I'll throw my 2 satoshis in here.
First, I'm not a contributor or directly involved in this project. I do think it has potential, and it has brought new people to BitShares. I've personally talked with Jonathon at length of his plans for the bunker and the challenges he faces, but not this project. I have asked gentso about his take on where mineBitShares is going and if any solid plans have been discussed to mine for PM through cryptosmith. The number of delegates being asked for is unprecedented. I don't care who or what group is the recipient for such a large pool of delegate pay, they need to be accountable.
We have been given a glimpse of the upcoming model of shareholder approval of delegates / workers / blocksigners. The delegates in that model have specific duties and roles. Yet, I don't see any info about this in DSN's proposal, or any type of roadmap for how the goals listed on the proposal will be achieved. Why such an unprecedented push now? Why not wait for the new model, or at least be forward looking to what is coming and try to fit into that? As I see it, the idea of using multisig to provide accountable oversight seems quite reasonable and would make transition to the new delegate scheme much smoother.
On a "miner" note, the name change from MineBitShares to BunkerMining takes focus away from the BitShares ecosystem. Not sure if that's beneficial to BitShares or not. It could be, if more minors come to BunkerMining b/c they are put off by BitShares. Might be a way to convert those die hard bitcoin miners into BitShares advocates. Of course sha256 support will need to be implemented first. When is that planned to occur?
It all started here.. https://bitsharestalk.org/index.php/topic,16238.0.html << The push came from the community not from me. I was very clear about the changes coming in the not so distant future.. how distant it is still remains to be seen.. my best guess is going to be a good 2-3 months. That will be long enough for this project to wither up lose all it's miners and die. I stated what I was going to do with what limited resources I had, and only offered another way if they wanted to step up and support it. Before I would let any of the contributors send me their BTS I sent them a clear terms sheet with what I would be doing with their funds, how I would pay them back, and what would happen under as many scenarios and contingencies as I could plan for. Everyone agreed without any modification 100%.
As for roadmap Thom you roapmap-zealot you ... this was the document rgcrypto myself and other members of the community contributed to put together: https://docs.google.com/document/d/1RmKlLjuLehLUC88w5Y82B9CB_nh3dkkOEvjsYfejckc/edit?usp=sharing << I should note though that this was started with the premise we would have a market cap to support it.. as stated, that fell through, and I was forced to find ways to reinvent what to do with the scarcity of resources. Since it was created I have been in nonstop discussions daily with everyone to find more efficient pathways to make this a volume monster. Ask genso.. I was just talking to him today bout this. But either way.. nothing is going to happen without more funds... that much is clear.
What you say about the name change is correct about market penetration. The change in name was initially suggested by RGCrypto to provide consistency in the benefits to the mining pool and also to allow us to bypass some of the stigma that exists out in the mining community regarding bitshares.. particularly in terms of mining. Because some of our other offerings from the bunker related to this project will include things like rig rentals and cloud mining etc.. it made more sense rather than trying to link the existing brand. It also gives us an opportunity to recapture lost miners who tries us out but were disappointed and moved on. Existing users will not really care I think either way.
Hope that answered your questions.
Actually, after reading your post before the one that I gave a
to, I am questioning why you are not speaking to my points. Or why you didn't want me to put up a poll in the first place. You asked me for my complete backing...which you basically have had ALL the way from me (if you read into the past, you will see it was actually me who was first to express the validity of approaching this with MANY delegates to ensure YOUR success). So my question is...Why are you not answering any of my pm's so we can iron this out like adults?
Let's look at some facts Data...because apparently you want to question my agenda and facts prove my agenda without a shadow of a doubt:
1) I am not making
anything from the fuzzy.beyondbitcoin delegate (might be a surprise to most here, but I actually still do not make money from what I have done alllll this time for our community---way before you got here btw). Instead, I have made a team of people who volunteered to help for little to no pay for a long time, and have rewarded them how people like me never seem to get rewarded in life: by someone giving them good karma back for the karma they spread. Malevolence here at all?
I guess you can post a poll on it. <---or you can even ask the Beyond Bitcoin team!2) I and the team collectively have given 11.5% of our delegate's fees to the minebitshares project...so what "malevolent" agenda would I have here? To waste the 11.5% that we put in to help this project? Just to see you burn? Ridiculous. Take a deep breath, a chill pill and really try to think this over before becoming accusatory.
3) You asked me to really dig in and support this. My response: "Let's get multisig setup so I can
reasonably back it".
