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Quote from: Kyune on March 01, 2014, 09:18:03 pmQuote from: bytemaster on February 28, 2014, 01:00:38 amWe cannot make any promises of allocation; however, we theorize that market forces will conspire to honor recommendations we make even in the extreme case of our team being killed in a plane crash and someone else is left to finish the software.Could you (or anyone else) explain a little more about the reasoning behind the bolded statement (emphasis added), or point me to a document where you have already explained it? I'm trying to understand why, in theory, economic forces would enforce this "social contract" even with respect to third-party DACs. I'm guessing someone has already written about this elsewhere, but I'm having trouble finding it.https://bitsharestalk.org/index.php?topic=2876.0
Quote from: bytemaster on February 28, 2014, 01:00:38 amWe cannot make any promises of allocation; however, we theorize that market forces will conspire to honor recommendations we make even in the extreme case of our team being killed in a plane crash and someone else is left to finish the software.Could you (or anyone else) explain a little more about the reasoning behind the bolded statement (emphasis added), or point me to a document where you have already explained it? I'm trying to understand why, in theory, economic forces would enforce this "social contract" even with respect to third-party DACs. I'm guessing someone has already written about this elsewhere, but I'm having trouble finding it.
We cannot make any promises of allocation; however, we theorize that market forces will conspire to honor recommendations we make even in the extreme case of our team being killed in a plane crash and someone else is left to finish the software.
There really is no such thing as an "expert" only people that are pretty knowledgeable and even then it doesn't mean they are always right. Where were all the economic experts who didn't prevent the expansion and implosion of the housing bubble?
I have found that viewing your life as an epic adventure makes it more fun to live. So I often view myself as Frodo carrying the Ring of power to be thrown into the fire of decentralization. We are being fought on all sides by those who would enslave man kind and the all seeing eye is watching our every move. Living an epic life is just more fun even if you end up dieing for the cause.
Quote from: MrJeans on February 27, 2014, 03:57:52 pmQuote from: newmine on February 27, 2014, 03:36:09 pmWhoa, let's come back to reality. We all have our hopes and dreams for BTS, but comparing Dan and I3 whom haven't released a single product yet to Jobs and Apple is borderline delusional. Why don't we wait a few years before we start comparing things on such a grand scale. You sound juvenile.Oh yeah, and don't forget, Jobs wasn't the technical mastermind behind Apple. He was the salesman, entrepreneur and vision of Apple.QuoteWell we'll see wont we I spend all day analyzing listed companies for a living. This is by far the company with the largest possible upside i've come across.What are you doing here? It seems you have it figured out. Why don't you sell you analyzing skills with a 100% guarantee since you seem to think you know how to pick winners and losers of the stock market with certainty? I am sure MS, GS or JPM would pay good money for your stock picking skills.Or wait, you're just full of shit. Just because you spend all day at Edward Jones or wherever you are analyzing something does make you an expert in something else completely not related. As a matter of fact it doesn't even mean you are an expert in the area of what you are analyzing.
Quote from: newmine on February 27, 2014, 03:36:09 pmWhoa, let's come back to reality. We all have our hopes and dreams for BTS, but comparing Dan and I3 whom haven't released a single product yet to Jobs and Apple is borderline delusional. Why don't we wait a few years before we start comparing things on such a grand scale. You sound juvenile.Oh yeah, and don't forget, Jobs wasn't the technical mastermind behind Apple. He was the salesman, entrepreneur and vision of Apple.
Well we'll see wont we I spend all day analyzing listed companies for a living. This is by far the company with the largest possible upside i've come across.
