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He proposes the solution BitShares uses (paying trusted block builders who must maintain a good reputation) but doesn't attribute it to BitShares.

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Muse/SoundDAC / Re: Road map
« on: June 25, 2015, 12:16:13 pm »
I wouldn't be interested in recording or making music. I would rather be some what of a spokesman and helping artists & labels hop on board.

@cob
Is M.U.S.E. keeping the Graphene referral system, or a modified version of it?  Seems like for targeting artists specifically some modifications might be in order.

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Technical Support / Re: Membership levels and sub-accounts
« on: June 25, 2015, 02:39:57 am »
Maybe that's the way it should work, but that's not the way the code is now:

https://github.com/cryptonomex/graphene/blob/master/libraries/chain/account_evaluator.cpp
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void_result account_create_evaluator::do_evaluate( const account_create_operation& op )
{ try {
   database& d = db();
   FC_ASSERT( d.find_object(op.options.voting_account) );
   FC_ASSERT( is_relative(op.options.memo_key) || d.find_object(op.options.memo_key) );
   FC_ASSERT( fee_paying_account->is_lifetime_member() );
   FC_ASSERT( op.referrer(d).is_member(d.head_block_time()) );
...

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Technical Support / Re: Membership levels and sub-accounts
« on: June 25, 2015, 01:39:30 am »
Actually, after discussing with Nathan, there is no referral chain traversal.  I believe each account has two fields: one for the registrant, who must be a lifetime member, and another for the referrer, who must be at least a subscriber.  If these identities are different and the account is not a lifetime member, then fees are split between them.  Only lifetime members can register accounts, but when an account upgrades to lifetime membership it overwrites the account's registrant id with its own id.

Personally, I think any account should be able to pay to register new accounts, even if they can't receive any rewards for it.  I also think sub-accounts should inherit lifetime membership from the base account.  As it is now this is going to be far messier and more confusing than it needs to be.

Surely a free account can register new accounts? its just the registrar and referrer fields won't be updated if you don't have an upgraded account. ?  maybe I'm just using the wrong words now.

If thats true I can see how that might be a problem.

If I understand correctly, for all new free accounts created the registrant and referrer field are passed down.

The fields are replaced when the user upgrades.

As an example:
User A is a lifetime member and registers user B as a free member
User B has registrant = "A" and referrer = "A"
If B then goes on and creates a.B , b.B , c.B , i.a.B, ii.a.B , C , D , E etc  then all these accounts will have user A as both the registrar and referrer.

Then if later B decides to upgrade to lifetime member, only account B will have registrar = "B" referrer = "B"
all the other accounts would still have registrar = "A" referrer = "A" ????

I should probably read through this all again.  In some ways I can see how this might make sense but I'm conflicted.

To create a.B etc, I believe user B would need A to create the registration transaction, and then B would have to provide the additional signature on that transaction to make it valid.  This is because only life members like A have rights to create new accounts, but only B has rights to authorize subaccounts of B.

But yes, it sounds like if you don't optimally sequence your account creations and upgrades, you'd have to either pay for a life membership for each subaccount, or deal the frustration of some of your accounts having pointlessly higher fees than others.  Not the most elegant user experience.

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Technical Support / Re: Membership levels and sub-accounts
« on: June 25, 2015, 12:50:44 am »
Actually, after discussing with Nathan, there is no referral chain traversal.  I believe each account has two fields: one for the registrant, who must be a lifetime member, and another for the referrer, who must be at least a subscriber.  If these identities are different and the account is not a lifetime member, then fees are split between them.  Only lifetime members can register accounts, but when an account upgrades to lifetime membership it overwrites the account's registrant id with its own id.

Personally, I think any account should be able to pay to register new accounts, even if they can't receive any rewards for it.  I also think sub-accounts should inherit lifetime membership from the base account.  As it is now this is going to be far messier and more confusing than it needs to be.

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Technical Support / Re: Membership levels and sub-accounts
« on: June 24, 2015, 04:48:03 pm »
I'd like to suggest that membership status should always apply to the base level account and be inherited by sub accounts, rather than applying to each account separately.  Given that the base account can replace the keys of sub accounts, each tree of accounts represents a single entity from a trust perspective, and it would be terribly inconvenient to have different fees and rewards for different accounts created for organizational purposes.

The other question is whether rewards should always be pooled to the base account, or if they should be scattered across the tree according to where they were generated.

Thoughts?

If you pay the fee to register your own sub account from your member account, you will be collecting the fees from these sub accounts anyways and the effect is the same.  There would be no need to inherit membership status as you are already inheriting the closest upline member referrer(base account).   All free-member sub accounts would essentially be full members(assuming the same user) because 80% of their fees would be collected by the full-member base account.
This is only true when the base account purchases membership before any subaccounts are created.  For any existing Genesis accounts with subaccounts, and for any new users who create subaccounts and then decide to purchase membership later, the issue still exists.

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Muse/SoundDAC / Re: Road map
« on: June 24, 2015, 02:47:08 am »
Hello!

First time poster/lurker here, going to get strait to the point: Are you guys hiring?

