Bitshares is today and publish it here, on BTT and write a coindesk article, it would be completely worthless, aside from a few idiots that believe that I would be good at making this in anyway better than the original or at least fill some niche the original doesn't.
Charles is a genius but not at the things people see.I didn't mean to imply that that "I" i used in that post was the OP here! That was just a means of making a general point (in a bit a cocky way).
We now have Xeroc and Toast both calling this thread cult-like. Who would this cult be? Is it the poster onceupatime and newbie AG that make up this cult against sparkles? I'm genuinely confused.
Is it the anti-CH cult? CH has said dozens of things without any negativity aimed at him except for the back and forth between him and fuz. Thats their thing and has nothing to do with the community as a whole.
Charles and others have been quite good at planting this idea of a tribe/cult. It sticks. I'm not sure. If you challenge it, people seem to see it as reinforcing the suggestion. If you don't challenge it.. I don't know. Apparently the belief is it will go away, but I suspect they'll keep suggesting it.
Look, this exists on every forum. For some reason you guys are exceedingly sensitive when it happens on your forum.
And Delulo, for all your high-minded speaking I find it awfully ironic you call people idiots who believe in other coins. I'm not making a judgement about you being right or wrong, but maybe consider your own words more before lecturing others to such an extent?QuoteIf I fork what Bitshares is today and publish it here, on BTT and write a coindesk article, it would be completely worthless, aside from a few idiots that believe that I would be good at making this in anyway better than the original or at least fill some niche the original doesn't.
Anyway.. The Sparkles dude deserves a new thread. I think we can all agree on that.
I didn't mean to imply that that "I" i used in that post was the OP here! That was just a means of making a general point (in a bit a cocky way).
Gamey I did not want to make a reference to this threat or the people in here with my post! It was just a general (too cocky?) explanation of why I think that just copying and tweaking it a bit is not any competition. But I see how that might have come across differently in this context so sorry for that.I didn't mean to imply that that "I" i used in that post was the OP here! That was just a means of making a general point (in a bit a cocky way).
It has nothing to do with your use of I, but the choice of calling a group of people who believe in a certain type of crypto project "idiots". After reading and replying to your long pms giving me me the same spiel I come to see what people's opinions are in this thread and I see you calling a whole group of people idiots for a fairly harmless opinion. I don't know if I am supposed to post a picture with a facepalm meme or something. It is just amazing to me. The whole of this thread is.
It is one thing to say "Gamey/AG/onceupatime" do not be so antagonistic. That is reasonable. I know I like to argue. It is a weak spot of mine. Most people have weak egos and don't like to do it. I don't care, confrontation doesn't bother me. I realize it isn't productive in a lot of areas in life but forums are different. The main thing is to not carry grudges and ruin the rest of the forum. Thats when we start creating problems.
I'm not sure what to do here. The fact that the whole implanting of a "cult" has worked on what I consider some of the smarter members makes me a bit sad. Either that or I don't understand this thread at all. I see the same thing on any forum. You have a wide mixture of people. Some confrontational, some not so confrontational. That is a good thing IMO.
May I please keep a single thread in the Main Discussion part of the forum. Moving it here will have it mostly ignored and isn't really supporting it.
I say keep it here (or start a "fresh" one). It's a very interesting idea and discussion.
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To add to the off-topic conversation I skimmed through:
When BitShares takes off, we will be flooded with threads like this. It's a good thing.
A. It means BitShares has value and vision that's worth cloning or competing against
B. BitShares is more than code, it's a philosophy I want to spread. We must allow for creative interpretations and implementations.
C. Only thing better than a decentralized BTS SuperDAC is a decentralized ecosystem of decentralized experiments
In the long run, BTS is guaranteed to have many worthy competitors.. it's healthy.
If we work together, we will bring about the change that we want to see in the world faster.
TLDR: They copy us, we copy them, society wins.
I agree with you that a conversation between you/fuz/ag and charles should not be generalized onto the whole forum. I said that before in here.