Quote from: trader on February 26, 2014, 10:38:04 amQuote from: evolvo on February 26, 2014, 08:35:52 amPlease please please get a spokesperson. Presentation is important [snipped the rest]On the contrary, Dan did a great job presenting this. One of the things that attracted me to Invictus is that its stated aims are clear, and its development is done in an open and transparent way. I dont want some slick salesman giving me BS, and this video reminded me exactly why investing in Dan's company was a great thing to do. Also, think of Dan's feelings before you write something offensive again.Knowing who is behind the product/idea creates trust and is, compared to most competitors, unique in the crypto space. Listening to the one that created and understands the product creates way more trust than a slick guy speaking perfectly without a clue of what he is talking about. Dan is def. a good speaker. Also much comes from not having endless time on everything. You can see how he read the text from a screeen or something. But consider that there are so many things that have to be done atm. Many of which we are probably not so aware of. So I find it perfectly fine. And being comfortable infront of a camera is a matter of parctice only like public speaking is.
Quote from: evolvo on February 26, 2014, 08:35:52 amPlease please please get a spokesperson. Presentation is important [snipped the rest]On the contrary, Dan did a great job presenting this. One of the things that attracted me to Invictus is that its stated aims are clear, and its development is done in an open and transparent way. I dont want some slick salesman giving me BS, and this video reminded me exactly why investing in Dan's company was a great thing to do. Also, think of Dan's feelings before you write something offensive again.
Please please please get a spokesperson. Presentation is important [snipped the rest]
While explaining to my business partners how BTS,PTS and AGS worked I had to create this infographic to explain it. The infographic on page one inspired me to share mine with the community. There are some differnces in how the X chains are distributed from the first infographic so I am wondering which one is correct. In mine I assumed that BitsharesX/XT would work like a tree, in which BTS -> BTSXI and BTS -> BTSXVI, some clarification would be nice.fullsize:http://i.imgur.com/VIJR9iz.jpg
Quote from: cryptosig on February 28, 2014, 12:39:41 amWhile explaining to my business partners how BTS,PTS and AGS worked I had to create this infographic to explain it. The infographic on page one inspired me to share mine with the community. There are some differnces in how the X chains are distributed from the first infographic so I am wondering which one is correct. In mine I assumed that BitsharesX/XT would work like a tree, in which BTS -> BTSXI and BTS -> BTSXVI, some clarification would be nice.fullsize:http://i.imgur.com/VIJR9iz.jpgGreat info graphic... we would like to avoid any confusion about Corporations which are legal entities and DACs which are software with no legal standing or definition. Second... we are very interested in having the wide spread understanding our role is to produce software, the communities role is to allocate stake and launch the software. We cannot make any promises of allocation; however, we theorize that market forces will conspire to honor recommendations we make even in the extreme case of our team being killed in a plane crash and someone else is left to finish the software.
I don't think you understand the implications of this technology. Apple and Steve Jobs are a jokes when compared to the utility of this advancement in consensus technology. This isn't about money, this isn't about companies, this is about changing the traditional economic and governing systems through the most immediate and accurate forms of consensus and decision making possible. There is no point in debating this, you simply do not understand enough to engage with on this topic.
I don't see how any of your comments here are warranted. Simply because one person has a different opinion than you does not give you right to lash out at them on a personal or professional level, particularly since we are on a forum and your estimations on his expertise are purely conjectural. Secondly, if you understood Dan's vision, you'd recognize that is much further reaching than any of Steve Jobs'. The implications of the consensus technology being implemented in bitshares x allows for a restructuring of society as we know it. Look to this post to get a glimpse of what that vision entails:https://bitsharestalk.org/index.php?topic=2853.msg35523#msg35523If you do not understand it fully, ask questions rather than casting feckless judgement on concepts that are inherently esoteric in nature.
Quote from: MrJeans on February 27, 2014, 03:57:52 pmQuote from: newmine on February 27, 2014, 03:36:09 pmWhoa, let's come back to reality. We all have our hopes and dreams for BTS, but comparing Dan and I3 whom haven't released a single product yet to Jobs and Apple is borderline delusional. Why don't we wait a few years before we start comparing things on such a grand scale. You sound juvenile.Oh yeah, and don't forget, Jobs wasn't the technical mastermind behind Apple. He was the salesman, entrepreneur and vision of Apple.Well we'll see wont we I spend all day analyzing listed companies for a living. This is by far the company with the largest possible upside i've come across.
