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Imagine having this made into a youtube music video (John Lennon / Imagine music of course https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yRhq-yO1KN8 (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yRhq-yO1KN8) ), and how it could spread virally through the crypto / non-crpyto community to get the message out... imagine...
And time it to coincide with this...
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/celebritynews/11243506/A-listers-assemble-for-largest-charity-singalong-of-John-Lennons-Imagine.html (http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/celebritynews/11243506/A-listers-assemble-for-largest-charity-singalong-of-John-Lennons-Imagine.html)
Lets say you get burgled and have to defend yourself, and prosecutors argue that you used excessive force (which people often do). How is a blockchain going to help you there? You need a lawyer.
And I cant imagine a world without prisons either. I especially think rapists should be imprisoned for far longer.
Lets say you get burgled and have to defend yourself, and prosecutors argue that you used excessive force (which people often do). How is a blockchain going to help you there? You need a lawyer.
And I cant imagine a world without prisons either. I especially think rapists should be imprisoned for far longer.
Imagine means "be creative" and look for a solution. In my opinion just because someone is raped they don't get a free pass on robbing someone else at gunpoint to pay to put someone in prison who has a non-0 % chance of being innocent. A significant number of "rape" cases are fraudulent charges or they accuse the wrong man.
I could go into an economic analysis of the situation... but imagine a solution exists that does not involve stealing from innocents to punish possible bad guys.
Better 100 guilty men go free than 1 innocent man rot in jail.
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As far as immediate self defense goes... that is up to public opinion. If jail is off the table then lawyers are optional.
http://youtu.be/Eh44QPT1mPE?t=1m47s
Imagine means "be creative" and look for a solution. In my opinion just because someone is raped they don't get a free pass on robbing someone else at gunpoint to pay to put someone in prison who has a non-0 % chance of being innocent. A significant number of "rape" cases are fraudulent charges or they accuse the wrong man.
Even one wrongly accused person in jail is a good enough reason for me, to declare the system not working, personally!Imagine means "be creative" and look for a solution. In my opinion just because someone is raped they don't get a free pass on robbing someone else at gunpoint to pay to put someone in prison who has a non-0 % chance of being innocent. A significant number of "rape" cases are fraudulent charges or they accuse the wrong man.
So its not the imprisoning you object to, just forcing tax-payers to pay for the prisons? I will gladly pay taxes to lock away rapists. The fact that a small number of innocent people are prosecuted is not a good reason for objecting to a prison itself.
I agree that if you could come up with a viable alternative, that would be very creative indeed.
BM has given up coding and now composing songs while walking up mountain trails.
We are all doomed!! Sell everything!!
Even one wrongly accused person in jail is a good enough reason for me, personally!Imagine means "be creative" and look for a solution. In my opinion just because someone is raped they don't get a free pass on robbing someone else at gunpoint to pay to put someone in prison who has a non-0 % chance of being innocent. A significant number of "rape" cases are fraudulent charges or they accuse the wrong man.
So its not the imprisoning you object to, just forcing tax-payers to pay for the prisons? I will gladly pay taxes to lock away rapists. The fact that a small number of innocent people are prosecuted is not a good reason for objecting to a prison itself.
I agree that if you could come up with a viable alternative, that would be very creative indeed.
And the sad fact is the number is between 30% and 75% depending on the 'crime' we are talking about. Mainly because somebody is paid to just put somebody in prison for every other crime.
Even one wrongly accused person in jail is a good enough reason for me, personally!
And the sad fact is the number is between 30% and 75% depending on the 'crime' we are talking about. Mainly because somebody is paid to just put somebody in prison for every other crime.
Even one wrongly accused person in jail is a good enough reason for me, personally!
And the sad fact is the number is between 30% and 75% depending on the 'crime' we are talking about. Mainly because somebody is paid to just put somebody in prison for every other crime.
I really hope this numbers are not accurate !!!
Better 100 guilty men go free than 1 innocent man rot in jail.Isis gunmans okay with that,
somebody is paid to just put somebody in prison for every other crime.
I do have an inner conflict about using this song as it "sacred" and I would be pissed off with any company that 'tampered' with it for financial gain. It could create a very negative knee-jerk response in anger at a company defacing a masterpiece and I have that feeling myself too, so I would prefer a different song be used! This could stir up a lot of negativity towards bitshares, what would I tell my friends lol? This is the kind of thing I would complain to them about, a company using dead artists gift to the world for profit. Is the song choice open for discussion? I would go for something more catchy and trivial. Maybe it being controversial and highly emotive could make it very effective. I don't know. Still its a very risky play.
