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General Discussion / Re: Tether integration?
« on: April 04, 2016, 09:50:08 am »
I now found something not so awesome in tether/omni protocol, when I tested today, in omnichest it is displayed that the balance of 36uReNqhMapzN3iZCMiLESCWt6qjijBTHv is 12.3 USDT, however in the web client it is displayed 2.3 USDT as balance.
 
the relevant transaction is http://www.omnichest.info/lookuptx.aspx?txid=8a707e8db2d78bd83afb86ca3f8177ed1377daa7b6a0513525f68669d1e8d9cc, which does not appear in the tether web client.



I worry whether tether/omni protocol is strong enough as a solution.

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I just think you guys are doing more damage than good when you blindly vote against developers without any consideration.  It isn't productive from what I see.  It doesn't help the process.


if really without any consideration, all the workers have been voted out.
I appreciate dannotestein's opinion: "I do want to say that I don't feel any animosity towards those voting against the workers: I understand their position and have even agreed with some of their arguments",  both sides need to try to understand their counter party in a game.

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If people can't tell I find this whole thing pretty obnoxious.

I think the Chinese have a point.  Looks at the scape's video.  How many BTS did they get for that?  1600 views?  I thought it was a waste to begin with, but a real video that would be effective would have been work and not fun. Those guys milked that for a looong time. The non-technical scape was part of the reason I left. The other one was ended up being extremely valuable to the BTS ecosystem.

In the current form, I would never wish to work for the blockchain.  At one point I thought it was a cool idea.  Very sci-fi.  Neat stuff.  Now, I realize that the more you put your own well being in the hands of others, the more likely you are to just get screwed.  This is even more true, the more talented you are. I would not touch working for the BTS blockchain unless I absolutely had to do it. Far too many unknowns and whims of people controlling things.

The reason I was pulled into this thread is because someone suggested that a developer should just buy their stake, implement a feature and Allah willing they'd end up selling their stake for more. I'd love to see someone actually come up with numbers on how that is to work. It means the developer has enough money to gamble on BTS and then have enough to live off until they can cash back out. This only works assuming the gamble has a good chance of paying off.  What happens if BTS drops 40% during that time but then goes up 30% after the developers work is released?  How much money vs % of increase is required for this to be reasonable given what an average person would be willing to invest. To suggest this is an alternative model for development is stupid.  It assumes future developers must already be wealthy. Unlikely. 

I have never been against people judging the proposals on their individual merits.  I have never been against people being against dilution in general. I have been against this blind marching forward with nothing more than hope, while other projects are actually implementing new features.  I personally learned it was a big mistake putting much faith in Bytemaster's decision making. That doesn't impact my views on this.  To the contrary - I WANT to see BTS grow up and not be dependent on him. Shutting down all dilution/payment is not the way to do this.  It is just a recipe to not be competitive.

there is actually strong emotion of anti-dilution in China community, yunbi voted as requested by China community, however, it is not right to say that China stakeholders want to stop development.

anyway, we built the worker proposal mechanism means stakeholders are not supposed to support any development, they will vote based on their judgment. so developers need to explain the necessity and fair price of their work.

yes, as you had said, talented developers do not like to explain, anyway, maybe other people can explain instead of them? under the worker proposal system voters definitely need to understand they are paying for useful and effective job.

for example, AFAIK, most of China stakeholders do not think they need the BSIP10 feature, how they feel when they are aware they need to pay 50k/day for this?

I was also told by one Chinese programmer, "in my view ***'s work make sense, however the quality need to be improved."

please do not be scared by what yunbi did, 4 worker are still there and I think it's not easy to vote them out. and new workers still have chance to be voted in if enough voters are convinced.

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General Discussion / Re: Tether integration?
« on: April 02, 2016, 06:53:21 am »
any update on this @xeroc ?
I wonder if both sides are interested, then how can we integrate Bitshares and Tether?
I am also considering to provide a service to bridge tether.USD and TUSD, seems it's possible and will be welcomed.

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yunbi just vote all the refund/burn workers , the purpose is to raise the threshold to be workers.
the game rule is there, if you want to make money as a worker, you need to face the possibility to be voted out. surely you can try to convince the stake holders that your job is useful and effective. and then maybe you can be voted in.

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中文 (Chinese) / Re: 自平台测试链发布了
« on: March 20, 2016, 02:45:27 pm »
也许BTS过于复杂的收费机制真的最终会毁了自己?

