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There's a tv show in the UK running now called 'The Bank: A matter of life and debt"

Cheers Permie, I'm gonna watch that on iPlayer.   :)

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So should we attempt to get the UK to create a User Issued Asset on BitShares? :P
A whole nation state's cryptocurrency as a BitShares UIA!!!
I believe, because our platform is so flexible, can give them the features they require...

In particular, a digital currency owned by the UK government would be controlled by a central body ...
Yep - the issuer can retain control

The response suggests a government-issued digital currency should be designed in such a way that its ownership and use can be traced, enabling law enforcement agencies to identify whether it has been used for criminal or terrorist purposes and who by.
Yeah - whitelisting could be useful here

Regulation should also require that any digital currency involved in criminal activity can be seized by the authorities, the department’s response states.
Aye! The issuer of an asset can do this.

It suggests a government-created cryptocurrency should be designed in such a way that fraudulent transactions can be reversed.
Yes, I think this can be done too.

N.B. to any reading this who are unfamiliar with BitShares - it is also possible to create assets on BitShares which CANNOT do these things, so don't worry if you don't like any of these features!

edit: Nobody needs to point out that this would never happen by the way

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General Discussion / Re: Dan's Interview is on 'Let's Talk Bitcoin'
« on: June 20, 2015, 10:59:44 pm »
It's a good overview of where BitShares now stands, well done bytemaster.
If I were ignorant of BitShares and then I listened to that, I'd be reading, learning, heading over to this forum and buying.
I wonder if this will bring in more people.

One thing I don't understand - to what does 'Some Other Castle' refer? I've not heard the phrase before!

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Permie - it seems you've only been around for a short while, but you're a very valuable and positive presence! +5%
One day you suddenly came bursting onto the scene! BOOM!!!
Where have you come from?

To see how to insert your link, go to quote my post and you'll see the formatting. Funnily enough I can't work out how to show the format literally!



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General Discussion / Dan's Interview is on 'Let's Talk Bitcoin'
« on: June 20, 2015, 06:47:09 pm »
Let's Talk Bitcoin! #223 Some Other Castle
@bytemaster is interviewed by Adam B. Levine
I haven't listened yet, but here's a heads up for you all...

edit:
Ha! I just thought! If you're gonna sign up at 'Let's Talk Bitcoin' you could use my referral link https://letstalkbitcoin.com?ref=9b29def8

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General Discussion / Re: New accounts last 24h:
« on: June 19, 2015, 06:14:35 pm »
I still seem to have had new rules applied retrospectively in my case, invalidating my attempts to protect my own trademarks. Because I registered my names on the chain but didn't use the faucet. I can't un-not-use the faucet.

No rules have been changed retroactively.  The rules were set on June 8th and 17th respectively.  If your name is non premium, and was registered before June 17th.  You are just fine.

There is no guarantee that these names will be usable as domains when the domain system goes live.  I don't think that system is even completely designed yet.

@Methodise
puppies is right. Nothing was changed retroactively. See here.

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This quote is from a post on a different thread.
It's similar to what bytemaster said above, but also mentions how the ability to change keys is also very important to the private individual if they are inclined to keep their account name

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The important part of transferable account names is having the ability to change the keys associated with the name.
If BitShares is going to be widely adopted, having this ability is almost essential. People or businesses will need to keep an account name, and to build their business or reputation upon it. This has major security concerns, because in the real world people have problems obeying 'best practice'. We all know that not everyone can keep all information secure all of the time.

The ability to change the keys associated with an account is a massive benefit because it allows this concern to be significantly mitigated. If a member of staff has access to the keys, then they leave the company, the company can just change the keys. Likewise for private individuals who realize they didn't follow best practices, or who find malware on their computer...et cetera

I will certainly be changing my keys, once my account is migrated to 2.0, because I'm not sure that my keys are 100% secure, and I want to keep my account name. (I'm very please with the setup for easier and more functional security features in 2.0 by the way)

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I would rather get rid of account names entirely than keep them non-transferable.

I agree with arhag. There's no question in my mind that having account names without the ability to change the keys would be disastrous. This is solely down to the security issues for me.

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General Discussion / Re: New accounts last 24h:
« on: June 18, 2015, 08:39:30 pm »
fuzzy - It was NameNarwhal who obtained all these names. They posted first here.

I wonder if @NameNarwhal would want to join a mumble session?

Sounds like a great idea.  A deal could be arranged where both parties are happy rather than just one.  Maybe we could pay him a certain amount via a worker proposal to find bugs like this in the future.  Everytime he(she?) finds a similar bug, maximize the leveraging of it to show the importance of it being fixed, then openly allow the change and be paid for finding it.  :)

 +5%
It'd be excellent to achieve such an outcome. It's certainly worth discussing if NameNarwhal is willing.

By the way @NameNarwhal, in a mumble session you can do any combination of listen, type messages, and speak.

This is a quote from you and it's pretty positive.
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I believe the BitShares system is the perfect base for a de-centralized DNS system. And I hope to contribute to that process - I have lots of experience with domain names and I'd like to support the community in making the BitShares namespace become more valuable. I'm clearly setting myself up to be interested in having that happen - I'm making an investment into BitShares.

The source for Graphene indicates that it may eventually become possible to use BitShares names as collateral. Think about it - if someone is running a business using a BitShares DNS name (or a future DNS-like system), that name is going to become valuable collateral. And if the system allows them to use it as collateral, the price of BitShares will start to become supported (indirectly) from assets outside of the BitShares system. I think that's extremely powerful and will be very good for BitShares community.

