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Title: OPENBAZAAR
Post by: valtr on February 17, 2016, 09:49:03 pm
OpenBazaar is finishing. Is there any possibility to add BitShares Smartcoin payment?
I am not a coder and I do not understand technical problems.
This Bitcoin ebay will for sure bring many users , probably not cryptofans a generate substantial turnover.
Title: Re: OPENBAZAAR
Post by: TravelsAsia on February 18, 2016, 01:40:33 pm
OpenBazaar is finishing. Is there any possibility to add BitShares Smartcoin payment?
I am not a coder and I do not understand technical problems.
This Bitcoin ebay will for sure bring many users , probably not cryptofans a generate substantial turnover.

These are types of opportunities we need to tackle.
Title: Re: OPENBAZAAR
Post by: noisy on February 18, 2016, 02:29:44 pm
Few days ago I wrote about that on OpenBazaar reddit:

https://www.reddit.com/r/OpenBazaar/comments/4667y4/lets_add_support_for_bitshares_bitusd_bitcny/

Title: Re: OPENBAZAAR
Post by: TravelsAsia on February 18, 2016, 03:58:12 pm
Few days ago I wrote about that on OpenBazaar reddit:

https://www.reddit.com/r/OpenBazaar/comments/4667y4/lets_add_support_for_bitshares_bitusd_bitcny/

"[–]cryptogifts 1 point 22 hours ago

lol@bitshares. Although it is now quite stable at 1,000 satoshi after being dumped from 10,000 far from a stable coin.

Bitcoin will do for everyone and prices will auto adjust when bitcoin fluctuates, which is not that much in a day anyhow.
"

As I've said (and others) time and time again, nobody outside this direct community has a clue about what BitShares has to offer.  This person is confusing BTS with the stable assets.
Title: Re: OPENBAZAAR
Post by: xeroc on February 18, 2016, 04:02:58 pm
I was talking with them and tgey have their own todo list to tackle first .. BUT, they made very clear that if we can code the stuff ourselves they will discuss merging a pull request and even if they didnt want to merge, we could still user there network and do our own stuff ..

their frontend is written in JS and many part couls be integrated into ours easily. I even gave them some advises how to efficiently separate the backend from the frontend and they will look into it.

Certainly not a low hanging fruit but definitely something worth working on ..
Title: Re: OPENBAZAAR
Post by: TravelsAsia on February 18, 2016, 04:06:10 pm
I was talking with them and tgey have their own todo list to tackle first .. BUT, they made very clear that if we can code the stuff ourselves they will discuss merging a pull request and even if they didnt want to merge, we could still user there network and do our own stuff ..

their frontend is written in JS and many part couls be integrated into ours easily. I even gave them some advises how to efficiently separate the backend from the frontend and they will look into it.

Certainly not a low hanging fruit but definitely something worth working on ..

As for next steps, is there somewhere you recommend creating a post REQUESTING someone @abit @bytemaster  to create a worker proposal? If that's not that best next step, I'd be interested in hearing your thoughts.
Title: Re: OPENBAZAAR
Post by: valtr on February 18, 2016, 05:53:59 pm
I was talking with them and tgey have their own todo list to tackle first .. BUT, they made very clear that if we can code the stuff ourselves they will discuss merging a pull request and even if they didnt want to merge, we could still user there network and do our own stuff ..

their frontend is written in JS and many part couls be integrated into ours easily. I even gave them some advises how to efficiently separate the backend from the frontend and they will look into it.

Certainly not a low hanging fruit but definitely something worth working on ..
It is encouraging to see that you have contact with them and it seems to be possible though not easy. Maybe a worker proposal would be viable.
Title: Re: OPENBAZAAR
Post by: yvv on February 18, 2016, 06:40:36 pm
Man, this thing needs to be urgently implemented on top of bitshares blockchain. Such a perfect use case! Substitute a laptop in the example from their blog for USD, and you get p2p on/off ramps.

https://blog.openbazaar.org/what-is-openbazaar/
Title: Re: OPENBAZAAR
Post by: TravelsAsia on February 18, 2016, 08:12:18 pm
Man, this thing needs to be urgently implemented on top of bitshares blockchain. Such a perfect use case! Substitute a laptop in the example from their blog for USD, and you get p2p on/off ramps.

https://blog.openbazaar.org/what-is-openbazaar/

 +5%  I added this to the Beyond Bitcoin thread for tomorrow.
Title: Re: OPENBAZAAR
Post by: Ben Mason on February 18, 2016, 11:54:55 pm
Man, this thing needs to be urgently implemented on top of bitshares blockchain. Such a perfect use case! Substitute a laptop in the example from their blog for USD, and you get p2p on/off ramps.

