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中文 (Chinese) / Re: 关于STEALTH投票
« on: December 19, 2015, 05:26:04 pm »
我觉得不爽的一点,就好比你家门口有条路通往县城,本来不收费,后来有人造了条高速公路通往省城,设了个收费站,结果你去县城要交费了。
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Technically, the refund400k isCode: [Select]>>> get_object 1.14.0
Looks like the fund to this worker is "burned".
get_object 1.14.0
[{
"id": "1.14.0",
"worker_account": "1.2.90742",
"work_begin_date": "2015-10-20T17:30:00",
"work_end_date": "2035-12-31T00:00:00",
"daily_pay": "40000000000",
"worker": [
0,{
"total_burned": "1742631985322"
}
],
"vote_for": "2:65",
"vote_against": "2:66",
"total_votes_for": "21716971826670",
"total_votes_against": "7192913280182",
"name": "refund400k",
"url": ""
}
]
It's a bit high for individuals, however maybe merchants don't think it's high?Imo 10 BTS is still too high for a common Chinese user.10 BTS transfer fee for payments below 10 bitCNY is still a significant reduction over the current 30 BTS.
It cannot be too low because it will encourage people to game the system by splitting their payments into several smaller parts.
>>> get_object 1.14.0
get_object 1.14.0
[{
"id": "1.14.0",
"worker_account": "1.2.90742",
"work_begin_date": "2015-10-20T17:30:00",
"work_end_date": "2035-12-31T00:00:00",
"daily_pay": "40000000000",
"worker": [
0,{
"total_burned": "1742631985322"
}
],
"vote_for": "2:65",
"vote_against": "2:66",
"total_votes_for": "21716971826670",
"total_votes_against": "7192913280182",
"name": "refund400k",
"url": ""
}
]
Those that have an initializer of "0" are refund, those with "2" are burn.
An initializer of "1" would be a regular worker with payout to the creator.
No..This is because your fee pool is empty, so the transaction defaults to paying fees in BTS. If you want fees to be paid in FISTBUMP you need to replenish the fee pool.
Thank you. Is this how it works, the UIA issuer funds this fee pool originally or the fee pool is taken out of the cost of the UIA? And the UIA issuer must replenish the fee pool, which means they pay everyone's fees(?) using the UIA, when the pool is empty or they don't replenish the fee pool and then others pay the fee in BTS on their own. Do I have that right?
Can the GUI possibly show this up front in a future release? It's a bit confusing to see that you're paying fees in the UIA then on the next screen it's swapping to BTS. I did not catch it on two occasions. It also may rub some the wrong way like a bait & switch without some explanation in the GUI for why this is happening. Could some red text under the "Fee 30 BTS" on the confirmation page explaining "The Fee Pool for this UIA is empty and this Fee must be paid in BTS" be added in a future release?Submit a issue to github? https://github.com/cryptonomex/graphene-ui/issues
Interesting. Maybe something wrong with the genesis file?The memo key for that account is BTS1111111111111111111111111111111114T1Anm, and it appears to be the same for a few others I checked. I believe this means that it's impossible for anyone to read the memos.
Have you sent memos to collateral-holder accounts before?
Can you leave the memo blank as a workaround?
Oh, hmmmm, that's interesting. I had just assumed this was a completely normal account with a custom name. Why would it have an invalid memo key?
Imo 10 BTS is still too high for a common Chinese user.I like that your solution attempts to balance the needs of the referral programme with the need to be able facilitate, if not micro, at least smaller size transactions, like for example tipping. It is also simpler to implement that percentage based fees. Definitely worth considering.
I'm sure we can find some common ground and arrive at a simple solution that:
- respects both tipping/micro-payments and the referral program
- is simple for the users to remember and the devs to implement
- prevents spamming
The solution I proposed also enables some pseudo-regional customization, i.e. we could set the fee thresholds like this:
- for bitCNY: 10 bitCNY (~1.5 USD)
- for bitEUR: 1 bitEUR (~1.1 USD)
- for bitUSD: 1 bitUSD
And this way the Chinese users will get a bit of preferential treatment but without any real temptation to game the system.
So just this little item remains a mystery for me:http://cryptofresh.com/fees
"Price per KByte Transaction Size" - when does it apply?
I have a couple of questions regarding transfer fees for UIAs (and private MPAs):Half of the creation fee.
(1) A newly created UIA has 2.5k BTS in its fee pool. I know I can easily add funds to the fee pool but who funded the initial 2.5k BTS?
(2) Is it true that 100% of the transfer fees on UIAs (and private MPAs) belong the issuer? (as they show as Unclaimed Issuer Income in the GUI)No when fees are paid in UIA, some BTS (amount is defined by the fee schedule) are deducted from fee pool and paid to the network/referral program, and UIA paid to the issuer. Except the % market fee (by now) which goes to the issuer directly.
(3) If (2) is true, does it mean that:
(a) the BitShares network alows to transfer UIAs (and private MPAs) back and forth between BitShares accounts without getting any revenue for this service?
(b) transfer fees for UIAs (and private MPAs) are exempt from the referral program?
(c) the issuer of UIA (and private MPA) can set the transfer fee on their asset to any arbitrary level (or even zero) by adjusting the Core Exchange Rate?
(4) What is the meaning of "Price per KByte Transaction Size" listed in /explorer/fees?
Stealth supply is now little bit more than 10,000 BTS. That's very clear indicator that most people aren't willing to use the text based client. You might be able to do that but Bitshares is not only for you – are you even using this particular feature?Better GUI doesn't mean to change the underlying protocol.
If we want to grow, we need more users. If we want more users, we need better GUI.