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I appreciate the gesture and the idea, but the current idea and implementation is much better.

到月亮!!

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General Discussion / Re: BitShares the Platform
« on: October 22, 2014, 03:51:39 am »
You will be rewarded extremely handsomely by shareholders as a paid delegate if you do something like this. Just look at how big corporations reward top executives with massive bonuses. We will do the same thing for people we can see have made us money.

Maybe but how can I be sure all of you agree to give me what I want. What if i want more ?:) With scenario 2 I don't have to worry.

If you are able to singedhandedly increase the market price by 50%, you will be paid anything you ask. Once you have proven yourself to the stakeholders, they will give you anything to have you stay on and get the price to increase even further.

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I propose that they are all used to buy up BTSX, and then burned.
Why? I can think of a million ways these funds can be used. Since BTS is going to have DCI I don't see how this will be of any use to the shareholders.

Burning them means distributing them equally to all shareholders. Once funds are needed for something new in the future, they are simply diluted into existance by elected delegates. There is no reason to take the risk of having an external entity holding the funds for us.

The plan has always been to move all employees to delegates and phase out I3.

Right, that makes sense. I think the formation of BTS will be the perfect time to do this. We will have an initial time of confusion where we can use this reshuffle to learn how to actually effectively manage paid delegate-developers, and then once we have it nailed down, we can begin to rapidly scale the development team and launch the marketing campaign. When investors see what we are doing and realize that they have full information, they will flock to us and throw their money at us - no other blockchain can offer them anything even remotely like this.

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General Discussion / Re: BitShares the Platform
« on: October 22, 2014, 03:44:05 am »

Sounds good really like the Bitshare OS analogy . But what about the following scenario :
 
  • BTS price is 1$. I raise money to develop my Dapp(not easy need to convince the majority of BTS network to get the funds...). I'm lunching a amazing Dapp let's take  Music as an example.  My Dapp is doing absolutely great let's suppose that it is the most popular on the Bitshare OS and maybe other Dapps are not doing so great. So now because of my amazing Dapps,  BTS  is worth1.5$. Because there is no such think as Notes there is no way I will make money out of Bitshare OS except if I own BTS( by the way those i should buy myself with my own money) and hope that different good Dapps are there to raise the value of the BTS. But what if someone is starting selling DaappCocaine now my BTS are going  down like  bitcoin, now I'm losing money.  As a developer the only way to make money it using the PeerTrack website.
  • Now same idea but as independent DAC, I clone Bitshare OS so I have all the goodies of the toolkit( I print my own bitUSD). I have no intention to go against Bitshare at all I just want to run my business and do one think well, sell music that's it. I pre-sale Notes  to acquire some founds classical style,( I may honor AGS/PTS holder just for the fun of it  :P). I lunch. Notes are going to the moon, the shareholders are happy my shares are not diluted by other non successful Dapps . I'm not is in danger of collapse because of dangerous DappCocaine.

Of course this scenario will not apply for every third party DAC but for some I thing will be an attractive alternative i.e A DAC like Music is special they don't need the network effect of the cryptoword, so they don't really need the network effect of Bitshare OS and BTS shareholders

Before you could build your own business, now you could only be an employee .

I use Music as a example not suggesting anything here.I'm also 100% absolutely in favor for the merger, because I thinks this is the best thing to do at this point in time no question about. We are to small to do it otherwise.  I just don't think this is the best solution long term. I still prefer the  of  1000 blockhain original philosophy model more than Bitshareum one chain model.

You will be rewarded extremely handsomely by shareholders as a paid delegate if you do something like this. Just look at how big corporations reward top executives with massive bonuses. We will do the same thing for people we can see have made us money.

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I propose that they are all used to buy up BTSX, and then burned.
Why? I can think of a million ways these funds can be used. Since BTS is going to have DCI I don't see how this will be of any use to the shareholders.

Burning them means distributing them equally to all shareholders. Once funds are needed for something new in the future, they are simply diluted into existance by elected delegates. There is no reason to take the risk of having an external entity holding the funds for us.
I think keeping them as an "emergency fund" would be wiser. The rate of dilution at the beginning might not be fast enough to be very helpful if something drastic were to happen. At the very least they should be used to make bitUSD stronger.

Who gets to decide what constitutes an emergency? We should rather have a way to rapidly implement hard forks to inflate the amount we need in case of an emergency. It will be impossible to know how much or how little is needed for an emergency any way.

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I propose that they are all used to buy up BTSX, and then burned.
Why? I can think of a million ways these funds can be used. Since BTS is going to have DCI I don't see how this will be of any use to the shareholders.

Burning them means distributing them equally to all shareholders. Once funds are needed for something new in the future, they are simply diluted into existance by elected delegates. There is no reason to take the risk of having an external entity holding the funds for us.

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No matter what, if one DAC wants to absorb another, stakeholders of the absorbed DAC will get to vote on it, and only if they choose to do it will it go ahead. They will then get awarded a proportional stake so their holdings will continue at the exact same value as before.

