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Offline Akado

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Does anyone have a chart showing Polo's volume evolution throughout time? Or about any other exchanges? Also when did they started leverage trading?

Same question for any other exchanges with leverage.

I think this would be interesting to know so we have an idea on what to expect if we implement Bond Markets. The potential for our current volume to grow.

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I put some CNY orders up on polo.  Anyone have a simple bot to keep orders up on either side of the peg?
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If anyone is in direct contact with Poloniex, we could use some help adding MUSE to their service.

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Very good point abit.  In contrast the bitusd market on polo seems much healthier.
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Polo now has bitUSD market
https://www.poloniex.com/exchange#btc_bitusd

And also bitCNY
https://www.poloniex.com/exchange#btc_bitcny

They're just not liquid. It would be nice if someone could move operations there.

If we were to create assets and close the internal peg we would see the external spreads reduced quite a bit
Chicken and egg?
Thanks to bitcrab, bitCNY premium is quite low. But why still no liquidity on Polo?

Thats the whole reason for writing a polo-style api .. more liquidity ..
Once it is tested and proven stable .. we could even build a simple to use market maker bot
However to run a market maker bot on Polo it doesn't need our new API at all.
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Thats the whole reason for writing a polo-style api .. more liquidity ..
Once it is tested and proven stable .. we could even build a simple to use market maker bot

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Polo now has bitUSD market
https://www.poloniex.com/exchange#btc_bitusd

And also bitCNY
https://www.poloniex.com/exchange#btc_bitcny

They're just not liquid. It would be nice if someone could move operations there.

If we were to create assets and close the internal peg we would see the external spreads reduced quite a bit

We can do it with the proposal to claim the fees right? That should help. Also with an API similar to Polo and a few more bots sprouting we should be able to pull it off. It will just take a while.
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Polo now has bitUSD market
https://www.poloniex.com/exchange#btc_bitusd

And also bitCNY
https://www.poloniex.com/exchange#btc_bitcny

They're just not liquid. It would be nice if someone could move operations there.

If we were to create assets and close the internal peg we would see the external spreads reduced quite a bit
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Polo now has bitUSD market
https://www.poloniex.com/exchange#btc_bitusd

And also bitCNY
https://www.poloniex.com/exchange#btc_bitcny

They're just not liquid. It would be nice if someone could move operations there.
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Bear in mind, Poloniex also already has the dollar stable currency, Nubits, which frequently does higher volume than BTS + our BitAssets combined.

Yes, but there are no markets denominated in Nubits. We would want BitUSD or BitCNY to be a base asset for markets on their exchange.

OK. I don't think without a radical solution to address liquidity, they could be convinced. Good luck though, it will be very positive if they do.

 What is average daily BitCNY volume atm?  (Edit: CMC just says 'Low Vol')

During the day in China there is about 10,000 CNY on both sides of the Yunbi CNY/ BitCNY market. I'm not sure about the volume on Transwiser BitCNY bridge, but it allowed BTC38 to accept (prior to the upgrade) individual deposits of  5,000 BitCNY at a time with a max total of 300,000 BitCNY.

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Bear in mind, Poloniex also already has the dollar stable currency, Nubits, which frequently does higher volume than BTS + our BitAssets combined.

Yes, but there are no markets denominated in Nubits. We would want BitUSD or BitCNY to be a base asset for markets on their exchange.

OK. I don't think without a radical solution to address liquidity, they could be convinced. Good luck though, it will be very positive if they do.

 What is average daily BitCNY volume atm?  (Edit: CMC just says 'Low Vol')


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Bear in mind, Poloniex also already has the dollar stable currency, Nubits, which frequently does higher volume than BTS + our BitAssets combined.

Yes, but there are no markets denominated in Nubits. We would want BitUSD or BitCNY to be a base asset for markets on their exchange.

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Bear in mind, Poloniex also already has the dollar stable currency, Nubits, which frequently does higher volume than BTS + our BitAssets combined.


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I'm sure they will decline to use it at first... Remember it usually takes a salesman 4 "pitches" before the customer buys.

Well then we have to get those 4 pitches in as quickly as possible

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How do you think we could best go about incentivizing Poloniex to integrate BitCNY and BitUSD into their platform? How else should we leverage our partnership with Poloniex?
You may point out that CNY/BTC pair often trade at a premium compared to USD/BTC, it should bring polo more Tx fees as there is an arbitrage opportunity.

Yes I was thinking that as well. I will certainly add that point.

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I'm sure they will decline to use it at first... Remember it usually takes a salesman 4 "pitches" before the customer buys.

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How do you think we could best go about incentivizing Poloniex to integrate BitCNY and BitUSD into their platform? How else should we leverage our partnership with Poloniex?
You may point out that CNY/BTC pair often trade at a premium compared to USD/BTC, it should bring polo more Tx fees as there is an arbitrage opportunity.
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Poloniex is an altcoin exchange that provides the largest source of BTS liquidity. For the most part its markets are denominated in BTC, however, it has recently integrated Tether USD (USDT) which allows users to better manage their portfolio risk on Poloniex. The USDT markets are not a substantial point of volume, but it provides the only stable currency traded on the exchange.

Since Poloniex is a US based company and must comply with costly money transmitting regulations it is far easier for them to use stable crypto currencies to provide crypto to fiat exchange. BitUSD is an alternative solution that can be used to circumvent costly regulations while also providing a trading experience comparable to larger exchanges that have fiat deposits.

USDT does have several advantages over BitUSD at the moment. USDT is pegged at $1 while the price of BitUSD fluctuates with the market (this can be solved by getting more liquidity into the BitUSD market through bridges like Transwiser). The other advantage that USDT has is that it is already used on other exchanges, Bitfinex, being the major exchange that supports USDT. It would not be difficult for Poloniex to support BitUSD. At the moment, however, it might not provide any advantages over USDT except for faster payment confirmation.

BitCNY could provide many advantages over USDT. Firstly, BitCNY is pegged by the market to the value of CNY. It is our most liquid bitasset, considering both internal and external liquidity. BitCNY would provide poloniex with an additional fiat currency that could be traded against on their platform - one that tether does not support. Additionally, BitCNY would also give Poloniex exposure to the chinese markets and allow them to more easily capture a share of Btc38 and Yunbi users who would like to use margin trading, but cannot because these services are not offered on either of these exchanges. In the same way that USDT connects Poloniex to exchanges like Bitfinex and Cryptsy, BitCNY would connect Poloniex to the aforementioned Chinese exchanges. The exposure to the Chinese markets would also present arbitrage opportunities for traders who could profit from the spreads between Chinese exchanges and those in the US. As a result, Poloniex would see an increase in revenue from trading and transfer fees.

If Poloniex integrates BitCNY it would be trivial to also integrate BitUSD. Having another major exchange trading BitUSD would improve the liquidity and efficiency of the BitUSD markets and further reinforce the peg to USD.

Goal: Get Poloniex to integrate BitCNY and BitUSD.

How do you think we could best go about incentivizing Poloniex to integrate BitCNY and BitUSD into their platform? How else should we leverage our partnership with Poloniex?
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