If I have no choice in the matter and this song will be used anyway, I at least want it done effectively so here is my contribution:
Imagine
The song is very sombre if you listen to the original, if it's going to be used for marketing a remix should be used. I found this remix
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QbxKb4AFoes. Perhaps the creator could be paid for his permission for us to use it. It conveniently has no lyrics so they could simply be sung over the top.
These lyrics are be sung melodramatically, emotionally and clearly by an individual man with a small backing choir of girls or a lone very strong black female singer giving humorously dramatic and sexy echoes of the verses as they are sung (echoes are written in brackets)
Try listening though it with the remix starting at 1 minute 30 seconds:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QbxKb4AFoes
In Verse 1 theres a pause between the the main lyric and the echo, with the next line starting just as the echo ends. In verse two the echoes start immediately or overlapping with the main lyric line.
Verse 1:
Imagine there's free banking --pause-- (free banking)
it's here for everyone --pause-- (for everyone)
Nobody is left outside (no no no)
Not a single one --pause-- (not even a single one!)
Imagine there's free banking (ooh ohh ohh)
All sing: Earning you interest
Chorus:
You may say we are a business
And we open for you now (wow ohh)
I hope today you'll join us
and deposit to Bitshares
Verse 2:
Imagine there's no borders (imagine theres no borders)
no international fees, (no international fees no no)
hidden bills are sent to the hills (sent too the hills yeah)
And tax payers funds aren't used (yes we're actually solvent) (spoken not sung)
Imagine there's no borders
We have no remittance fees!
Chorus:
You may say we are a business
And we open for you now (wow ohh)
I hope today you'll join us
and deposit to Bitshares
Perhaps there could be images of "give peace a chance" shown at the start of the video and end with "Give Bitshares a Chance" Thought I'd add that idea in there.
I do have an inner conflict about using this song as it "sacred" and I would be pissed off with any company that 'tampered' with it for financial gain. It could create a very negative knee-jerk response in anger at a company defacing a masterpiece and I have that feeling myself too, so I would prefer a different song be used! This could stir up a lot of negativity towards bitshares, what would I tell my friends lol? This is the kind of thing I would complain to them about, a company using dead artists gift to the world for profit. Is the song choice open for discussion? I would go for something more catchy and trivial. Maybe it being controversial and highly emotive could make it very effective. I don't know. Still its a very risky play.
If I have no choice in the matter and this song will be used anyway, I at least want it done effectively so here is my contribution:
Imagine
The song is very sombre if you listen to the original, if it's going to be used for marketing a remix should be used. I found this remix
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QbxKb4AFoes. Perhaps the creator could be paid for his permission for us to use it. It conveniently has no lyrics so they could simply be sung over the top.
These lyrics are be sung melodramatically, emotionally and clearly by an individual man with a small backing choir of girls or a lone very strong black female singer giving humorously dramatic and sexy echoes of the verses as they are sung (echoes are written in brackets)
Try listening though it with the remix starting at 1 minute 30 seconds:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QbxKb4AFoes
In Verse 1 theres a pause between the the main lyric and the echo, with the next line starting just as the echo ends. In verse two the echoes start immediately or overlapping with the main lyric line.
Verse 1:
Imagine there's free banking --pause-- (free banking)
it's here for everyone --pause-- (for everyone)
Nobody is left outside (no no no)
Not a single one --pause-- (not even a single one!)
Imagine there's free banking (ooh ohh ohh)
All sing: Earning you interest
Chorus:
You may say we are a business
And we open for you now (wow ohh)
I hope today you'll join us
and deposit to Bitshares
Verse 2:
Imagine there's no borders (imagine theres no borders)
no international fees, (no international fees no no)
hidden bills are sent to the hills (sent too the hills yeah)
And tax payers funds aren't used (yes we're actually solvent) (spoken not sung)
Imagine there's no borders
We have no remittance fees!
Chorus:
You may say we are a business
And we open for you now (wow ohh)
I hope today you'll join us
and deposit to Bitshares
Perhaps there could be images of "give peace a chance" shown at the start of the video and end with "Give Bitshares a Chance" Thought I'd add that idea in there.
