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I'm interested in answers to the following questions in terms a laymen could understand:



In terms of platform capabilities, what differentiates your platform from your competitors?

Conservatively, when do you anticipate having a fully functional GUI interface available for your product that actually integrates the platforms functionality and is not just a bitcoin-qt clone?

What differentiates your development team from your competitors.

How many man-hours are currently going into your platforms development?

How does your platform empower the other 6 billion?


Adam, any idea when the panel will be available for our listening pleasure?

A week after it is recorded, Saturday the 1st

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NXT are also presenting a speaker

NXT was invited but they don't have a development team that is comfortable appearing at trade shows on their behalf.  They have one community member going to the conference but he isn't comfortable with the depth we're going into tomorrow.

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We are using DAC in different ways.  I am using DAC as Distributed Autonomous Consensus in the sense of that paper I wrote, which is a way to essentially sequester money that can only make the outcome or reality the consensus is trying to achieve gets dragged into reality to be rewarded.

Also unlike a vending machine, prices fluctuate based on market valuations.

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I'm talking about cups because I don't want to keep naming different types of packaging, and the hot cup market has particularly high minimums for custom prints (250,000).  Ultimately this technology will apply to bags, wraps, boxes, everything.

The DAC's monetization is operating a market for services between groups that have not been able to conduct commerce on this scale before (Artists, Venues and Advertisers) in a market that historically has been almost entirely unserved.  The fundraiser that initiates the DAC will generate the initial money supply of tokens that will be the token of reference that operates the market and basically can buy you targeted advertising space on packaging in real time with this coin.

On the platform, Artists essentially create art that fits into the defined printable areas of various specifications and products.  They sell their work/collections either outright or per piece printed, Custom or as-you-will, exclusively or to all comers, whatever model they want to follow.   

Venues have pieces of packaging that now have the ability to have a design that differs per piece for no meaningful additional cost.  For some this will be an opportunity to turn a cost (cups, which you have to buy) into a profit center (cost-per-cup advertising), while others will take the opportunity to make their cups a differentiating factor with awesome unique art or something cultural and iconic from a respected name, the opportunity is there not just to have a really cool print but to have an ever morphing plethora of them for the same price as not doing that.   These venues will pay artists for their work as described previously.

And advertisers advertise.  They have message they're trying to reach with eyeballs, and this platform gives them access to some interesting and extremely local, yet anonymous data.   Individual venues can be selected to advertise with during certain hours of the day to certain types of customers, say only Latte Drinkers on Tuesdays at the coffee shop on the corner of main and 3rd.   Only men drinking beer at sports bars in minneapolis for four hours after the football game.   This is possible because the initial bootstrapping phase basically uses the receipt feed as a guide with pre-set line-items as triggers.

Take a look at this diagram.  What I want to build is what should be the last step, a custom printed bag that details the contents of the custom ordered burger.  Who it's for, when it was ordered, what the specific allergens and health information is etc.

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I envision several different types of users

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/ccc?key=0AoPQ9D7Ob3GDdDhucWRCOUVCbmUtY0NpdDNCVzV1R2c&usp=sharing
A "Venue" like a nightclub that goes through enough stock to warrant owning one or multiple machines to meet their needs.   This user goes from paying $20,000+ for 250,000 cups of a single size with a single design that they have to pay for in advance and store until they've used them all, to paying $5,000 for the machine, buying bulk stock (plain, unprinted) cups at any supply store by the case (500-1,000) as needed, in the sizes you want and printing as many designs as neccesary, not to mention the new market features mentioned above.
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https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/ccc?key=0AoPQ9D7Ob3GDdE5PVXdLZXZzV2MwczMzY2xxZGM2RkE&usp=sharing
This is our prototypical speculative startup scenario - We assume all orders must be delivered, and the volume for the average customer will overwhelm the "Misc Costs" like Ink, electricity.  In this one, we assume there is a small delivery fee and that deliveries are made daily to customers in a geographically small area.  We also assume that larger orders will garner free delivery, but I've only represented that as a percentage of total business where the fee is waived.  We can assume this user will have higher costs due to small volume purchasing, and that they will have a moderate sell price.