Whoa, let's come back to reality. We all have our hopes and dreams for BTS, but comparing Dan and I3 whom haven't released a single product yet to Jobs and Apple is borderline delusional. Why don't we wait a few years before we start comparing things on such a grand scale. You sound juvenile.Oh yeah, and don't forget, Jobs wasn't the technical mastermind behind Apple. He was the salesman, entrepreneur and vision of Apple.
Quote from: MrJeans on February 26, 2014, 09:24:12 pmQuote from: delulo on February 26, 2014, 05:26:59 pmQuote from: trader on February 26, 2014, 10:38:04 amQuote from: evolvo on February 26, 2014, 08:35:52 amPlease please please get a spokesperson. Presentation is important [snipped the rest]On the contrary, Dan did a great job presenting this. One of the things that attracted me to Invictus is that its stated aims are clear, and its development is done in an open and transparent way. I dont want some slick salesman giving me BS, and this video reminded me exactly why investing in Dan's company was a great thing to do. Also, think of Dan's feelings before you write something offensive again.Knowing who is behind the product/idea creates trust and is, compared to most competitors, unique in the crypto space. Listening to the one that created and understands the product creates way more trust than a slick guy speaking perfectly without a clue of what he is talking about. Dan is def. a good speaker. Also much comes from not having endless time on everything. You can see how he read the text from a screeen or something. But consider that there are so many things that have to be done atm. Many of which we are probably not so aware of. So I find it perfectly fine. And being comfortable infront of a camera is a matter of parctice only like public speaking is.If I attend a company presentation and the CEO is not speaking it would looks as if the CEO is not involved or doesnt care enough. I have never attended a presentation yet where the CEO was absent. Yes having Dan do the presentation creates trust.If someone else takes over it should be someone else who works for invictus. Perhaps different people can do talk on different sections. But I think Dan should be in at least a part these videos.I can not agree more. I think of Dan to 3i is just like Jobs to Apple. So ,CEO makes the critical presentations is very well.
Quote from: delulo on February 26, 2014, 05:26:59 pmQuote from: trader on February 26, 2014, 10:38:04 amQuote from: evolvo on February 26, 2014, 08:35:52 amPlease please please get a spokesperson. Presentation is important [snipped the rest]On the contrary, Dan did a great job presenting this. One of the things that attracted me to Invictus is that its stated aims are clear, and its development is done in an open and transparent way. I dont want some slick salesman giving me BS, and this video reminded me exactly why investing in Dan's company was a great thing to do. Also, think of Dan's feelings before you write something offensive again.Knowing who is behind the product/idea creates trust and is, compared to most competitors, unique in the crypto space. Listening to the one that created and understands the product creates way more trust than a slick guy speaking perfectly without a clue of what he is talking about. Dan is def. a good speaker. Also much comes from not having endless time on everything. You can see how he read the text from a screeen or something. But consider that there are so many things that have to be done atm. Many of which we are probably not so aware of. So I find it perfectly fine. And being comfortable infront of a camera is a matter of parctice only like public speaking is.If I attend a company presentation and the CEO is not speaking it would looks as if the CEO is not involved or doesnt care enough. I have never attended a presentation yet where the CEO was absent. Yes having Dan do the presentation creates trust.If someone else takes over it should be someone else who works for invictus. Perhaps different people can do talk on different sections. But I think Dan should be in at least a part these videos.
I totally understand...it's not a shot at you. I've heard you communicate your ideas extremely well in radio interviews as well. Obviously I believe in your ideas and what you're building here. These ideas have very powerful implications. I just think it's worth it, for the sake of the quality of your ideas and those that believe in them, to present them as professionally as possible. I'm just one person here....but I think it's as objective of a voice as possible.