Yeah I'm undecided. I grew up in South Africa. It has one of the highest murder rates in the world and over 80% go unsolved. I won't go into the gruesome detail of how those statistics play out when they affect some of your closest family and friends as well as many other life changing crimes such as gang rape etc.
So I actually prefer myself as well as my friends and loved ones living in the UK that has some kind of law enforcement even though it's possible I could be unfairly on the receiving end of it. Of course the system is flawed & does degenerate into an abuse of power. There is also one law for some and another for others.
Also you'll find if you ever have the unfortunate experience of living in a lawless world that basic human psychology seems to result in street/mob justice with little due process and the punishment of death for crimes as trivial as being accused of stealing a mobile phone.
Decent documentary on community justice - http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=MKVBrR5YMJ0
http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=tyBzwEIj5QM
If there are blockchain solutions to some of these issues I welcome them.
Yeah I'm undecided. I grew up in South Africa. It has one of the highest murder rates in the world and over 80% go unsolved. I won't go into the gruesome detail of how those statistics play out when they affect some of your closest family and friends as well as many other life changing crimes such as gang rape etc.i love free world theory, im idealist inside of me, and
So I actually prefer myself as well as my friends and loved ones living in the UK that has some kind of law enforcement even though it's possible I could be unfairly on the receiving end of it. Of course the system is flawed & does degenerate into an abuse of power. There is also one law for some and another for others.
Also you'll find if you ever have the unfortunate experience of living in a lawless world that basic human psychology seems to result in street/mob justice with little due process and the punishment of death for crimes as trivial as being accused of stealing a mobile phone.
Decent documentary on community justice - http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=MKVBrR5YMJ0
http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=tyBzwEIj5QM
If there are blockchain solutions to some of these issues I welcome them.
I have learned a lot here about libertarianism and it resonates very well with many of my values! I'd like to learn more about the potential of a state free society.Yeah I'm undecided. I grew up in South Africa. It has one of the highest murder rates in the world and over 80% go unsolved. I won't go into the gruesome detail of how those statistics play out when they affect some of your closest family and friends as well as many other life changing crimes such as gang rape etc.
So I actually prefer myself as well as my friends and loved ones living in the UK that has some kind of law enforcement even though it's possible I could be unfairly on the receiving end of it. Of course the system is flawed & does degenerate into an abuse of power. There is also one law for some and another for others.
Also you'll find if you ever have the unfortunate experience of living in a lawless world that basic human psychology seems to result in street/mob justice with little due process and the punishment of death for crimes as trivial as being accused of stealing a mobile phone.
Decent documentary on community justice - http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=MKVBrR5YMJ0
http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=tyBzwEIj5QM
If there are blockchain solutions to some of these issues I welcome them.
I suggest that the problem in South Africa is not lack of prisons. Take that same population and impose US laws on them and nothing will change. If you think people obey laws simply because some politicians wrote them down on paper I have a bridge to sell you.
Good people don't need laws, bad people don't follow laws. A free market system for coordinating non-violent solutions to crime can make a world of difference in places like South Africa.
Weird... in the frenzy of my last nights posting and the forum software playing ticks on me, my response to Emperical got lost...
In short, do you believe that the crime in GB is less than in your home country because the Brits have 50x better penalties or better law enforcement or better police? Or just because the criminals are 50x less likely to commit crimes?
My answer is simple - there are 50 better ways to make a living in GB, so the crime is about 50x less...
And doubling the # of persons, the money spent on crime prevention, and doubling the penalties in any of those 2 will do nothing to the real crime level.
Lets say you get burgled and have to defend yourself, and prosecutors argue that you used excessive force (which people often do). How is a blockchain going to help you there? You need a lawyer.
And I cant imagine a world without prisons either. I especially think rapists should be imprisoned for far longer.
Imagine means "be creative" and look for a solution. In my opinion just because someone is raped they don't get a free pass on robbing someone else at gunpoint to pay to put someone in prison who has a non-0 % chance of being innocent. A significant number of "rape" cases are fraudulent charges or they accuse the wrong man.
I could go into an economic analysis of the situation... but imagine a solution exists that does not involve stealing from innocents to punish possible bad guys.
Better 100 guilty men go free than 1 innocent man rot in jail.