I have a way to - without overly bloating the blockchain - allow people to use their bitshares names for DNS and much more. And I look forward to discussing those ideas with all of you.

It'd be fantastic to hear more from you...

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General Discussion / Re: New accounts last 24h:
« on: June 18, 2015, 08:06:25 pm »
fuzzy - It was NameNarwhal who obtained all these names. They posted first here.

I wonder if @NameNarwhal would want to join a mumble session?

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General Discussion / Re: New accounts last 24h:
« on: June 18, 2015, 07:24:26 pm »
Why should he surrender any names? This is a democratic system is it not? Surely if one person takes the liberty to spend or invest his coins in domains / username assets before anybody else then that is to his advantage. You snooze you lose.. We all have access to the same system as he does, why not register multiple names yourselves?

I'm not saying he or she should surrender the names. That doesn't mean we cannot ask. If we could reach a voluntary agreement with which he or she would be happy, then wouldn't that be a good outcome?

In a democratic system, by the way, rule of the majority can apply. Democracy applied in this instance could lead to the majority 'legitimately' ganging up on NameNarwhal and not allow him or her to keep the names in BitShares 2.0.
I have already spoken up against this sort of action, as I think it harmful. (I do, by the way understand people's counter-arguments and sympathise with them to a point).


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General Discussion / Re: New accounts last 24h:
« on: June 18, 2015, 06:30:23 pm »
Maybe the Narwhal could be persuaded to relinquish the names if we ask nicely. Maybe the Narwhal would be receptive to a decent discussion with a representative from the BitShares community. Maybe a compromise could be reached whereby the Narwhal could agree to forgo migration of the majority of the names they've registered.

Has this even been attempted?
Mr or Mrs Narwhal - has anyone tried this yet? Would you consider giving up some names?

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General Discussion / Re: New bitshares.org Feedback
« on: June 18, 2015, 05:14:12 pm »
valzav maintains the faucet; if something is broken probably fastest to PM him.

Done.
Thanks vikram

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General Discussion / Re: New accounts last 24h:
« on: June 18, 2015, 01:38:03 pm »
The important part of transferable account names is having the ability to change the keys associated with the name.
If BitShares is going to be widely adopted, having this ability is almost essential.

Isn't that what we just bought?

Currently no crypto in the cosmos can do this. 

I thought that we had first mover advantage of this feature all locked up?

Yep, I could have phrased it better - BitShares DOES have this feature as of 2.0


Afaik for businesses you can have accounts without a single private key but with a set if privkeys with threshold signing .. hence you can do transfers from that account only if a particular threshold of key weights signes the transaction ..

Else, i totally agree and intend to change my owner keys too ..

Yeah, there are loads of ways to implement security which are enabled in 2.0, such as that which you mention.
Even with the function you mentioned, over time, multiple keys can leak in various ways. For this reason the ability to start again with new keys is important.

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Hadrian, I applaud your forward thinking. I haven't seen nearly enough of that around here lately. Aside from NameNarWhal's registration initiative that is  ;)

The dev staff is probably too busy to think about this now. What we need is to come up with a list of such issues in a single thread, and elsewhere, in a different thread we can discuss them. A locked sticky that only the mods can add / edit, with content culled from anywhere else an issue is raised, like your OP here. I would title that item as Proposal Procedures.

Vikram mentioned elsewhere he would update the migration page of the website if additions & clarifications are needed. I don't think this falls into that category, I think it's a bit different animal, tho it clearly is related to migration to 2.0. I see it as a gap that needs some serious thought and consideration.

IMO you're spot on in thinking it's not such a simple thing to implement a workable system, especially as you point out if we have far more users with potentially divergent ideas of governance. It strikes to the core of how DPoS 2.0 will function. There are some fundamental decisions that must be made first, like how many Delegates are required and what the actual fee schedule for their registration will be and what qualifications they must have. Who knows who is even interested in becoming an unpaid Delegate under DPoS 2.0?

BM said in a mumble that the devs would be the initial set of Delegates until others are voted into place, and that they (CNX) does not want to be in those positions after some (as yet undefined) conditions are met. In my view there are still many things like this that we haven't begun to talk about, and we could really use a systematic approach to doing so.

Leadership to organize all of these things and focus our attention so they can be identified, discussed and resolved would sure be welcome. Perhaps it's too early for that, but I don't think so. It just seems to be an area of little concern at the moment though, at least I don't see much concern expressed like this.

Just who would be the ideal party to do this? Who have you seen in the community that has demonstrated leadership traits and organization skills that could guide such an effort? Chime in with your favorite candidate and tell us why you think he would be a good choice for this role.

I like what you're suggesting Thom. There are many people capable of doing this. My guess is there would be a problem finding somebody with the time to do it. Would anyone reading this like to put their name forward for such a role, please? Maybe we could entice someone by asking people directly. How about you, Thom? :P

Maybe there could be regular think-tank sessions using the mumble facility set up by @fuzzy? This may be an efficient way to get various issues discussed. If the timezone thing's a problem people could submit subjects for discussion along with ideas for solutions on this forum. After the mumble, someone could write up a summary to be posted on this forum, so people can assess and comment on any conclusions.

edit: even if people can't make it to a mumble session, they may find it very interesting to listen to a recording. It may give people 'food for thought' and could inspire someone to come up with a great solution to improve BitShares.

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