Also note: Delivery fee could simply be built into the per sleeve cost, so long as volume allows.
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https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/ccc?key=0AoPQ9D7Ob3GDdEF5cGdRQkI3dzlYX0hRRHFtbVVNMWc&usp=sharing

A "Minufacturist", basically a one man business with bootstrapping costs below $10,000.  This type of user takes local venues who don't want to buy their own machine as clients and pre-prints their packaging daily to weekly.  This is a market that doesn't exist right now, so prices even 2x the market would be accepted by businesses looking to differentiate, that is not however required and this chart demonstrates the  prices can be very competitive to the market rate even with this value add.    Minufacturists do not exist yet, I registered the domain a year or two ago with the intent of centering development of that initial community there.
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https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/ccc?key=0AoPQ9D7Ob3GDdEpERmQxdHBIS19YWHVSQldmZEVSWUE&usp=sharing

Sysco is one of the biggest players in packaging and restaurant supply, a multi-billion dollar company.  This technology would represent a chance for Sysco to offer a class of margin-heavy value-add services to a larger market than they currently offer it to, and because it's an entirely new market there is no cannibalization of their other business.  This is a rare industry wide win-win situation.   These companies have local and regional offices, distribution infrastructions and local sales organizations.  They'd start out as a pilot program in a couple of small offices, buying a few machines and offering low volume (as few as a quarter sleeve of 25) custom print items at 150% of the cost of unprinted cups to be delivered with their normal order. 

Buying 250,000 custom cups in the current paradigm,  gets you cups at a 15-50% premium depending on the print, timeframe (do you want that in 10 weeks or 6?) etc.  This solution will be able to deliver it on a per piece basis for just slightly higher, with no minimums or lead time.  This was the most underserved customer I came across in five years of selling environmentally friendly foodservice packaging, successful establishments who were big enough to want to grow and build their brand but too small to make a minimum order.    It will be popular.   It will also be wildly profitable for existing distribution companies which already have the complete sales and distribution infrastructure to integrate this into their offering with a customer facing website and a couple machines in each local warehouse.
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https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/ccc?key=0AoPQ9D7Ob3GDdFBuRVZEc3dQczgwQUxCMlUtMC1XOUE&usp=sharing
While all the other use-cases talk about b2b, a Party store is a B2C.    The other type of customer who really had no good option was the mom, or the school or the wedding that wants a couple hundred items one time only.  Maybe a few times a year for fundraisers.   The party store is really a minufacturing center in disguise!  These  customers usually have very high budgets and low price sensitivity by packaging-world standards, they think in terms of dollars for their budget rather than cost per piece so this type of operation usually has no minimum order for on-demand production and costs in the dollar range per piece (about 4x "high" prices for similar)

And it's fun, but it takes time so it's work.       I've been talking with James Jones over at Cubespawn about making this project the first proof-of-concept developed on their Cubespawn modular manufacturing platform http://www.cubespawn.com/, he gave me a ballpark budget of 65-100k, I'm waiting for the proposal.

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The project in a nutshell is the application of modular low end 3d printing technology to the custom branding of packaging after the point of sale has taken place, or in small runs by a local minufacturer who would then service a number of local customers based on the output from one or several small machines.   

I realize that this is still too much in my head to ask someone else to describe quite yet, I think this bounty is more wishful thinking on my part for someone to do the work for me haha.     I will better articulate my needs once I have some time.

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General Discussion / Re: Ethereum - better than Bitshares?
« on: January 19, 2014, 09:38:15 pm »
I'd love to see the lead developers of Bitshares, Ethereum, NXT, eMunie, .. have a public discussion in a dedicated forum thread.

We will be participating in a live panel on Friday (BitShares/Ethereum/Mastercoin) to debate the issues and it should be available for download somewhere.

Yep!  This will be on Let's Talk Bitcoin! in early February.

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General Discussion / Re: Ethereum - better than Bitshares?
« on: January 19, 2014, 04:10:19 am »
I looked it up in the whitepaper.  I am not sure if this is the most recent iteration, I complained about the founders being separated out from other before-launch developers and I believe they've lumped them both together

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The issuance model will be as follows:

Ether will be sold in a Mastercoin-style fundraiser at the price of 1 ether for 0.0001 BTC. Suppose that X ether gets collected in this way.
0.25X ether will be given to the founders.
0.25X ether will be given to the Ethereum organization as a reserve pool to pay expenses in ETH such as ETH salaries or bounties for those developers who want part or all of their compensation to be in this form
0.5X ether will be mined per year forever after that point (ie. permanent linear inflation)[/quote]

You can read more at the whitepaper http://vitalik.ca/ethereum.html, look for Issuance

But basically this means that every year, 50% will be added to the money supply.  Forever.   That is distinctly different and noticably less "profitable" for early adopters choosing where to invest than flatly deflationary concepts like mastercoin or bitshares.  Once the  supply is issued, that's it.  The number can shrink but it can never grow.     With Ethereum they're anticipating so much growth that even with an exponentially growing (50% compounding annually is exponential, right?) money supply the demand will far outpace supply.   

There's no right answer here, and I for one am glad that people are trying out different approaches because that's how we're going to find the answer.  No matter who wins, all these concepts and companies are being developed in public and building open source ecosystems.  That's nothing but a win, so I say invest in all of them.