As far as immediate self defense goes... that is up to public opinion. If jail is off the table then lawyers are optional.
Agreed ... although .. from blockchain perspective .. BM can be "replaced" as a developer ... just saying
The blockchain is independent of the devs!!
I can make this into an original song if you so desire.I say - just do it!
Agreed ... although .. from blockchain perspective .. BM can be "replaced" as a developer ... just saying
The blockchain is independent of the devs!!
Yes but from the public's perspective BM is the creator and founder--->therefore anything he says or does can and will be held against the blockchain in the mainstream media.
I think that might have been one of the reasons Satoshi wanted to remain anonymous and left bitcoin after it could walk on it's own.
I can make this into an original song if you so desire.
I can make this into an original song if you so desire.
Plus five
Agreed ... although .. from blockchain perspective .. BM can be "replaced" as a developer ... just saying
The blockchain is independent of the devs!!
Yes but from the public's perspective BM is the creator and founder--->therefore anything he says or does can and will be held against the blockchain in the mainstream media.
I think that might have been one of the reasons Satoshi wanted to remain anonymous and left bitcoin after it could walk on it's own.
I think most people who are drawn to BitShares will believe in greater individual freedom and privacy to some degree.
I think a key leader, like Bytemaster, who believes in those ideals to the maximum is probably a positive. So even though I think these ideas will create some robust debates, & I personally think he's too idealistic, that's kind of the point of the song 'Some may say I'm a dreamer' I also think now that we've transitioned to more of a competitive company than crypto-currency metaphor that it's also good to root ourselves in some meaning or purpose that's not entirely Darwinistically ruthless and his personal vision for the world is something that does that.
I can make this into an original song if you so desire.
Plus five
Lets do it :)
Very fervent and cogitative post.
I just LOVE the lyrics as well. [additions are an attempt to improve on something already great]
"Imagine there is was free banking --pause-- (free banking)
it's here there for everyone --pause-- (for everyone to use)
Nobody is No-one left outside (no no no)
Not a single one --pause-- (not even a single one!)
Imagine there's free banking (ooh ohh ohh)
All sing: Earning your interest
Chorus:
You may say we are a business/You may say you have a business
And we open for you now (wow ohh)
I hope today you'll join us
"
Modify message
QuoteVery fervent and cogitative post.
I just LOVE the lyrics as well. [additions are an attempt to improve on something already great]
"Imagine there is was free banking --pause-- (free banking)
it's here there for everyone --pause-- (for everyone to use)
Nobody is No-one left outside (no no no)
Not a single one --pause-- (not even a single one!)
Imagine there's free banking (ooh ohh ohh)
All sing: Earning your interest
Chorus:
You may say we are a business/You may say you have a business
And we open for you now (wow ohh)
I hope today you'll join us
"
Modify message
I think we should have a competition for the best song lyrics. We should really do this one right.
$500 BitUSD for someone who can produce the best lyrics.
$500 BitUSD for someone who can produce the best rendition.
$500 BitUSD for someone who can produce the best video to go with the rendition.
Some comments.... we want people to imagine all the freedom we can have by working together outside the existing system. Merchants, Traders, Individuals, working together, cooperating.
Imagine a community
Imagine a cooperative
Imagine a company
Imagine a country
Imagine a currency
Imagine them all as one!
QuoteVery fervent and cogitative post.
I just LOVE the lyrics as well. [additions are an attempt to improve on something already great]
"Imagine there is was free banking --pause-- (free banking)
it's here there for everyone --pause-- (for everyone to use)
Nobody is No-one left outside (no no no)
Not a single one --pause-- (not even a single one!)
Imagine there's free banking (ooh ohh ohh)
All sing: Earning your interest
Chorus:
You may say we are a business/You may say you have a business
And we open for you now (wow ohh)
I hope today you'll join us
"
Modify message
I think we should have a competition for the best song lyrics. We should really do this one right.
$500 BitUSD for someone who can produce the best lyrics.
$500 BitUSD for someone who can produce the best rendition.
$500 BitUSD for someone who can produce the best video to go with the rendition.
Some comments.... we want people to imagine all the freedom we can have by working together outside the existing system. Merchants, Traders, Individuals, working together, cooperating.
Imagine a community
Imagine a cooperative
Imagine a company
Imagine a country
Imagine a currency
Imagine them all as one!