3 things:
1. Very much support this idea, since you are sharedropping to PTS/AGS. If you decide to sharedrop some to BTS, you will probably gain much more support from the community since I think that most people's interests should be by now in BTS anyway..40/40/20 maybe to keep everyone happy? Please don't sharedrop to BTC, Doge or anything else. There is no point to airdrop to these demographics. The only reason I am not buying any RPCs is because they airdrop to other demographics other than our community and this will just create selling pressure upon launching since undoubtedly BTC,DOGEs will just dump them in the market...
2. This is a call for DEVs...I3 please create something that we can import AGS / PTS keys securely without the need to trust 3rd parties. I always wanted to play Freetrade's Lotto and couldn't because I didn't want with a 3rd party even if Freetrade is a well known member...We want as many as possible experiments like these to airdrop to our community without the fear initial shareholders to lose everything..
3. If I understand correctly the OP stated PTS/AGS as of 5th November. No point to buy PTS now since sparkle will not be airdropped to new PTS. Correct?
Maybe I'm too harsh on Charles, but I usually enjoy his posts. Last I heard he was working on lots of scala code (I was reminded as I was finding the thread). I'm curious how that is going.
Charles is a genius but not at the things people see.
QuoteMaybe I'm too harsh on Charles, but I usually enjoy his posts. Last I heard he was working on lots of scala code (I was reminded as I was finding the thread). I'm curious how that is going.
Over the past few months I've been going on a magic tour of a few categories of technology. Coming from the Haskell world, I've always admired functional programming for its simplicity and ease of multithreading thus I've been trying to catch up on the non-academic progress in the field. So far there's scala, clojure and F# as the major innovations. Haskell itself has grown a lot and does now have decent libraries for most anything. Scala and Clojure are connected to the JVM whereas F# is connected to .net. Since MS open sourced .net I've added F# to my list to review.
Second, I've been looking heavily at curveCP, ZeroMQ, Saltstack and nanomsg. I'd highly encourage you guys to spend some time with these technologies. They are both elegant and remarkably efficient.
Third, the remainder of my time has been split between a regulatory paper I've been drafting (https://docs.google.com/document/d/1xG1hkPbk0uuavjPc_gt_eWxEUbWM1SlsxNmhGdRIUtg/edit?usp=sharing (https://docs.google.com/document/d/1xG1hkPbk0uuavjPc_gt_eWxEUbWM1SlsxNmhGdRIUtg/edit?usp=sharing)) and reviewing graph databases. I'd like to thank the Neo4j guys. They've been enormously helpful in answering all my questions.
So yes, the Scala is coming along well.
Beware the name dropping. This is typical of Charles. Once you recognize the technique these types of individuals use it becomes very obvious that there is no substance.
What is the purpose of such a post? The truth? Anger management? It certainly is not constructive.QuoteMaybe I'm too harsh on Charles, but I usually enjoy his posts. Last I heard he was working on lots of scala code (I was reminded as I was finding the thread). I'm curious how that is going.
Over the past few months I've been going on a magic tour of a few categories of technology. Coming from the Haskell world, I've always admired functional programming for its simplicity and ease of multithreading thus I've been trying to catch up on the non-academic progress in the field. So far there's scala, clojure and F# as the major innovations. Haskell itself has grown a lot and does now have decent libraries for most anything. Scala and Clojure are connected to the JVM whereas F# is connected to .net. Since MS open sourced .net I've added F# to my list to review.
Second, I've been looking heavily at curveCP, ZeroMQ, Saltstack and nanomsg. I'd highly encourage you guys to spend some time with these technologies. They are both elegant and remarkably efficient.
Third, the remainder of my time has been split between a regulatory paper I've been drafting (https://docs.google.com/document/d/1xG1hkPbk0uuavjPc_gt_eWxEUbWM1SlsxNmhGdRIUtg/edit?usp=sharing (https://docs.google.com/document/d/1xG1hkPbk0uuavjPc_gt_eWxEUbWM1SlsxNmhGdRIUtg/edit?usp=sharing)) and reviewing graph databases. I'd like to thank the Neo4j guys. They've been enormously helpful in answering all my questions.
So yes, the Scala is coming along well.QuoteCharles is a genius but not at the things people see.