Groan...thanks for all the strawman arguments. I never said to get a model to do it....I'm sure there's someone in the company who understands how this all works who is better on camera. Or hire someone to say the exact same thing as Daniel said but just do it more comfortably. The fact he is so awkward on camera makes the presentation look extremely unprofessional regardless of the quality of the content. We are all emotionally and financially invested in these ideas but its important to view this objectively. We do not need to create a false dichotomy between sleazy salesman and completely awkward. It would just serve the ideas as well as our emotional and financial investments better to have someone presenting the ideas who doesn't make the vast majority of people feel uncomfortable. Presentation matters. Not sleaziness or awkwardness. Just someone more comfortable.
Quote from: 38PTSWarrior on February 26, 2014, 04:37:58 pmFor credibility it is super important that bytemaster is doing it. If you put a model there it will be like normal advertisement in TV and no one believes what they say is true right? Bytemaster you have courage, that's awesome. Yeah I don't think some fake prodent smile person would do any good either. Maybe in a later stage when everything is rolling and the masses should be addressed.
For credibility it is super important that bytemaster is doing it. If you put a model there it will be like normal advertisement in TV and no one believes what they say is true right? Bytemaster you have courage, that's awesome.
Please please please get a spokesperson. Presentation is important....content is great but presentation is terrible....how hard is it to find someone to present it? You hired a bunch of models for the Miami convention but can't hire someone more comfortable on camera and more charismatic to read this? Something to consider...
Quote from: CrazyCriple on February 26, 2014, 12:48:53 pmQuote from: evolvo on February 26, 2014, 10:55:22 amQuote from: trader on February 26, 2014, 10:38:04 amQuote from: evolvo on February 26, 2014, 08:35:52 amPlease please please get a spokesperson. Presentation is important [snipped the rest]On the contrary, Dan did a great job presenting this. One of the things that attracted me to Invictus is that its stated aims are clear, and its development is done in an open and transparent way. I dont want some slick salesman giving me BS, and this video reminded me exactly why investing in Dan's company was a great thing to do. Also, think of Dan's feelings before you write something offensive again.Offensive? Really? I believe in Daniel and his ideas. However he is not the best spokesperson. He does not appear comfortable on camera and that can make the viewer uncomfortable. I doubt that Daniel would have his feelings hurts by my comments. This is not a cult....we are all here because we believe in what 3I are trying to do and we believe in the implications of this technology. Presentation is important, and while the content is excellent, this presentation was very bad. We're adults working towards the same goals. Please don't try to silence legitimate criticism or fight imaginary fights. Let's move forward together. Thanks.Came here to say the same thing. 3I needs better PR and marketing. Only few people know about the product. There should be a far bigger presence of Bitshares in the crypto community. I don't think pr and marketing is that necessary at this point. First and foremost, what is needed is a viable product. All of I3's "competitors," particularly ethereum, have effectively marketed products that do not exist yet. I think the hype around bitcoin 2.0 projects is absolutely ridiculous as investments in each project are entirely speculative. If fewer ppl know about bitshares throughout the testing phase it may actually be a good thing, as there will be less individuals to deride I3 for any failings. When the PoC becomes a tangible product that is when you market the hell out of it. From an investors standpoint, it is better that people undervalue what invictus is doing since it makes accumulating stake in company cheaper and thereby more profitable in the long run. There is no doubt in my mind that I3 has the best approach to the second wave of blockchain based companies, which is why at this early stage I am glad that ppl have bought into the hype of bitshares' supposed competitors.
Quote from: evolvo on February 26, 2014, 10:55:22 amQuote from: trader on February 26, 2014, 10:38:04 amQuote from: evolvo on February 26, 2014, 08:35:52 amPlease please please get a spokesperson. Presentation is important [snipped the rest]On the contrary, Dan did a great job presenting this. One of the things that attracted me to Invictus is that its stated aims are clear, and its development is done in an open and transparent way. I dont want some slick salesman giving me BS, and this video reminded me exactly why investing in Dan's company was a great thing to do. Also, think of Dan's feelings before you write something offensive again.Offensive? Really? I believe in Daniel and his ideas. However he is not the best spokesperson. He does not appear comfortable on camera and that can make the viewer uncomfortable. I doubt that Daniel would have his feelings hurts by my comments. This is not a cult....we are all here because we believe in what 3I are trying to do and we believe in the implications of this technology. Presentation is important, and while the content is excellent, this presentation was very bad. We're adults working towards the same goals. Please don't try to silence legitimate criticism or fight imaginary fights. Let's move forward together. Thanks.Came here to say the same thing. 3I needs better PR and marketing. Only few people know about the product. There should be a far bigger presence of Bitshares in the crypto community.