Would this be something we'd want to push in our social media? We've been talking about doing a major push when 0.4.5 is released, this could be a great motivator for those that might have left our daily orbit to come back home.
QuoteVery fervent and cogitative post.
I just LOVE the lyrics as well. [additions are an attempt to improve on something already great]
"Imagine there is was free banking --pause-- (free banking)
it's here there for everyone --pause-- (for everyone to use)
Nobody is No-one left outside (no no no)
Not a single one --pause-- (not even a single one!)
Imagine there's free banking (ooh ohh ohh)
All sing: Earning your interest
Chorus:
You may say we are a business/You may say you have a business
And we open for you now (wow ohh)
I hope today you'll join us
"
Modify message
I think we should have a competition for the best song lyrics. We should really do this one right.
$500 BitUSD for someone who can produce the best lyrics.
$500 BitUSD for someone who can produce the best rendition.
$500 BitUSD for someone who can produce the best video to go with the rendition.
Some comments.... we want people to imagine all the freedom we can have by working together outside the existing system. Merchants, Traders, Individuals, working together, cooperating.
Imagine a community
Imagine a cooperative
Imagine a company
Imagine a country
Imagine a currency
Imagine them all as one!
Would this be something we'd want to push in our social media? We've been talking about doing a major push when 0.4.5 is released, this could be a great motivator for those that might have left our daily orbit to come back home.
Yes... I think having a huge bounty that is marketed would be a great way to draw attention to what we are doing and what we stand for. If we are to do this then I need to write up a more through vision to help inspire people to understand.
QuoteVery fervent and cogitative post.
I just LOVE the lyrics as well. [additions are an attempt to improve on something already great]
"Imagine there is was free banking --pause-- (free banking)
it's here there for everyone --pause-- (for everyone to use)
Nobody is No-one left outside (no no no)
Not a single one --pause-- (not even a single one!)
Imagine there's free banking (ooh ohh ohh)
All sing: Earning your interest
Chorus:
You may say we are a business/You may say you have a business
And we open for you now (wow ohh)
I hope today you'll join us
"
Modify message
I think we should have a competition for the best song lyrics. We should really do this one right.
$500 BitUSD for someone who can produce the best lyrics.
$500 BitUSD for someone who can produce the best rendition.
$500 BitUSD for someone who can produce the best video to go with the rendition.
Some comments.... we want people to imagine all the freedom we can have by working together outside the existing system. Merchants, Traders, Individuals, working together, cooperating.
Imagine a community
Imagine a cooperative
Imagine a company
Imagine a country
Imagine a currency
Imagine them all as one!
Would this be something we'd want to push in our social media? We've been talking about doing a major push when 0.4.5 is released, this could be a great motivator for those that might have left our daily orbit to come back home.
Yes... I think having a huge bounty that is marketed would be a great way to draw attention to what we are doing and what we stand for. If we are to do this then I need to write up a more through vision to help inspire people to understand.
You could cross-market this with PeerTracks. Best song winner gets to have the first artist coin asset, etc.
I can make this into an original song if you so desire.
Plus five
Lets do it :)
Using who's lyrics? :D
If this is something the community really wants...I can get together with the same producer that I worked with on the Welcome To The Blockchain song and we can create something original for Bitshares....am I to understand that there will be a minimum 500 BitUSD reward if it is favored by the community?
If this is something the community really wants...I can get together with the same producer that I worked with on the Welcome To The Blockchain song and we can create something original for Bitshares....am I to understand that there will be a minimum 500 BitUSD reward if it is favored by the community?
Yes... actually it will be "favored by me" because it should represent my vision... but I will highly factor in community opinion.
If this is something the community really wants...I can get together with the same producer that I worked with on the Welcome To The Blockchain song and we can create something original for Bitshares....am I to understand that there will be a minimum 500 BitUSD reward if it is favored by the community?
Yes... actually it will be "favored by me" because it should represent my vision... but I will highly factor in community opinion.
If this is something the community really wants...I can get together with the same producer that I worked with on the Welcome To The Blockchain song and we can create something original for Bitshares....am I to understand that there will be a minimum 500 BitUSD reward if it is favored by the community?
Yes... actually it will be "favored by me" because it should represent my vision... but I will highly factor in community opinion.
Evolvo, if you can do a song like that for BitShares, then Dan won't be the only one sending some BTS or BitUSD your way. The lyrics could frame the vision or they could help explain it or both.