One would hope this is the case, but no such vote occurred in the DNS DAC and as of now it's being merged with the mega-DAC at less than half its market value.

One thing that is always sure in the bitshares world is that nothing is ever sure...

Sent from my SCH-S720C using Tapatalk 2

After this time, everything will FINALLY be sure, because there will be no more conflict of interest left. The creation of BTS is the dawn of a new chapter of this exciting saga (spoiler: in this chapter we go to the moon)

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I would like to see every team member on this page http://bitshares.org/community/team/ apply to become a paid delegate after the hard fork. It would greatly increase transparency and understanding of the average shareholder about what exactly is being done, and who is doing it, and will MASSIVELY increase shareholder confidence and demand. I don't think anyone has ever seen a company structure like this before, the level of transparency will be absolutely revolutionary. Once the entire team has been integrated as paid delegates, it will provide an excellent showcasing to new developers that might be interested in working for the blockchain.

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Obviously it should only be those who are actually working now, and being paid a salary out of AGS funds that should get on as paid delegates. We also need to figure out some proper ways for setting the salary that mitigates developers having their salary lowered if the price tanks.

Also every paid delegate should make a public "Transparency strategy" that they have to strictly follow. I think the best would be for each delegate to have their own forum thread and then posting a work report once per week, where they outline everything they've worked on in a way that is verifiable by stakeholders.

In fact they should have two, one in the public forum where they summarize, and one in the large stakeholder board where they reveal every detail of their work that is sensitive due to competitive or business reasons.

With this strategy it should be possible for us to scale the development and marketing team basically to infinite size, because stakeholders will be able to supervise and manage them extremely effectively.

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Okay so first of all, I'm so insanely exited for the birth of BTS!!!! It's going to be so freaking awesome, I can hardly put it into words. There'll be a new calendar, year 2014 = year 0. This is a complete gamechanger for humanity.

Okay, so on to the topic:

During the multi-DAC phase it made sense to have a centralized development team and an external funding pool to fund their projects and pay their salary. However, now that everything gets consolidated into a single blockchain, we can simplify and improve things tremendously, and we can drastically increase transparency. I want to stress that I argue for these measures not because I don't trust I3, on the contrary I have immense faith in them because they have really proven themselves to be absolute geniuses. Us, currently existing investors do not really need that much transparency, but these measures will be for new investors who will greatly value it, especially those coming from the altcoin community. With enough transparency, it will be so much easier for prospective buyers to decide to buy in, if they're able to see all the cards. As an investor that wants to see our DAC grow, I present these two measures I would like to see implemented:

Consolidate all assets and employees under the direct control of BTS

With the introduction of the revolutionary concept of share dilution in a DAC, we have gained an insane competitive advantage over any other blockchain due to the ability that we now have to rapidly fund development and marketing in a decentralized manner that scales infinitely. To ensure total transparency and optimal governance, we should have it as a rule that there will never be any middle men for paying salary i.e. any person who works full time and is paid a salary by BTS, must work directly for the blockchain rather than as a worker in some external, centralized management structure. With the introduction of share dilution there is simply no need for anyone to be employed by anything else than the DAC.

I would like to see every team member on this page http://bitshares.org/community/team/ apply to become a paid delegate after the hard fork. It would greatly increase transparency and understanding of the average shareholder about what exactly is being done, and who is doing it, and will MASSIVELY increase shareholder confidence and demand. I don't think anyone has ever seen a company structure like this before, the level of transparency will be absolutely revolutionary. Once the entire team has been integrated as paid delegates, it will provide an excellent showcasing to new developers that might be interested in working for the blockchain.

Also, now that BTSX has bought out AGS, that means we own 100% of what AGS donation are designated to be spent on. With the new capability we have to pay salary directly to team members, instead of going through an external entity, there is no need for these funds to be stored any longer. I propose that they are all used to buy up BTSX, and then burned. The only exceptions should be the funds set aside for the marketing push, and the funds that will be used to make the bitUSD buywall.

In the future, if a delegate wishes to raise a large, one time sum for a project, they should simply issue a user issued asset that is basically a bond for the project with a small interest rate. The bond will then be paid back by the delegate increasing their pay rate. This ensures that the DAC will never have to take on the risk of entrusting a single person with a large amount of money, but only people who specialize in judging risk will have to do that.

Create a forum for large stakeholders where EVERYTHING will be revealed, thus ending secrecy and implementing absolute transparency.

I have never been a big fan of the secrecy that I3 has had for stakeholders, but I fully understand they were necessary for competition reasons. However, now that BTS is maturing, I think it is time to implement a measure that will enable the community to have absolute transparency by proxy, through having independent people in the know. A forum for big stakeholders will allow at least a part of independent stakeholders to know everything that is going on, so they can relay to the broader community that everything is going well. As long as the required stake to gain access is large enough, there will be no chance that a competitor will manage to get in and steal an idea (if they bought that large a stake, they'd rather just collaborate). I'd say something like 0.1% should be the minimum to gain access to this private board. I think that eventually, when we have achieved the Network Effect, there will be no need for any secrecy at all, because there'll be no chance that people will choose to compete with us rather than collaborate.



