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General Discussion / Re: Why BTS is falling like this?
« on: November 22, 2014, 11:55:17 pm »
A multipool that pays bitshares would help NXT has one u can also invest in the pool by buying shares on AE I would gladly point my miners to it just a suggestion I think it could help

minebitshares.com !

Indeed, I've been mining on http://pool.minebitshares.com/ for a while now, it's pretty convenient.  No need for accounts, just a BTS payout address.

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This seems like unnecessary complexity to me, honestly.  Anyone who wants to hold BTS should be able to figure out what burning fees means for them.  If you just want to use it for payments and savings without that minimal level of understanding, you should be using bitAssets and just getting interest instead anyway.

Supply issues I don't think will really be relevant for the foreseeable future, but I'd support doing a split and doubling all BTS balances on the chain any time the total supply drops under a billion.  :P

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General Discussion / Re: Does your account username matter?
« on: November 22, 2014, 09:17:45 pm »
Your account name will be visible to anyone to whom you send funds, so if they know you as "islandking", and you don't want to suggest that you're the one sending them money, don't send from an account named "islandking".

TITAN manages privacy for transactions, so the transactions won't be tied to the username as far as snooping third parties are concerned.

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Technical Support / Re: Problem starting client
« on: November 14, 2014, 04:19:10 am »
Try pulling the latest, rather than the tagged 0.4.24 version.  There was a crash patched that isn't in a tagged release yet.

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Keyhotee / Re: Keyhotee Status Update
« on: November 13, 2014, 04:41:40 am »
where is keyhotee going now?

I was wondering the same question...
I have no idea :(

Secure mail and IDs will be built into Bitshares.

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General Discussion / Re: Slogans?
« on: November 12, 2014, 03:02:12 am »
Bitshares: Can your bank do this?

Bitshares: Be the bank you want to see in the world.

Bitshares: The banks can't hold it. [With cheesy flood-stage river graphic... :P]

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Edit: Troglodactyl, just read your post, I think we agree.

I think what you're saying is only right during the growth phase of the company, while you are still attracting new users. It's sort of like a ponzi scheme; it doesn't work if you don't keep having new people (money) come. Once this is a steady-state ecosystem inflation will simply be draining people's money because the share price is not rising enough to counteract it. I can't help but thinking I'm right because no real company operates on an inflation model. Investors want money from customers, not themselves. They want to maximize profit.

...With that said, I suppose at that steady-state point we don't need many marketers/devs/janitors etc., and we will be able to maintain the network with just transaction fees.

I suspect that fees will outpace dilution well before the end of the rapid growth phase.  There will be a lot of ecosystem growth from peripheral businesses that are self funding without dilution, like gateways.

Bitcoin doesn't have the feature set to reach a wide market, but looking at its growth dynamics with the businesses that have sprung up around it is encouraging.

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All this is great, but I feel like for shares in a company, inflation (dilution) is only successful as a short term solution. Continuous inflation may be okay for a currency (which is a whole other conversation), but is it sustainable for a company?

I would hope that ultimately everything can be paid for via transaction fees or some other mechanism. That's what VISA and Mastercard do, right? How else do they make money? I wonder what transaction volume this would require.

I actually think this is the opposite.

When the company is small, inflation-pay is the *LEAST* effective. It takes much more inflation to pay a delegate a fair salary. When the company has a very large market cap with high liquidity, a 1% inflation-pay delegate could be earning $1 million per year. We would, of course, need much less than 1% of inflation in that case.

This is why I stress that we use AGS funds to grow our market cap as fast as possible, so we can sustain inflation reasonably and responsibly:

https://bitsharestalk.org/index.php?topic=10845#msg142799

Keep in mind that we only elect delegates that increase the value of the company many times more than the rate at which the dilution devaluing each share. This will only get easier the bigger we are.

The key here I think is that dilution eliminates the need for centralized cash on hand to pay salaries and business expenses.  With burnt fees and dilution to cover costs, the shareholders directly hold all the value of the network.  They directly lose value to cover expenses, and they directly gain value when fees are paid and when the network grows.

Once the Bitshares potential market is saturated (when everyone in the world is using it for everything, all the time...) the network will stop growing, and fees will need to exceed dilution or it will become unprofitable.  I don't expect this to be a major problem.