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General Discussion / Re: Ethereum - better than Bitshares?
« on: January 19, 2014, 02:41:25 am »
I'm not intimately familiar with the details of the fundraiser, I think they're still under discussion.   I know it will be some sort of Mastercoin/Kickstarter style "give us development money we give you Ether" model.

I believe the intent is to announce full details at the Miami conference, end of the month.

One thing to note is that Ether is a relatively medium-term opportunity compared to other metacoin layers since the money supply goes up forever at a relatively fast rate.   Ether is not as inherently deflationary as Bitcoin for example.

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General Discussion / Re: Ethereum - better than Bitshares?
« on: January 18, 2014, 09:28:58 pm »
Hi all,

Ethereum (often considered a Bitshares alternative) is about to launch soon (6 days / 25.1.2014)...
Do you think its better than bitshares? Why yes, why no?
Is it better to invest 100% in Ethereum instead of indirectly investing 1:10 (PTS share of bitshares is 10% only)
into bitshares right now? Can bitshares outperform ethereum by factor 10?
Really thinking about it where to invest and its a tough decision.. so whats your oppinion on that and why?

Main site: http://ethereum.org/
Whitepaper: http://vbuterin.com/ethereum.html
Forums: http://forum.ethereum.org/

Mich431

Hey, i'm a big fan of Ethereum but you've got your numbers wrong, they are starting fundraising at the end of this month.  They anticipate releasing a product I believe right before the toronto conference in April

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That perception is already out there, you call it a bonus if they accept PTS and they'll take PTS just to sell them on the market for the added funds.   If the point is to generate results, this lets you offer Bitcoin without chaining yourself to volatile bitcoin prices or risk the bitcoin vs protoshares bounty drifting apart in actual value

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What I suggest you do is price in PTS and offer the option to pay bounties in BTC, converted at the time the bounty is awarded with say a 10-20% discount to the market price of PTS.

That will incentivize people to accept PTS but you'll still be able to say they're payable in Bitcoin without exposing yourself to any extreme price fluctuations between PTS and BTC

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Could you elaborate a little? I don't have a full picture of what you're talking about from this post. Also the link to the current white paper doesn't lead to a white paper ( or is that where you want people to post contributions? ).

PS. Minufacturing.... play on words or typo?

The link to the whitepaper is the work product, the dropbox folder "see my earlier work" contains everything I've done so far.

And yes, Minufacturing is a play on words - It is explained in the documents and worksheets

This is an experiment to see if I can put out an idea with some value attach to it and have people be incentivized to understand the idea to at the least give me feedback.   I don't have time to work on non-bitcoin stuff myself, thus the bounty.

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Distributed Minufacturing Systems is a concept I started working on two years ago.   The very short version is we apply open source 3d manufacturing technology to the printing of packaging, and then print blanks after the point of sale instead of before the cup is even molded. 

To learn about Minufacturing and see the work I've done so far, you can find everything at https://www.dropbox.com/sh/kapw6sxlky4ihhl/BW-d2Ov_DT

One change since I did this work is I now believe the Market for services described would be best powered by a proprietary token.    I think this should be kick-started with a Mastercoin-Style fundraiser that produces the tokens which will be used on the market platform.  I will be putting mid five figures behind the project at this point.

I want to make this project happen.  In order for that to be possible, the project needs to be better articulated and understood by brains besides my own.   This bounty is for the production of a collaborative, comprehensive white-paper on the DMS concept that could then be funded and implemented.  If many people participate in the document, I will award the bounty proportionally based on how helpful I feel they were to the goal.

The current Whitepaper is available to work on here: https://etherpad.mozilla.org/p0VCHrI01M
Your work on the whitepaper should be informed by this paper i've written about DACs and DAC Platforms.  DMS is a DAC Platform that bootstraps itself as described to build the hardware and software.

The bounty is payable in Protoshares, Mastercoins or Bitcoin in the amount of 1000USD - Solo submissions will be acceptable if they are better than the collaborative solutions, I want the best plan.

I am happy to answer any questions, I'd like to be done in two weeks.

So please, take my idea and run with it!

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For what you're trying to do interfacing with US dollars, you will want to deal with ripple.  That's the one thing they're really really good at, if you connect with me on Skype I'll invite you to the Ripple federation chat where you can learn more about accessing ripples liquidity flows.

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Ethereum is really ambitious and uses a lot of untested components.   I think Bitshares will beat Ethereum to market and will offer a competitive service of a different type.

That said, Ethereum looks like an awesome platform to build DACs on top of and for some applications that makes more sense than the blockchain approach.  Personally, I'm investing in all of these projects because they're all ambitious attempts at generational problems by smart, passionate people whom all have my respect.    Worst case scenario, Invictus doesn't bother building their own platform and just focuses on building and launching innovative DACs.

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