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2 weeks passed, any further inputs?

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General Discussion / Re: Subsidizing Market Liquidity
« on: February 21, 2016, 02:42:54 am »
found no reason to support this.
users trade because they need to trade, because the need to get something by selling something else.
so the key point is to creat the real demand.
to reward the trading activity will distorte the encouragement,and make the system more complex with no necessity.

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Also, we propose to implement this new fee schedule for LTM-only for a period of time, and offer it to basic members only later. This way, we effectively upgrade memberships into premium products. As more and more features are added to LTM, we may increase the account upgrading fee accordingly.

I think the fee schedule should be offered to all the members from the beginning, to make a distinction in offering time regarding core fee schedule will make the basic user feel even worse and is not good for attracting more new users.
Sorry I didn't get your point. Imo it's a good strategy that provide difference services to VIPs and normal users.

they are already offered different service in the proposed fee schedule, for transfer fee:
for LTM: $0.018, 80% cash back.
for basic user :$0.018 no cash back.
right?
what I said is no need to implement this in different time for LTM and basic user.

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Also, we propose to implement this new fee schedule for LTM-only for a period of time, and offer it to basic members only later. This way, we effectively upgrade memberships into premium products. As more and more features are added to LTM, we may increase the account upgrading fee accordingly.

I think the fee schedule should be offered to all the members from the beginning, to make a distinction in offering time regarding core fee schedule will make the basic user feel even worse and is not good for attracting more new users.

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General Discussion / Re: Do we need mailinglist(s)?
« on: February 09, 2016, 10:45:53 am »
I think we can try it, yes Chinese people rarely use mailing list, but mailing list is indeed  a good tool to organize tasks.

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General Discussion / Re: Things I don't like about the committee
« on: February 08, 2016, 12:48:24 pm »
surely it's needed to seek consensus inside committee, and there is nothing strange for one committee member to consult other committee members before/after consulting the whole community.

committee members are similar to senators.

So what's the difference between a proxy and a committee member then?

You are effectively creating an elite of more privileged participants. Privileged to have special access to information and privileged to shape things up before they are presented to ordinary shareholders. This attracts the wrong type of people - those who enjoy power and privileges. Those who enjoy telling others: "we are very approachable".

Horribly wrong.

And unfortunately, xeroc, your initiative to consult political issues like fees with this self-proclaimed elite first, has set a terrible precedent.
I do believe your intentions were good and you only wanted to make the process more efficient - but I think you forgot about much more important principles.

please stop demonizing committee.

if you are talking about to increase the transparency of committee discussion, I agree, If you are saying that there should be no space for inner discussion in committee, I totally disagree.

take xeroc's proposal as an example, anyway he need to draft a proposal first, and consult committee members first could get some feedback that can help to refine the proposal before asking feedback from the whole community, I don't see any problem here.   

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General Discussion / Re: Happy New Year to all our Chinese cousins!
« on: February 08, 2016, 09:47:42 am »
Thanks! Happy New Year!

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中文 (Chinese) / Re: "CoinHoarder's machine" 是个什么鬼?
« on: February 08, 2016, 05:13:14 am »
公开不是问题,问题在于现行的推荐制度违背了“使用什么服务,向什么服务付钱”这一原则。
花几万BTS升级成了LTM,钱应该是付给网络的,因为服务是网络提供的,现在80%给推荐人,意思就是服务根本不值钱,值钱的是推荐人的吆喝呗?
一双运动鞋,其中百分之好几十都是销售费用是可以理解的,但一个互联网产品,价格的百分之八十给“推荐人”。看不出哪点可以理解。
这还没完,我作为一个服务提供者我还躲不开这推荐人制度。
本来2.0已有各种工具供服务提供者赚取利润,服务提供者有的是各种自己推广的手段和方法,而且这又牵涉到不同国家地区商业文化的不同,作为一个全球化的平台,用一个统一的模式绑架所有人,聪明乎?愚蠢乎?
而且还没看见推荐人制度如何应对"CoinHoarder's machine" 。
一句话,推荐人制度没有未来,是2.0的败笔。
在互联网时代搞这种推荐人制度,就如同在UBER时代还要再去新开出租车公司,理论上也许还可以赚点钱,但已经是逆时代潮流而动。
最悲催的是这制度还是号称站在时代最前沿的区块链公司搞的。

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anyone can explain what "zero fee" proposal really mean?

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