This would be an absolute dream job for me working with Peertracks and the team.
Music and bitcoin are both my passion. I went to school for recording/engineering, I produce music, and keep up to date with the current music trends. I also freelance graphic design for the cryptosphere doing graphics for altcoins and websites. I have fell inlove with bitcoin and the blockchain since I first discovered it in 2013. I am a strong believer in the use of the blockchain and all the endless and new possibilities it has to offer.
I would love to help artists start using Peertracks and realizing its potential to be huge and putting control and profits back into their hands.

I currently work a 9-5 I'm not in love with. It gets me by financially but not emotionally. I would love to take my passion for music, bitcoin, and the blockchain and put it to good use everyday for a project I truly believe in.

-Chris

I can't say whether they're hiring directly or not, but there should be opportunity to work independently within the system.  I doubt the PeerTracks team will be doing much direct music production and recording anyway...

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Technical Support / Membership levels and sub-accounts
« on: June 24, 2015, 02:26:07 am »
I'd like to suggest that membership status should always apply to the base level account and be inherited by sub accounts, rather than applying to each account separately.  Given that the base account can replace the keys of sub accounts, each tree of accounts represents a single entity from a trust perspective, and it would be terribly inconvenient to have different fees and rewards for different accounts created for organizational purposes.

The other question is whether rewards should always be pooled to the base account, or if they should be scattered across the tree according to where they were generated.

Thoughts?

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General Discussion / Re: Roanoke Times Article
« on: June 22, 2015, 12:16:25 am »
Yeah, I think the reporter was struggling from lack of both technical and economic background.  Mostly the article conveys a sense of novelty and bewilderment.  At least it drops enough keywords for intrigued readers to search by though.

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Technical Support / Re: Will 2.0 have a client, or is it a website?
« on: June 18, 2015, 12:46:21 pm »
Core command line client and basic CLI wallet will be available.

Will it be possible to serve the website from a local daemon but still have it connect using websockets to the third-party wallet host server?

I really don't want my only GUI lightweight solution available at launch to risk my private keys because of a server compromise or SSL certificate compromise.

Yes

At first it should be pretty easy to run your own full wallet server locally, I would think.  It should only be a problem once transaction volume gets too high for your hardware and connection.

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Also, we must also let go in the belief in authority...which may take a few centuries.

Until then...Vote with your feet!

Awesome!  +5%

Although I seriously doubt ridding humanity of the belief in authority will happen in my lifetime, I think it could happen faster than a few centuries once momentum in the paradigm shift begins to move in that direction. You're right tho, in how deeply entrenched in our psyche it is. Here's hoping Larken Rose will live a long and fruitful life!

People went into the Wild West in search of freedom from authority.
The first thing they found they needed was a sheriff.

We will wind up needing a digital sheriff.

"Need" in order to accomplish what exactly?  What is the end in question, and does it justify the use of any means necessary?  When it's framed simply as a need, the implication is that the costs and consequences are irrelevant, because there's no other choice.  There's always another choice.

I think a legitimate government can derive just authority from the consent of the governed, but only if the governed possess the authority in question to begin with, and if they actually consent.

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Order book sharing between exchanges? I could put up a buy order on exchange A and get it filled by someone selling on exchange B?  :o

It's more complicated than that:

* You deposit USD on CCEDK
* You trade it for CCEDK.USD on CCEDK
* You withdraw CCEDK.USD to your bitshares wallet

At this point you can trade CCEDK.USD for any other token on the bitshares DEX. So in order for you to trade against another exchange's tokens, you'd need to have a market between (or a route to) CCEDK.USD and the other token.

</educated guess>

I would assume they're replacing the core of their exchange engine with BitShares, and turning their website into a combined web wallet and gateway.  So the website should look the same, but all of their trades should actually be on our blockchain and take advantage of that increased depth, without having to withdraw to your personally controlled BitShares wallet.  I'm curious if trading through their website instead of trading their assets through your own wallet will still mean trusting them with all the keys.

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BitShares PTS / Re: Interesting Price Action in PTS...
« on: June 15, 2015, 12:48:19 pm »
Did you notice that the volume is <$1000?

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General Discussion / Re: VOAT - Bitshares? Graphene? Smartcoin?
« on: June 14, 2015, 02:48:30 am »
Looks like they pay users for ad revenue.  If they could manage that using BitShares that would be great.

... And I bet they could get a lot of referrals if they did that.

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Technical Support / Re: How long is memo in BTS 2.0?
« on: June 11, 2015, 03:17:37 am »
Unlimited, but at a cost per byte, and it can be either public or encrypted.  I'll update with a source if I find where I read that...

EDIT: Here we go:
Encrypted or plaintext: https://soundcloud.com/beyond-bitcoin-hangouts/pt1-beyond-bitcoin-ann-of-btsv2-06-09-2015-dev-hangout-s3#t=40:30
Character limit: https://soundcloud.com/beyond-bitcoin-hangouts/pt1-beyond-bitcoin-ann-of-btsv2-06-09-2015-dev-hangout-s3#t=40:50


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