https://blog.openbazaar.org/what-is-openbazaar/

 +5%  I added this to the Beyond Bitcoin thread for tomorrow.
Nice!  Perfect time to open a bazaar on openledger!  ;D
Title: Re: OPENBAZAAR
Post by: donkeypong on February 19, 2016, 01:09:33 am
I'd love to see that.
Title: Re: OPENBAZAAR
Post by: cylonmaker2053 on February 19, 2016, 03:29:04 am
I'm a big fan of what OpenBazaar is doing. It'd be great to integrate bitUSD as a payment option; it could have a nice adoption if presented to customers as a listing and payment option simply due to familiarity with USD pricing. Maybe.
Title: Re: OPENBAZAAR
Post by: yvv on February 19, 2016, 03:30:53 am
I tell you people, openbazaar on openledger would be a nuclear bomb. You want to sell your crap, you create a listing, put it into blockchain, such that people can browse listings and make bids. When listing expires, highest bid sends bitassets to escrow account, which is owned by three parties: the seller, the buyer and the escrow. If buyer and seller agree, funds are released by two of them, no escrow action is necessary. If buyer and seller don't agree for 90 days, the escrow takes action based on evidences presented by b&s. How cool is that! People would be able to trade bitassets for real assets on DEX, just like they trade bitcoins on ebay or localbitcoins. Good bye centralized exchanges. Good bye price feeds. Blockchain knows everything!
Title: Re: OPENBAZAAR
Post by: jsidhu on February 19, 2016, 04:28:26 am
I believe my marketplace with syscoin is a better implementation.

It is onchain instead of p2p and has features ob doesnt.. We can also accept bitcoin payments to syscoin aliases so can leverage bitcoin network of users.. I would be glad to integrate with bitshares somehow, infact it was a goal of mine that the ecommerce plugins would merge these two technologies.. You will be able to literally import and export to and from ebay for example.

We are releasing soonish next month, so i look forward to figuring out a way we can do this... A decentralized marketplace with a decentralized exchange sounds like a win win.
Title: Re: OPENBAZAAR
Post by: Myshadow on February 19, 2016, 06:04:50 am
I tell you people, openbazaar on openledger would be a nuclear bomb. You want to sell your crap, you create a listing, put it into blockchain, such that people can browse listings and make bids. When listing expires, highest bid sends bitassets to escrow account, which is owned by three parties: the seller, the buyer and the escrow. If buyer and seller agree, funds are released by two of them, no escrow action is necessary. If buyer and seller don't agree for 90 days, the escrow takes action based on evidences presented by b&s. How cool is that! People would be able to trade bitassets for real assets on DEX, just like they trade bitcoins on ebay or localbitcoins. Good bye centralized exchanges. Good bye price feeds. Blockchain knows everything!

I honestly think that integrating OpenBazaar with bitshares stealth transactions is the holy grail. Not because of the obvious use case (silkroad) that people probably don't want bitshares or OB to be associated with, but because this is the system required to stop the inevitable rise of Fascism and Communism from destroying the remnants of the free market... I'm not sure whether you people have noticed, but the november election looks like its shaping up to be fascism vs communism, ie: Trump vs Sanders. All the major economic indicators show that we've already gone off the edge of a cliff we just haven't started falling yet, and the middle east is set to go up in flames within months... Interest rates are going negative, banks are going down in flames(even though they haven't announced it yet) and governments are insolvent.

These are the kind of conditions that allow truly horrific things to happen, last time this kind of thing happened was the lead up to world war 2... The real problem is that the general population doesn't understand why things are going so wrong so they'll turn to extreme ideologies on both the left and right when their backs are against the wall... All these ideologies ever do is promise to fix the problem by taking away more individual liberty. This is cycle that plays out time and time again... Except this time there's a 3rd option.

Imagine what would happen if there is a system that works just fine for all the commerce people need to maintain a reasonable standard of living whilst most people's wealth gets inflated away in front of them, banks limit withdrawals, government benefits stop flowing/slow down drastically... Thats the mass adoption tipping point we all want. We just have to have the pieces in place ready for the inevitable.
Title: Re: OPENBAZAAR
Post by: xeroc on February 19, 2016, 09:02:26 am
I'll try to make it to the openbazaar meetup today in amsterdam .. the whole OB1 team plus some devs will be there
Title: Re: OPENBAZAAR
Post by: emailtooaj on February 19, 2016, 01:46:38 pm
I'll try to make it to the openbazaar meetup today in amsterdam .. the whole OB1 team plus some devs will be there
That would be awesome if you could xeroc. You'd be the best man for the job.  You have the knowledge to give a clear and concise massage to how Bitshares can be implemented and the benefit that both parties can reap! I'll by your beer if you go!!
Title: Re: OPENBAZAAR
Post by: TravelsAsia on February 19, 2016, 01:53:21 pm
I'll try to make it to the openbazaar meetup today in amsterdam .. the whole OB1 team plus some devs will be there
That would be awesome if you could xeroc. You'd be the best man for the job.  You have the knowledge to give a clear and concise massage to how Bitshares can be implemented and the benefit that both parties can reap! I'll by your beer if you go!!