If this is something the community really wants...I can get together with the same producer that I worked with on the Welcome To The Blockchain song and we can create something original for Bitshares....am I to understand that there will be a minimum 500 BitUSD reward if it is favored by the community?
Yes... actually it will be "favored by me" because it should represent my vision... but I will highly factor in community opinion.
Evolvo, if you can do a song like that for BitShares, then Dan won't be the only one sending some BTS or BitUSD your way. The lyrics could frame the vision or they could help explain it or both.
What I'm envisioning is something that communicates the advantages of Bitshares from a technological, financial, and macro-economic perspective while underpinning that with the philosophical foundation upon which it rests. I hope that's something that Bytemaster and the community can get behind.
Songs should communicate vision and emotion, no technical details.
Just promote our vision of what the world looks like if everyone used bitshares, which Dan outlined in this thread.
Leave the technical details to a link that someone follows if they like the song.
Remember the TED video... we are still small... if we can win over the 10% of the 3% that voted for Ron Paul we will have a huge user base. Bitcoin was born on the backs of these users and has gone astray. If we can recover and convert the original Bitcoin believers then they can do for us what they did for Bitcoin.
I think we sell the GOAL and not the MEANS. BitShares is an imperfect attempt/compromise to realize a universal goal: non-violence and world peace and prosperity. I am just uncompromising in my pursuit of those goals. As long as we are careful to separate the goal from the means we can gain support from everyone.
Remember the TED video... we are still small... if we can win over the 10% of the 3% that voted for Ron Paul we will have a huge user base. Bitcoin was born on the backs of these users and has gone astray. If we can recover and convert the original Bitcoin believers then they can do for us what they did for Bitcoin.
I think we sell the GOAL and not the MEANS. BitShares is an imperfect attempt/compromise to realize a universal goal: non-violence and world peace and prosperity. I am just uncompromising in my pursuit of those goals. As long as we are careful to separate the goal from the means we can gain support from everyone.
I was under the impression that we were going after a more mainstream audience? I must have missed the thread where this plan changed.
I'm fine with focusing on a libertarian audience and I guess having a politically charged "leader" works in that case. Just keep in mind that if we were to go after a mainstream audience it would hurt us (unless going after a mainstream audience is out the window?).
P.S. to anyone who thinks I'm talking about the song, I'm not. The song is fine. I'm talking about BM's political comments that don't directly have to do with BTS.
I think we sell the GOAL and not the MEANS. BitShares is an imperfect attempt/compromise to realize a universal goal: non-violence and world peace and prosperity. I am just uncompromising in my pursuit of those goals.
If this is something the community really wants...I can get together with the same producer that I worked with on the Welcome To The Blockchain song and we can create something original for Bitshares....am I to understand that there will be a minimum 500 BitUSD reward if it is favored by the community?
Yes... actually it will be "favored by me" because it should represent my vision... but I will highly factor in community opinion.
Evolvo, if you can do a song like that for BitShares, then Dan won't be the only one sending some BTS or BitUSD your way. The lyrics could frame the vision or they could help explain it or both.
What I'm envisioning is something that communicates the advantages of Bitshares from a technological, financial, and macro-economic perspective while underpinning that with the philosophical foundation upon which it rests. I hope that's something that Bytemaster and the community can get behind.
I'm not talking about authority as in expertise. That is earned, it has merit and that is what has value. Real experts have "authority" not b/c someone says they do but rather b/c they have results to show they are experts. Labels people or institutions associate with someone are just claims which are often hollow and without substance to back them up.
Authority is a religion and it is belief and trust in it that is the cause of more death than ANY OTHER FACTOR.
You can't talk about the "how" without explaining conceptually at least what the advantages are...these are technological AND economic advantages. To be honest I don't fully understand how the technology works (coding, etc..)..I simply understand the concepts and how they relate to the larger ideals of freedom, economics, etc..
You can't talk about the "how" without explaining conceptually at least what the advantages are...these are technological AND economic advantages. To be honest I don't fully understand how the technology works (coding, etc..)..I simply understand the concepts and how they relate to the larger ideals of freedom, economics, etc..