Quote from: trader on February 26, 2014, 10:38:04 amQuote from: evolvo on February 26, 2014, 08:35:52 amPlease please please get a spokesperson. Presentation is important [snipped the rest]On the contrary, Dan did a great job presenting this. One of the things that attracted me to Invictus is that its stated aims are clear, and its development is done in an open and transparent way. I dont want some slick salesman giving me BS, and this video reminded me exactly why investing in Dan's company was a great thing to do. Also, think of Dan's feelings before you write something offensive again.Offensive? Really? I believe in Daniel and his ideas. However he is not the best spokesperson. He does not appear comfortable on camera and that can make the viewer uncomfortable. I doubt that Daniel would have his feelings hurts by my comments. This is not a cult....we are all here because we believe in what 3I are trying to do and we believe in the implications of this technology. Presentation is important, and while the content is excellent, this presentation was very bad. We're adults working towards the same goals. Please don't try to silence legitimate criticism or fight imaginary fights. Let's move forward together. Thanks.
Quote from: evolvo on February 26, 2014, 10:55:22 amQuote from: trader on February 26, 2014, 10:38:04 amQuote from: evolvo on February 26, 2014, 08:35:52 amPlease please please get a spokesperson. Presentation is important [snipped the rest]On the contrary, Dan did a great job presenting this. One of the things that attracted me to Invictus is that its stated aims are clear, and its development is done in an open and transparent way. I dont want some slick salesman giving me BS, and this video reminded me exactly why investing in Dan's company was a great thing to do. Also, think of Dan's feelings before you write something offensive again.Offensive? Really? I believe in Daniel and his ideas. However he is not the best spokesperson. He does not appear comfortable on camera and that can make the viewer uncomfortable. I doubt that Daniel would have his feelings hurts by my comments. This is not a cult....we are all here because we believe in what 3I are trying to do and we believe in the implications of this technology. Presentation is important, and while the content is excellent, this presentation was very bad. We're adults working towards the same goals. Please don't try to silence legitimate criticism or fight imaginary fights. Let's move forward together. Thanks.I'd have to agree. I think that this video could have been done better. Dan is actually a really good spokesperson, but his general demeanor in this video appears uncomfortable. While this video may be suitable for current investors, I do not think that it will serve to attract those that have not heard about I3 or are on the fence about investing in the companies future.
Quote from: Stan on February 25, 2014, 06:32:24 pmHere's a sneak peek until we can get it more permanently posted...http://vimeo.com/user24356268/review/87448377/66716b27faGreat work guys!2:12 use the updated picture.
Here's a sneak peek until we can get it more permanently posted...http://vimeo.com/user24356268/review/87448377/66716b27fa
Stan , how soon we can watch the video you mentioned? Can 3I publish them before 2/28? many thanksQuote from: Stan on February 25, 2014, 03:37:26 pmDan and Gregory just completed a nice new video on this very subject.It should be out Real Soon Now.
Dan and Gregory just completed a nice new video on this very subject.It should be out Real Soon Now.
https://bitsharestalk.org/index.php?topic=2940.0
How does this effect AGS and PTS?We will be developing additional blockchains not based upon BitShares X business model. These chains include:BitShares DNSBitShares BingoBitShares MusicBitShares Vote... And many others that we have designs for. In the interest of giving one experiment time to run without competing with yourselves, we are considering focusing on one of these other DACs while the BitShares XT experiment runs before moving ahead with XI, XV, or XC. We will however encourage others to implement these variants and experiment with them in parallel if they are so inclinedWhat does this mean for DACs?