So my grand plan is to undo a company that I already beat in the free market? And to what end- sour grapes? I don't need to bash Invictus's reputation or character. Dan has already done a fine job by repeatedly changing the social contract, releasing buggy software, and making false claims about a partnership with Ethereum. Sorry just because Vitalik stays at your house doesn't mean he's going to throw away all the tech of ethereum to adopt yours.
What is honestly comical to me is how little you guys seem to understand about actually scaling a business and getting adoption. I'm not trying to be rude, but look at counterparty's progress compared to yours. At what point is there a problem? Also how many promises have to be broken before people lose credibility?
What is the purpose of such a post? The truth? Anger management? It certainly is not constructive.
Beware the name dropping. This is typical of Charles. Once you recognize the technique these types of individuals use it becomes very obvious that there is no substance.
Replying to prior posts.Sure :) But why reply like this (with this content, this perspective, this attitude)? Because it is "true"? :) Probably not. It is all perspective. I meant: What motivates your perspective?
Sure :) But why reply like this (with this content, this perspective, this attitude)?
that question was personal. vicious, i wouldn't say.QuoteSure :) But why reply like this (with this content, this perspective, this attitude)?
To quote Donald Rumsfeld: "That's a vicious question; I have no idea". :)
QuoteCharles is a genius but not at the things people see.
So my grand plan is to undo a company that I already beat in the free market? And to what end- sour grapes? I don't need to bash Invictus's reputation or character. Dan has already done a fine job by repeatedly changing the social contract, releasing buggy software, and making false claims about a partnership with Ethereum. Sorry just because Vitalik stays at your house doesn't mean he's going to throw away all the tech of ethereum to adopt yours.
What is honestly comical to me is how little you guys seem to understand about actually scaling a business and getting adoption. I'm not trying to be rude, but look at counterparty's progress compared to yours. At what point is there a problem? Also how many promises have to be broken before people lose credibility?
that question was personal. vicious, i wouldn't say.
but I can settle on that ;)
QuoteBeware the name dropping. This is typical of Charles. Once you recognize the technique these types of individuals use it becomes very obvious that there is no substance.
Thanking a database company for promptly and fully answering my emails is somehow name dropping? Jesus man, you all are warped.
CHarles you have no sense of humor! WARPED !!! You crack me up buddy. I think I'd like you in person an awful lot. Sometimes we are not near the person we seem to be on the forums.
Charles you have earned a reputation throughout the crypto currency arena. People from many different projects have interacted with you and had both bad vibes but also bad experiences with your manipulative techniques. You have a big ego and a way with words.
I have seen the conflict you have created everywhere you go. Ethereum, BitShares and all the way back to Bitcoin Magazine and the Bitcoin Foundation.
You have a reputation that is so throughly burned that you need to start over again from a very humble and cooperative position. I suggest you may want to go to a different industry where you are not known.
I don't know why you post here, but it is hardly constructive.
QuoteCharles you have earned a reputation throughout the crypto currency arena. People from many different projects have interacted with you and had both bad vibes but also bad experiences with your manipulative techniques. You have a big ego and a way with words.
I have seen the conflict you have created everywhere you go. Ethereum, BitShares and all the way back to Bitcoin Magazine and the Bitcoin Foundation.
You have a reputation that is so throughly burned that you need to start over again from a very humble and cooperative position. I suggest you may want to go to a different industry where you are not known.
I don't know why you post here, but it is hardly constructive.
That's like your opinion man >:(. Curious that you mention the foundation and bitcoin magazine. Sparkles is pretty close to Dan it seems.
I know people from all of the mentioned organizations.
QuoteI know people from all of the mentioned organizations.
Then you'll know that the foundation, bitcoin mag and Invictus were all connected. And Ethereum is its own animal. I'm doing just fine Sparkles and plenty of people want to work with me.
QuoteI know people from all of the mentioned organizations.
Then you'll know that the foundation, bitcoin mag and Invictus were all connected. And Ethereum is its own animal. I'm doing just fine Sparkles and plenty of people want to work with me.
QuoteCharles you have earned a reputation throughout the crypto currency arena. People from many different projects have interacted with you and had both bad vibes but also bad experiences with your manipulative techniques. You have a big ego and a way with words.
I have seen the conflict you have created everywhere you go. Ethereum, BitShares and all the way back to Bitcoin Magazine and the Bitcoin Foundation.