As a shareholder, I think that if these measures were implemented then it would be such a HUGE value boost, due to the high demand for transparency, especially in the crypto world. It would really help cement the launch pad we are building to get ready for the marketing push and the Moon. People who are smart enough to understand will literally not be able to come up with a single reason why they shouldn't invest, or even bet the farm.

I currently own a couple million of shares, and the only thing holding me back from going all-in is the transparency. If I get a commitment that this absolute transparency will be implemented with the formation of BTS, I'll be making another huge buy. I'm just so insanely excited for BTS!!!! It's literally one of the greatest things EVER. We are shaping the history of the universe. I feel silly talking about the moon, we're going to the freaking GALACTIC CENTER.

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General Discussion / Re: IMPORTANT: Vesting
« on: October 22, 2014, 01:33:18 am »

It prevents the liquidity happy PTS folks from dumping crap load of shares at once and tanking the price.

The markets will be expecting it, so it won't be such a big deal.

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General Discussion / Re: Proposed Allocation for Merger
« on: October 22, 2014, 01:31:05 am »
I thought it was a priority to avoid a situation where an announcement gave someone an information advantage (meaning we were thinking only in terms of current % of market cap).

It doesn't matter anymore because the market has adjusted the price of all assets for this allocation. So any change after the OP would just be BM deciding which current asset holder (AGS, PTS, DNS, BTSX) gets more BTS... meaning this basically has to be the real allocation.

BM is a genius programmer and visionary.... But maybe not the greatest when it comes to when and what to post publicly on the forum :P

These kind of situations will be avoided in the future when we have matured as a community, and as a DAC.

Yes.  Unfortunately.  But that will mean you have to wait longer to get information to effect your investment decisions until the story has been polished and vetted.  This will increase the knowledge gap between insiders and outsiders.  Right now that knowledge gap is measured in minutes...

I'm not complaining, any small bumps we have now are completely irrelevant considering how insanely wealthy this will end up making us all. I don't think people complaining about percentages today will give a damn 12 months from now, they'll just be happy and proud that they were a part of bitshares before BTS even existed. Also, now that we have unified the DACs, I guess this kind of "conflict of interest" situation will never arise again, ever. Which is a huge advantage because then we can all just focus on working together.

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General Discussion / Re: IMPORTANT: Vesting
« on: October 22, 2014, 01:17:37 am »
We shouldn't change any rules now after BM made his announcement and the markets reacted accordingly. Any new allocation would just be a zero sum game of taking from one group and giving to another.

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General Discussion / Re: Lets just call it what it is: share dilution
« on: October 22, 2014, 01:13:12 am »
This is common in politics - each side picks a name that supports its point of view:

pro-choice vs. pro-life comes to mind.

So, I'm naturally going to call it Dynamic Value Infusion because thats the benefit I see for doing it and it describes the NET EFFECT you get from Value Added + Share Dilution.

But if you want to pick just half the story for your name to make your point, I recognize it as an effective rhetorical strategy.  :)

I just don't think that real life people will even see any problem with the term "share dilution". Real investors in stocks etc. are used to that term, and know exactly what it means and why it's there. Non tech savvy people will not know what it is, but they'll have no opinion about it anyway because they will not have ANY clue what's going on in the first place and every part of bitshares inner workings will confuse and scare them. It's only bitcoiners and people stuck in the bitcoin mentality that are completely freaked out by the term (despite bitcoin having INSANE share dilution). While these people right now are a significant group, they're also on the path to extinction, and thus shouldn't really be accomodated for any long term planning such as naming convention.

I just don't see any problem with it in the long run, and since it's already what everybody is saying, we might as well get comfortable using it. On the other hand, if we try to force a term on people, they might react by thinking we are hiding something or trying to trick them.

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General Discussion / Re: Lets just call it what it is: share dilution
« on: October 22, 2014, 12:49:13 am »
No matter what we "decide" to call it, it seems like people will just default to call it whatever is easiest and makes most sense, which will be share dilution. Language unfortunately isn't that easy to control :P

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General Discussion / Re: Proposed Allocation for Merger
« on: October 22, 2014, 12:48:25 am »
I thought it was a priority to avoid a situation where an announcement gave someone an information advantage (meaning we were thinking only in terms of current % of market cap).

It doesn't matter anymore because the market has adjusted the price of all assets for this allocation. So any change after the OP would just be BM deciding which current asset holder (AGS, PTS, DNS, BTSX) gets more BTS... meaning this basically has to be the real allocation.

BM is a genius programmer and visionary.... But maybe not the greatest when it comes to when and what to post publicly on the forum :P

These kind of situations will be avoided in the future when we have matured as a community, and as a DAC.

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