This is an idealist vision, but it also has a practical side. In aiming for a utopian vision, I think it's perfectly okay to highlight what needs to change for us to get there. BitShares enables many of those changes. I'm upset my bank charges me high fees. Why does it need to take days to send money to someone? Now they got hacked and everyone's social security numbers were stolen. Makes me want to tear up my credit cards and live free. In a good way. The anger is part of breaking free and declaring independence, releasing from that system and embracing a better future.
Remember the TED video... we are still small... if we can win over the 10% of the 3% that voted for Ron Paul we will have a huge user base. Bitcoin was born on the backs of these users and has gone astray. If we can recover and convert the original Bitcoin believers then they can do for us what they did for Bitcoin.
I think we sell the GOAL and not the MEANS. BitShares is an imperfect attempt/compromise to realize a universal goal: non-violence and world peace and prosperity. I am just uncompromising in my pursuit of those goals. As long as we are careful to separate the goal from the means we can gain support from everyone.
I was under the impression that we were going after a more mainstream audience? I must have missed the thread where this plan changed.
I'm fine with focusing on a libertarian audience and I guess having a politically charged "leader" works in that case. Just keep in mind that if we were to go after a mainstream audience it would hurt us (unless going after a mainstream audience is out the window?).
P.S. to anyone who thinks I'm talking about the song, I'm not. The song is fine. I'm talking about BM's political comments that don't directly have to do with BTS.
Early adoption is not a one-size-fits-all proposition.
We are going for mainstream (next year)... but in the short term we need to find more "true believers" who are in this for the vision and not just the service.
I think we sell the GOAL and not the MEANS. BitShares is an imperfect attempt/compromise to realize a universal goal: non-violence and world peace and prosperity. I am just uncompromising in my pursuit of those goals.
You certainly have my support in striving for these goals, and I'll remember you said the text I highlighted.
I don't know who / what sources you have studied to arrive here with your non-statist perspective, but I can "imagine" contributors like Stefan Molyneux and Larken Rose to name just a two.
When I see threads like this I feel like a 4 year old trying to relate how alien beings just landed in the backyard to his grand dad. So much must be understood about human behavior, psychopathy, sociology and history to paint a comprehensive picture about why the concept of authority is so powerful yet so terrible.
I'm not talking about authority as in expertise. That is earned, it has merit and that is what has value. Real experts have "authority" not b/c someone says they do but rather b/c they have results to show they are experts. Labels people or institutions associate with someone are just claims which are often hollow and without substance to back them up.
Authority is a good example of a word whose use has been manipulated and twisted, blurring the distinction between authority which is arbitrary, appointed and a symbol of power and control to that which deserves respect because of work performed or practical knowledge attained through experience or intrinsic abilities.
Authority is a religion and it is belief and trust in it that is the cause of more death than ANY OTHER FACTOR. "I was just following orders". Look up the Milgram experiment and then tell me you think authority is rational. How does such a value become so ingrained in the human psyche that they will sacrifice their own self interests, ignore their own values and beliefs to defer to those of "some authority"?
The fundamental reason is b/c we're trained that way by our parents which is further reinforced by society and societies' institutions. We are no longer taught how to think or how to ask questions to ascertain truth.
Imagine there's no bitshares
its easy if you try
no money for us
above us only sky
imagine all the people
working without pay
you-hoo-oooh ooo
imagine there's no sovereign
it isn't hard to do
nothing to kill or die for
nothing for you to do
imagine all the people
living life in peace
you may say we are dreamers
but were not the only ones
bitcoin and doge doggies will join us
bitshares crypto will be the one
imagine your possessions
to keep because you can
no greed or hunger
you feed your fellow man
imagine all the bitshares
sharing all the world
you hoo ooh ooo
you may say Dan's a dreamer
but he's not the only one
I hope someday you will join him
but for now you should code for fun
Weird... in the frenzy of my last nights posting and the forum software playing ticks on me, my response to Emperical got lost...
In short, do you believe that the crime in GB is less than in your home country because the Brits have 50x better penalties or better law enforcement or better police? Or just because the criminals are 50x less likely to commit crimes?
My answer is simple - there are 50 better ways to make a living in GB, so the crime is about 50x less...
And doubling the # of persons, the money spent on crime prevention, and doubling the penalties in any of those 2 will do nothing to the real crime level.
All of those are a factor. Better law enforcement is the key though.
