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General Discussion / Re: NuBits
« on: September 25, 2014, 05:33:49 am »
Given the general arrogance of your project
NuBits isn't my project. I'm just here for the trolling. Looks like a success to me.  :P

I'd like to mention, though, that most of the world trusts the Fed to keep a stable dollar. Most USA citizens keep their savings exposed to USD. Attacks on Helicopter Ben, although fun, are actually in the minority.

EDIT: LOL, I got my Bens mixed up. Apparently Ben is a forum member here. Now, where's Janet?

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General Discussion / Re: NuBits
« on: September 24, 2014, 11:25:15 pm »
It sounds like you have two complaints, though:

1) NuBits shares are worthless because the system is borked
2) NuBits shares are too hard to buy

I don't think both of these can bother you at the same time.  ;)
When you debate with someone sometimes you can "take one of their assumptions as true" and then make your point using their own assumption.  That doesn't make you inconsistent... it just further harms the opposing argument that you can attack their system using their own assumptions without having to convince them of your own values which they have rejected.
Ah, I see. So, the stance is more like: "NuBits shares are worthless because the system is borked. And besides, if the system isn't borked, then NuBits shares are too hard to buy."

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General Discussion / Re: NuBits
« on: September 24, 2014, 10:26:09 pm »
... Start with what is criteria in selecting to whom you are going to sell a seat in this self appointed FED of yours, please?
Well, it's not my FED, haha. Only Jordan can answer that question. It sounds like you have two complaints, though:

1) NuBits shares are worthless because the system is borked
2) NuBits shares are too hard to buy

I don't think both of these can bother you at the same time.  ;)

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General Discussion / Re: NuBits
« on: September 24, 2014, 10:21:05 pm »
A slow fall toward 0 over a month?  Then shorts will have covered and bitusd holders would have sold for usd.
Forgive me for my ignorance: I don't understand Bitshares too well (yet). If Bitusd holders sell for USD, doesn't that mean that the entity on the other side of the trade is buying Bitusd with USD, so this generates no net effect on the overall network?

EDIT: Ah, you mean that the closing shorts are matched with the Bitusd sells? As here: https://bitsharestalk.org/index.php?topic=8390.msg120409#msg120409 Still seems like it could be a problem. If there is demand for $10'000'000 of cryptocurrency pegged to USD, but there isn't enough faith (AKA value) in BitsharesX to create that much BitUSD, what happens?

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General Discussion / Re: NuBits
« on: September 24, 2014, 08:33:11 pm »
It seems way off target to argue against NuBits by attacking the US Dollar. Again, if NuBits is as sound as the USD, then it is a raging success. That appears to be the entire point.

On top of that, the NuBits protocol can use its mechanism to peg tokens against any asset, even inflation-protected assets. If the USD fails, NuBits shareholders could create a new set of tokens within the same network to peg to the value of whatever currency replaces it.

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General Discussion / Re: NuBits
« on: September 24, 2014, 05:40:25 pm »
But lets assume for second that NuBits remains pegged to the dollar... and the dollar dies in hyperinflation... opps.   I don't want NuBits for the same reason I don't really want dollars.   
If the dollar dies in hyperinflation, most of the world will be badly damaged, and especially the USA. We saw what happened in the housing crisis of 2008. We are already exposed to the risk of USD failure.

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General Discussion / Re: NuBits
« on: September 24, 2014, 04:30:33 pm »
I'm not sure the goal of crypto systems should be to recreate the fiat systems that have gone before.
If NuBits recreates what the Federal Reserve has done since its founding in 1913, it will be a smashing success. An entire country (plus many others, via pegged currencies) have had relative stability under the US dollar. Of course, there are valid criticisms to fractional reserve, but the Fed's dollar has lasted over 100 years now. That's a pretty good run for anything crypto.

For most of that 100 year history a FRN was a promise to pay Gold or Silver....  demand for it is created by LENDING it into existence backed by collateral.   The collateral was originally Gold, now it is Mortgage Backed Securities... as the value of the collateral falls to 0 the value of the dollar will fall as well.   It is further backed by taxation which creates demand for it.
Good point. Dollars were backed by gold until Nixon did his thing in 1971, so I guess the Fed's actual magical hand-waving has only been going on for a little over 40 years.

Dollars are now backed by nothing, not mortgages. The US government has no explicit obligation to sell MBS for dollars to curtail inflation. Backing by taxation also means nothing: See Zimbabwe's hyperinflation, or Germany's from 1921 to 1924.
 
In the end, USD value is called faith. In that sense, NuBits isn't that much different.  :P

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General Discussion / Re: NuBits
« on: September 24, 2014, 04:13:13 pm »
I'm not sure the goal of crypto systems should be to recreate the fiat systems that have gone before.
If NuBits recreates what the Federal Reserve has done since its founding in 1913, it will be a smashing success. An entire country (plus many others, via pegged currencies) have had relative stability under the US dollar. Of course, there are valid criticisms to fractional reserve, but the Fed's dollar has lasted over 100 years now. That's a pretty good run for anything crypto.

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General Discussion / Re: NuBits
« on: September 24, 2014, 03:41:29 pm »
In 1980 when demand for the US dollar was in decline the Federal Reserve raised interest rates to the high teens. People were quite happy to buy dollars and treasury notes to receive these high interest payments. Far from being an unsustainable action, it saved the US dollar from hyperinflation at that time. 34 years later it remains viable.
This is a fallacious comparison. Paul Volcker's action of raising the federal funds rate from 1979 to 1981 had the effect of decreasing the total money supply, because the USA operates on a fractional reserve system. If a bank loans money in the USA, money is created. When it is repaid, the money is destroyed. This is completely incomparable to the NuBits interest rate mechanism.

A high NuBits interest rate results in a higher total money supply, not a lower total supply.

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