You have a reputation that is so throughly burned that you need to start over again from a very humble and cooperative position. I suggest you may want to go to a different industry where you are not known.
I don't know why you post here, but it is hardly constructive.
That's like your opinion man >:(. Curious that you mention the foundation and bitcoin magazine. Sparkles is pretty close to Dan it seems.
I was not aware of that. How were they connected? I am also aware of other individuals whom you have burned. Lets just say that there is a social network that tracks what you do and spreads it around in an effort to protect people from you.
Where is the Illuminati in this ? What do you mean "connected" ?
LOL.. damnit charlie. I want to smack you, but honestly that slap would have at least 10% less velocity simply in response to an epic quoting of "the dude".
Conspiracies theories much? I think dan is plenty busy working on a number of more Important projects than that of sparkles. I think, however, that sparkles has hit a nerve with charlie.. maybe he is playing the fiddle too hot? Regardless, im starting to like the guy precisely because charlie being so po'd means this is threatening to him.QuoteCharles you have earned a reputation throughout the crypto currency arena. People from many different projects have interacted with you and had both bad vibes but also bad experiences with your manipulative techniques. You have a big ego and a way with words.
I have seen the conflict you have created everywhere you go. Ethereum, BitShares and all the way back to Bitcoin Magazine and the Bitcoin Foundation.
You have a reputation that is so throughly burned that you need to start over again from a very humble and cooperative position. I suggest you may want to go to a different industry where you are not known.
I don't know why you post here, but it is hardly constructive.
That's like your opinion man >:(. Curious that you mention the foundation and bitcoin magazine. Sparkles is pretty close to Dan it seems.
SO how are they connected, all bullshit aside?
Weren't you part of Mastercoin too?
Conspiracies theories much? I think dan is plenty busy working on a number of more Important projects than that of sparkles. I think, however, that sparkles has hit a nerve with charlie.. maybe he is playing the fiddle too hot? Regardless, im starting to like the guy.
I hate these flame war threads.
And I for one enjoy reading Charles' posts and Im glad he is around.
I havent read this whole thread but OP is saying he wants to take a profitable company and make it unprofitable ??? One of the "latest innovations provided by BitShares" was getting rid of mining.
QuoteSO how are they connected, all bullshit aside?
One of these days, I'll do one of those Frost-Nixon interviews with Adam. It will be fun.
I hate these flame war threads.
And I for one value reading Charles' very smart posts and Im glad he is around here. I dont get why there is so much hate. I also respect anyone who is willing to put their real name out in the public domain and stand for something.
I havent read this whole thread but OP is saying he wants to take a profitable company and make it unprofitable ??? One of the "latest innovations provided by BitShares" was getting rid of mining.
QuoteSO how are they connected, all bullshit aside?
One of these days, I'll do one of those Frost-Nixon interviews with Adam. It will be fun.
Lets see. So Sparkles makes claims. You say this person is put up to this by someone, then you throw out these links to try and tie it all back to Dan. Why can't you just tell us what you are referring to? Come straight with us. Please.
QuoteSO how are they connected, all bullshit aside?
One of these days, I'll do one of those Frost-Nixon interviews with Adam. It will be fun.QuoteWeren't you part of Mastercoin too?
No never, and in fact I was one of the harshest critics of the mastercoin team. Dan and I endured a long debate back in I believe July of last year from J.R. and Ron on the Bitshares intro thread. Later, when I was speaking in Toronto, J.R. asked a pretty direct security question when I was speaking. I like David Johnston, but I think MC is a failed project and was poorly run from the start.QuoteConspiracies theories much? I think dan is plenty busy working on a number of more Important projects than that of sparkles. I think, however, that sparkles has hit a nerve with charlie.. maybe he is playing the fiddle too hot? Regardless, im starting to like the guy.
Fuzz, not many people mention bitcoin mag and the foundation. Even fewer remember that I was the first education chair and resigned around October of last year. I'm impressed with the digging.
But then I can't do a Frost-Nixon. It really ties the room together.
But then I can't do a Frost-Nixon. It really ties the room together.
As far as mastercoin I recall you seeming pretty buddy buddy with them.