You are either harshly deterred by the likelihood of getting caught & the punishment, be it from law or violence from community justice. (Given the choice between community violence or shunning, few would choose the violence, hence the communities free market solution to deterring crime is violence :( ) Where deterrents are ineffective, good law enforcement can at least remove people from society. As I mentioned though even the best legal system is not without many terrible faults.
Only people sheltered by a semi-functioning first world legal system and a poor understanding of human psychology tend to believe in far more idealistic alternatives. I think the alternatives sound wonderful though, I encourage pursuit of them whether through blockchain technology or other methods, any ways of creating respectful harmonious societies that require less threats of force or violence. Just don't expect me or my loved ones to live in them till the concepts are fairly well proven in practice.
Edit: My current framework revolves around maximum individual freedom, whilst protecting people from violence, rape & serious crime. I also want to protect 'alleged' criminals from violence too.
My belief is any form of psychological punishment is both an insufficient psychological deterrent for violent crime and insufficient psychological punishment/justice from the POV of the victim and their loved ones that are affected by it, at this current stage of human evolution. Many rapists, murderers and people who enjoy violence are repeat offenders and so society is protected if they are removed. So I am in favour of a some legal system to deal with this issues and have yet to see something I consider a viable alternative.
BM has given up coding and now composing songs while walking up mountain trails.
We are all doomed!! Sell everything!!
Lol lol indeed doomed !!!!
I do have an inner conflict about using this song as it "sacred" and I would be pissed off with any company that 'tampered' with it for financial gain. It could create a very negative knee-jerk response in anger at a company defacing a masterpiece and I have that feeling myself too, so I would prefer a different song be used! This could stir up a lot of negativity towards bitshares, what would I tell my friends lol? This is the kind of thing I would complain to them about, a company using dead artists gift to the world for profit. Is the song choice open for discussion? I would go for something more catchy and trivial. Maybe it being controversial and highly emotive could make it very effective. I don't know. Still its a very risky play.
If I have no choice in the matter and this song will be used anyway, I at least want it done effectively so here is my contribution:
Imagine
The song is very sombre if you listen to the original, if it's going to be used for marketing a remix should be used. I found this remix
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QbxKb4AFoes. Perhaps the creator could be paid for his permission for us to use it. It conveniently has no lyrics so they could simply be sung over the top.
These lyrics are be sung melodramatically, emotionally and clearly by an individual man with a small backing choir of girls or a lone very strong black female singer giving humorously dramatic and sexy echoes of the verses as they are sung (echoes are written in brackets)
Try listening though it with the remix starting at 1 minute 30 seconds:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QbxKb4AFoes
In Verse 1 theres a pause between the the main lyric and the echo, with the next line starting just as the echo ends. In verse two the echoes start immediately or overlapping with the main lyric line.
Verse 1:
Imagine there's free banking --pause-- (free banking)
it's here for everyone --pause-- (for everyone)
Nobody is left outside (no no no)
Not a single one --pause-- (not even a single one!)
Imagine there's free banking (ooh ohh ohh)
All sing: Earning you interest
Chorus:
You may say we are a business
And we open for you now (wow ohh)
I hope today you'll join us
and deposit to Bitshares
Verse 2:
Imagine there's no borders (imagine theres no borders)
no international fees, (no international fees no no)
hidden bills are sent to the hills (sent too the hills yeah)
And tax payers funds aren't used (yes we're actually solvent) (spoken not sung)
Imagine there's no borders
We have no remittance fees!
Chorus:
You may say we are a business
And we open for you now (wow ohh)
I hope today you'll join us
and deposit to Bitshares
Perhaps there could be images of "give peace a chance" shown at the start of the video and end with "Give Bitshares a Chance" Thought I'd add that idea in there.
If this is something the community really wants...I can get together with the same producer that I worked with on the Welcome To The Blockchain song and we can create something original for Bitshares....am I to understand that there will be a minimum 500 BitUSD reward if it is favored by the community?
Yes... actually it will be "favored by me" because it should represent my vision... but I will highly factor in community opinion.
Evolvo, if you can do a song like that for BitShares, then Dan won't be the only one sending some BTS or BitUSD your way. The lyrics could frame the vision or they could help explain it or both.
What I'm envisioning is something that communicates the advantages of Bitshares from a technological, financial, and macro-economic perspective while underpinning that with the philosophical foundation upon which it rests. I hope that's something that Bytemaster and the community can get behind.