I'm in for a $5 tip.
Title: Re: OPENBAZAAR
Post by: Erlich Bachman on February 19, 2016, 01:55:41 pm

I honestly thing that integrating OpenBazaar with bitshares stealth transactions are the holy grail.

Who do I vote for to get this?

Or donation to address to get it started.

Buying more today to have more vote power

om nom nom
Title: Re: OPENBAZAAR
Post by: xeroc on February 20, 2016, 07:58:34 am
They are open for pull request even though he mentioned that the ob community is quite btc centric. They do have a plan for adding a plugin system for other chains

BUT, seening Dr. Washingtons presentation about future innovations, i think instead of having BitShare as a 'plugin' is unvervaluing the advantages they would get from it.

I'll try to reach out to tgem more often and joun discussions with their community.

Definitly worth doing, not so low hanging fruits though
Title: Re: OPENBAZAAR
Post by: cylonmaker2053 on February 20, 2016, 03:37:14 pm
They are open for pull request even though he mentioned that the ob community is quite btc centric. They do have a plan for adding a plugin system for other chains

BUT, seening Dr. Washingtons presentation about future innovations, i think instead of having BitShare as a 'plugin' is unvervaluing the advantages they would get from it.

I'll try to reach out to tgem more often and joun discussions with their community.

Definitly worth doing, not so low hanging fruits though

awesome and agreed, this isn't low hanging fruit by any means. Just great that you're staying connected with them and giving us a voice. It'd be great one day to simply have them incorporate bitUSD or something for listings and payment, but no rush. Truly the ultimate market for us, though, at least on the merchant side.
Title: Re: OPENBAZAAR
Post by: yvv on February 20, 2016, 04:11:23 pm
Don't waste time on incorporating bitUSD into openbazaar. Bring the whole thing into openledger.
Title: Re: OPENBAZAAR
Post by: TravelsAsia on February 20, 2016, 04:47:47 pm
Don't waste time on incorporating bitUSD into openbazaar. Bring the whole thing into openledger.

I disagree. I want to reach a much larger audience and get them curious about what else we offer with BitShares.
Title: Re: OPENBAZAAR
Post by: Akado on February 20, 2016, 05:19:58 pm
Don't waste time on incorporating bitUSD into openbazaar. Bring the whole thing into openledger.

I disagree. I want to reach a much larger audience and get them curious about what else we offer with BitShares.

He clearly doesn't know what he's talking about. There's no way OL or BitShares could compete with OpenBazar because of the community size and marketing already done so far. As long as they use our USD is what matters, they don't even need to know they're using BitShares.
Title: Re: OPENBAZAAR
Post by: Shentist on February 20, 2016, 05:24:57 pm
They are open for pull request even though he mentioned that the ob community is quite btc centric. They do have a plan for adding a plugin system for other chains

BUT, seening Dr. Washingtons presentation about future innovations, i think instead of having BitShare as a 'plugin' is unvervaluing the advantages they would get from it.

I'll try to reach out to tgem more often and joun discussions with their community.

Definitly worth doing, not so low hanging fruits though

great to know him directly. maybe we find a way to make it easy to use openbazaar for bitshares users? something like, to get their plattform into our wallet or so.
Title: Re: OPENBAZAAR
Post by: yvv on February 20, 2016, 08:26:38 pm
Don't waste time on incorporating bitUSD into openbazaar. Bring the whole thing into openledger.

I disagree. I want to reach a much larger audience and get them curious about what else we offer with BitShares.

He clearly doesn't know what he's talking about. There's no way OL or BitShares could compete with OpenBazar because of the community size and marketing already done so far. As long as they use our USD is what matters, they don't even need to know they're using BitShares.

We need to convince them to use bitshares blockchain for their trade platform, not just bitUSD. This is the win for them and for us.
Title: Re: OPENBAZAAR
Post by: xeroc on February 21, 2016, 07:58:52 am
Don't waste time on incorporating bitUSD into openbazaar. Bring the whole thing into openledger.

I disagree. I want to reach a much larger audience and get them curious about what else we offer with BitShares.

He clearly doesn't know what he's talking about. There's no way OL or BitShares could compete with OpenBazar because of the community size and marketing already done so far. As long as they use our USD is what matters, they don't even need to know they're using BitShares.

We need to convince them to use bitshares blockchain for their trade platform, not just bitUSD. This is the win for them and for us.
I agree and I will try my best to let them know all the other features they would get for free by integrating BTS