Well if you are going to fling accusations and then make no effort to back them up don't go screaming like a girl when you don't like how people treat you.(we can be sexist in crypto there are literally 0 women)
Thanks for being so humble Charlie. I was expecting you to offer your own services... but such a humble guy you are.QuoteAs far as mastercoin I recall you seeming pretty buddy buddy with them.
Like when Ethereum stole two of their programmers :) Vitalik worked on both colored coins and mastercoin prior to creating Ethereum. He brought over some people from both projects when Ethereum was revving up. The other MC person I really got to know was Dave Johnston and yes I'm pretty buddy buddy with him. We both were in the Ron Paul campaign back in 2008 (Colorado and Louisiana respectively). That said, I was disappointed with the whole maidsafe affair. I also thought Storj was a better venture to back.QuoteWell if you are going to fling accusations and then make no effort to back them up don't go screaming like a girl when you don't like how people treat you.(we can be sexist in crypto there are literally 0 women)
Nothing would make me happier, but its a complex issue involving more than just me and now isn't the time for it. My criticism of bitshares, mastercoin and ethereum have always revolved around either changes to social contracts, ineffective execution or lack of community building. Honestly guys, you're paying 10 grand a month to a marketing guy who can't get you on Max Keiser. There are some wonderful people in this space who could do it for half the price. Nahan Wosnack comes to mind who was able to do it for free for Bitnation.
Thanks for being so humble Charlie. I was expecting to offer your own services... but such a humble guy you are.
Sparkle is bright as lightning. I welcome him a thousand times over.
Sparkle is bright as lightning. I welcome him a thousand times over.
https://www.youtube.com/user/ghostofsparkles
I'm hyped. Way better than this Rand Paul Coin IMO.
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I honestly think both will suck at the end, I am just annoyed that the community seem to care more about the POW BS.
can we lock this thread so the real thread can get traction please?
I'm having fun :D
can we lock this thread so the real thread can get traction please?maybe this thread should remove to other child Boards like "Third Party DACs"
I think the most fun I've ever had was when I was wrote my first python program. It was a choose your own adventure for the command line I wrote for my older brother.
It's really amazing all these years later that was the most memorable moment.
I'm having fun :D
It's really important to remember that we are all in this industry together and that we have to have a fun time. Sure there is competition, hard feelings, and at times tough decisions; however, that really shouldn't rob us of our humanity or love of the technology.+5% +5%
Bitcoin, bitshares, ethereum, counterparty, and other contenders are all young and have a lot of great life ahead. Anyone who claims to know the winners and how it's all going to turn out is either delusional or dishonest. It's about mixing passion with technology in the most effective way and hoping for something good. Sparkle I wish you the best and goodluck with your project.
It's really important to remember that we are all in this industry together and that we have to have a fun time. Sure there is competition, hard feelings, and at times tough decisions; however, that really shouldn't rob us of our humanity or love of the technology.
Bitcoin, bitshares, ethereum, counterparty, and other contenders are all young and have a lot of great life ahead. Anyone who claims to know the winners and how it's all going to turn out is either delusional or dishonest. It's about mixing passion with technology in the most effective way and hoping for something good. Sparkle I wish you the best and goodluck with your project.
depends on the definition of community .. if you think about PTS/AGS social consensus ... you might not think of spliting that community ..
though you might see different communities when it comes to tech on the chain .. especially once we see turing complete scripting and vote-able hardforks ..
Well said. And if this space is going to be as big as many of us think, then there should be room for more than one company/community, right?
depends on the definition of community .. if you think about PTS/AGS social consensus ... you might not think of spliting that community ..
though you might see different communities when it comes to tech on the chain .. especially once we see turing complete scripting and vote-able hardforks ..
I'm saying they can succeed in different spaces without usurping each others' niches. But maybe they'll all be greedy and do so anyway. Our community comes with the social consensus; anyone using this technology must honor that or they don't get us.
But then I can't do a Frost-Nixon. It really ties the room together.
Well if you are going to fling accusations and then make no effort to back them up don't go screaming like a girl when you don't like how people treat you.(we can be sexist in crypto there are literally 0 women) :'(
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