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General Discussion / Re: Liquidity Proposal
« on: December 01, 2015, 10:00:09 am »
Arbitrage opportunities present themselves in inefficient markets. We're not trying to create inefficient markets. There shouldn't be arbitrage opportunities.

Aren't all markets inefficient without arbitrage?

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Don't forex brokers use reverse notation compared to bitshares? I.e. BTS/USD means USD per BTS in forex terms and BTS per USD in bitshares?

Yes you are correct.  A EUR/USD quote of 1.06 would mean 1 euro = 1.06 usd.

So bitshares price of 330 should read 330 USD/BTS if we were to use standard forex terminology.

330 USD/BTS is in the USD/BTS, i.e. priced in BTS market
it would be
0.003030 BTS/USD in the BTS/USD market. Confused? Right. Because all the symbols. Much clearer to write:

330 BTS
0.003030 USD.

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Don't forex brokers use reverse notation compared to bitshares? I.e. BTS/USD means USD per BTS in forex terms and BTS per USD in bitshares?

Forex and general bitcoin exchanges list markets like this:

base quote

sometimes

base / quote

For some reason, bitshares has

base : quote

but at least they're the same way around.

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How providing a clear information on base and counter currencies makes you confused? It does not confuse me at all. It is the absolutely right thing to do.

Because you're listing two different currencies which the user has to then parse to figure out what the actual price is denominated in. This is not standard on any exchange I have seen.

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The base and counter currencies should be clearly stated everywhere next to the price.

Absolutely not. That is very confusing. It is obvious what market you're in, all you need to know are amounts (with symbol) and prices (with symbol).

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This has been bugging me for a while:

Indicating everywhere in the trade UI that prices are BTS/USD is incredibly confusing; that terminology isn't used on any exchange anywhere, and it confuses people. Having just USD will be so much easier to understand.

So, don't have this:

price : 20 USD/BTS, have this instead:
price 20 USD

That will cut down on clutter and be more inline with other exchanges.

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General Discussion / Re: [ANN] MUSE/BTC market added to Metaexchange!
« on: November 27, 2015, 02:58:24 pm »
Can we have it in the webwallet?

I don't think MUSE has a web wallet? We could integrate into their lite wallet, of course :)

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General Discussion / [ANN] MUSE/BTC market added to Metaexchange!
« on: November 27, 2015, 12:05:05 pm »
Hi everyone,

We're pleased to continue our relationship with liquidity provider, @Riverhead who is working with us to provide the first MUSE/BTC market in the world!

https://metaexchange.info/markets/MUSE/BTC

This is the real MUSE, not a token on the bitshares chain, as our competitors have chosen to run :)

Cheers, Paul.

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General Discussion / Re: Discussing the problems with bitUSD (smart coins)
« on: November 27, 2015, 11:29:48 am »
Even if you don't agree with my analysis for the cause of the premium, you must acknowledge that it was designed to trade at a premium. I think this is suboptimal.

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monsterer will make the ANNs as soon as he has time, if he can't i will do it on sunday. we wanted to let him do it, because his english is so much better :D

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1266571.0

:)

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Technical Support / Re: Api question (get_account_history)
« on: November 27, 2015, 10:25:19 am »
I will try and make this happen :)

Thanks in advance.  +5%  :)
Easy integration of BitShares ecosystem with C# applications can bring us additional value.

https://github.com/wildbunny/c-graphene-api

You're welcome :)

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General Discussion / Re: Discussing the problems with bitUSD (smart coins)
« on: November 26, 2015, 09:24:56 pm »
The point was to create a currency, not a trading instrument.  The currency use case requires fungible long positions.

But is it impossible to create a pegged currency that trades at parity which is also fungible?

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General Discussion / Re: Discussing the problems with bitUSD (smart coins)
« on: November 26, 2015, 10:39:15 am »
Where is the reward in your logic? If I buy bitUSD, I don't get any reward, if I borrow bitUSD, I may get a reward depending on market sentiments ..

If I buy bitUSD I get rewarded if the price of BTS goes down. If the price goes up, I have opportunity cost. If I borrow bitUSD and the price of BTS goes down, I can close at a profit. If the price goes up, I get margin called eventually, which is realised cost.

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In the end, you want to answer this question to your self:
Do you want to incentivize customers moving their funds into a stable system?
Do you want to incentivize merchants to use the system?
Or do you want to equally incentivize both parties?

Why would you want to chose a system which benefits any one participant. Such a system is a poorer design than one which is equal to all participants.

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Technical Support / Re: Api question (get_account_history)
« on: November 26, 2015, 09:34:26 am »
I will try and make this happen :)

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General Discussion / Re: Discussing the problems with bitUSD (smart coins)
« on: November 26, 2015, 09:32:04 am »
You believe because one side gets margin-called and has to actively maintain collateral that that creates a premium.  I don't believe that. 

With respect, you're wrong. I can prove it:

Lets call the risk of getting margin called Rm and the risk of a black swan Rb. Now, each of these risks has a probability associated with it (call them Pm and Pb)... Even if they are very difficult to quantify, we can say with certainty that Pm > Pb at all times.

Equilibrium price in the bitUSD market is the feed price. When I borrow bitUSD from the market I take on Rm. When I buy bitUSD from the market I take on Rb. If I borrow bitUSD and then sell it at the feed price, I'm saying Rm == Rb, which is obviously a false assumption. If we know that Pm>Pb at all times, then as a rational trader I must sell by borrowed bitUSD greater than the feed price, to make sure I satisfy Pm>Pb.

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