After which you responded (which I will not put here because frankly it was supposed to be private and I prefer to respect even people who want to slight me), I responded:
"Actually if you reread through my backing I stated that we could do it. So I will say that I would personally be more comfortable backing it that way, than if the funds just all were open. We should have a team of trusted people to ensure your original vision of minimizing the fund usage necessary.
We can talk. I DO want to help you. However you need to understand I DO have plenty of skin in the game. So there is naturally a need for me to be able to protect myself from the complaints that WILL come. Don't be confused.
Anyway, I'm not sure why it is such a problem getting multisig on the account. Better yet, I'll ask in a poll. That will give me the answers I need and we can get rid of this UNNECESSARY DRAMA."
4) I was the 1st person to express that we needed as many delegates as possible to get this up and running as a guaranteed success. You are the one who always seemed against it, saying "I want this to be profitable on its own as soon as possible". THAT is a respectable answer and intention. For that, you got my
good karma. If you hadn't acted that way, I wouldn't have even brought up my idea of the potential power of utilizing an army of delegates. But since you DID act that way...guess what, I brought it up and backed it. (Yet again...odd sort of malevolent agenda...)
4b) You once stated that you didn't want to use a bunch of delegates, but as it became obvious that it was the correct path, you seem to not want anyone else (even those who funded your delegates) to have any say over the funding? Let's face it, having many delegates for this
is a gift to you just as much as it is for the bitshares community. If(WHEN) this is successful, that means that the myriad other bitshares projects you have a level of control in will also gain from the prominence you gain. People will come to you as a BitShares Elite Member and you will also earn a LOT from the referral bonuses under the new proposal
If there was a single place that concerns me, ^this is it. Because you will become over time one of the very centers of BitShares' power structure. And that would mean you would have a great deal of power to vote me and Beyond Bitcoin out...even with THIS I have supported you.
5) I asked you if you would like to do a hangout this week to talk about your proposal...instead of answering me, you have ignored me and posted that I have some weird (irrational and almost self-destructive agenda). Why? This concerns me. Have you so little respect for me?
6) I have tried to set you up with people in the past to help you and form alliances that are synergistic yet also decentralize control. I even told you in mumble awhile back that I'd try to help you how I can. It was your choice not to work with them. Sure they could have been seen as "competition" but they also could have been a wonderful ally (depending on how you wished to formulate the plan).
7) You have not answered a question thom asked--true to his painfully honest character: "Just saw DSN's post. Whoa, DSN, why so defensive? Where's the fire? I sense some urgency, some rush to make a decision that I don't understand. Fuzzy has been v e r y supportive as I see it. I don't know, but
my guess is that for such a large pool of delegates he just wants to make sure as many people in the community as possible are on board with this. I don't thing ANY other delegate proposal has requested this many 100% slots -- ever, not even the core dev team."
^This is actually something similar I think I said to you in one of my private pm's earlier today when I
tried to chat with you offline (to which you never responded). I would like you to speak to this point...because it is precisely the point I'm trying to make.
8 ) Now to cap it all off: "
you are now venturing into manipulating public opinion about me and casting doubt on our bid for additional delegates". Urg......*deeeeep breath*.
Is setting up Multi-Sig for such a thing so big of an issue that we are going to cause such drama? Who is trying to manipulate public opinion? You ask me to put my ass on the line...I told you the conditions I thought would be reasonable for me to do it. And I NEVER expected the response I got...
*I'm sorry if I sound a bit frustrated...I sacrifice a great deal for this community and for you to turn around and try to give me
BAD karma for my good-natured acts to protect the community AND your project, just hurts. Plain and Simple. I'm actually going to take the night off after this*
-Edit: if you are stressed in your life Data, I hope everything is ok. I sincerely hope you understand my points and that you can appreciate that I am here first and foremost because I've seen what terrible things happen in the real world because of power structures that are allowed to go too far. I do this because in my heart I want to make a world where I never need to see anyone else ever blown up, babies with 3rd degree burns all over their bodies and the list is too long to describe.
Now do I want to someday find a way to make some money from what I'm doing? Yes...I have to support a family who supports me in my efforts here, so I'd love to be able to give something to them for their sacrifice, but that is not the reason for me being here. But I won't sell my soul or intentionally hurt others to accomplish that goal...
We are moving into a world where it is very important for us to be Introspective--and supportive of one another in our times of need. I am here for you even if you think I'm not--if you are in a time of need. It just saddens me that you seem to think so little of me as to say these things publicly without even giving me the chance to explain my position and stop this ridiculousness. If you ever need me, I'll do my best to be here for you.