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General Discussion / Re: Please Stop
« on: November 08, 2014, 08:53:14 pm »
Bitshares only works because of its mandatory transparency. You cannot be elected as a delegate without being almost 100% transparent and public about all the work you do. Besides, we only really have one feature that matters, and that is the paid delegates. The only thing we need to worry about is to grow our network before any self-funding competitor comes online. If we can attain significant network effect before then, then it will not possible for a competitor to beat us no matter what, because we will always be able to copy any competetive advantages that they innovate.

You can't be elected without being trusted, and transparency is certainly the easiest route to trust, but I wouldn't say it's impossible someone could get elected by another path.  I think you also underestimate the other features.  The self-funding is dependent on value continually being produced by those other features, or it becomes unsustainable.  Plenty of initially well funded endeavours fail because they can't produce a feature set that creates enough value to sustain themselves.

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General Discussion / Re: Pizza, DAC
« on: November 08, 2014, 07:25:13 am »
3-D food printing has arrived. Just imagine the possibilities when your computer really can cook a meal! BTS collateral required for each pizza printed?

http://www.cnn.com/2014/11/06/tech/innovation/foodini-machine-print-food/index.html?hpt=hp_c3

Collateralized printed pizza is certainly an improvement over previous attempts to increase value and scarcity through proof of burn.

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Technical Support / Re: getting started with linux
« on: November 08, 2014, 06:54:04 am »
Here's a guide to building the wallet from source, including a section for the GUI:

https://github.com/dacsunlimited/bitsharesx/blob/master/BUILD_UBUNTU.md

In the command line wallet, the "help" command will list commands, and "help commandname" will give you help about a specific command.

Also there's documentation available here: https://github.com/BitShares/bitshares/wiki/Bitshares-commands:-Wallet

Hope this helps...

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General Discussion / Re: Please Stop
« on: November 08, 2014, 03:15:44 am »
...
As you might know Stan, your style is, 85% of the time, too pom-pom for my taste...

But that post was GREAT!  +5% +5% +5%


PS
On this note, I am moving this thread to the main discussion.

Agreed.

...but the center alignment throws me off every time.

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General Discussion / Re: Rand Paul Coin wants to use DPoS
« on: November 07, 2014, 05:19:04 am »
I'd rather see an asset than another chain...

That's a fair point.  With the strong deflationary priority they might be worried that BTS isn't a sound foundation, but it would be easy enough to fork off if Bitshares ever seemed in danger of hyper-inflationary collapse.  :P

That would save them the overhead of a full new chain and new set of delegates

What does and expansion or contraction of the BTS supply have to do with the supply or price of an asset on the platform?
The people behind Rand Paul Coin clearly view an expandable supply with greater suspicion than we do.  If Bitshares somehow hyperinflated to the point of total loss of confidence and value, then delegates would have no incentive.  User issued assets would then be frozen until they could be migrated to a living chain.

Obviously I don't think that would happen, but they probably do, or they wouldn't be forking.

Edit: So the answer to your question is:  Absolutely nothing, unless Bitshares collapsed entirely.

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General Discussion / Re: Rand Paul Coin wants to use DPoS
« on: November 07, 2014, 02:40:48 am »
I'd rather see an asset than another chain...

That's a fair point.  With the strong deflationary priority they might be worried that BTS isn't a sound foundation, but it would be easy enough to fork off if Bitshares ever seemed in danger of hyper-inflationary collapse.  :P

That would save them the overhead of a full new chain and new set of delegates

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Hmmmm.....

I can sympathize with alphabar. he has a point in terms of accountability and transparency. I also support his right to question any move that  the dev team makes on behalf of this community even if I don't necessarily agree.

That said, I fully support funding our Devs as much as we can to keep their livelihoods intact and reward them commensurate with their skills. I want our devs and delegates to be paid well in excess of anything they could achieve in the corporate world. As I have stated previously... You pay peanuts, you'll get monkeys.

Of course I support his right to question whatever he wants to question.  And yes, the donations are handled less transparently than delegate pay, but that seems reasonable to me given that one is an employment agreement (even if the employer is a blockchain) and the other is a gift...

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