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General Discussion / posibilities and limits of incentives structures
« on: June 04, 2015, 06:19:11 pm »
hi, im new with bitcoin and crypto stuff . Some days ago i saw a conference in the internet about block chain consensus algorithms where the speaker was talking about creating systems that align the incentives of the individuals with the outcomes of the whole system . He gave a lot of examples of actions that can be incentivized , these actions were actions performed with a computer (actions that can be easily trackable).
But what about other kind of actions not performed with a computer?
do you think its posible to create a system that  incentive other type of actions? do you know proyects related with this?

I was thinking for example the idea of creating a crypto currency that incentive to take care of nature? Do you think something like this is possible?




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Capitalism is a cancer that is destroying the planet.
Thats because its based on infinite growth.
Growth means increasing productivity and increasing the use of natural resources and energies, it also increment the impacts of these processes in nature . These are in contradiction with the limited existence of natural resurces and the physical limits in our planet.
Capitalism is based on growth and thats why it cannot be sustainable ( in an ecological way).
Unsustainability means that its inevitable the collapse of capitalism. Or at least the structure of the actual world and the actual capitalist system is gonna change into something radically differente ( im not sure if calling this capitalism).
Our economic theory (liberal economics) decoupled energy and natural resources from the function of the economy and this mean all the economic theory and mechanisms are wrong and obsolete and we need to create a new economic system and theory.

I see theres a lot of people with interesting ideas trying to innovate with block chains technologies and crypto stuff.
But they are trying to integrate these technologies into the actual capitalist system.
I think the real potential is the opposite: Using these technologies for creating new kind of infrastructures that would allow communities and society to create a new  economic system parallel to capitalism that cannot be integrated to capitalism.
Using these technologies for building alternatives to capitalist system,  for example to create a new sustainable world.


what do you think?

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General Discussion / a short story about a paralitic guy
« on: April 28, 2014, 02:17:56 am »
Once ago there was a paralytic guy living in hospital.
This guy cannot move any part of his body neither his mouth, but  he was conscious.
This guy didnt like to live in this way so he wanted to die.
He talked with his family and his doctor and explained that he want to die.
The doctor explained that this was not very easy. 
He needed to make a  lot of burocratic tramits and then go to the judge, so he should analyze his case and give an approbation.
After 7 years of making the tramits and waiting for the answer , the judge didn't give him the permission for dying.
After this, the paralytic guy made a plan.
A plan that would allow a large group of people to help him to commit suicide.
The paralytic guy studied the laws and designed the plan in way that none of his helpers could be put in jail or sentenced .
The plan was that a large group of people would help him , each one would make a very little action.
Some of them didn't know what was the purpose of that action.
In this way the coordination a large group of people making each one a micro action helped the guy to kill himself.
At the end nobody get charged or put in jail and the paralitic guy died.
The plan worked perfect.


In which way do new technologies as blockchains or crypto stuff would allow collectivities to achieve new types of collective actions that cannot be tracked or even if they get  tracked that cannot be sentenced by laws ?




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General Discussion / crypto currency based on energy or computation
« on: April 28, 2014, 12:59:12 am »
HI ,  some time ago i been thinking about the possibility of using energy as currency.
Creating a new currency based on thermodynamic laws and the eMergy concept proposed by Odum.
Odum used to say that money in our system is not a good way of measuring the real wealth of something because our economic system doesnt take in consideration energy and the work done by nature.  So he created a new way of measuring the "real" wealth of things, based on energy laws and in the hierarchy of energy.

Hierarchy of energy means that you cannot compare 2 different types of energies using just calories.
2 calories of sun energy are not the same as 2 calories of fossil energy in their capacity to generate work. So in order to compare different types of energy ( and  everything !, not just energies ) you need this hierarchy of energy that allows to convert the calories  from one type of energy to another.
For example 1 cal of fossil fuel is equal to 2000 cal of sun energy.

With this new type of measurement you can define the real wealth of everything. Because everything in our universe uses energy.
The "real" wealth is very different from the "economic" wealth ( capitalism monetary wealth).

With a new currency that integrates this , it would be possible to integrate the currency to the dynamics of the planet and nature, it would be possible to create a new sustainable world at large scale.



What do you think about this idea?
Is it possible use these technologies like block chain that work not only in the digital domain but are also attached to real world processes  or things in the real world?

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EspaƱol (Spanish) / prueba de trabajo en bitcoin
« on: April 28, 2014, 12:24:59 am »
Buenas, soy nuevo en este foro y tambien son nuevo con bitcoin y las nuevas tecnologias basadas en cadenas de bloques.
He estado leyendo ultimamente sobre bitcoin pero hay algo que no entiendo:

Cual es el objetivo de usar la prueba de trabajo para conseguir consenso en bitcoin?
Porque es necesaria la prueba de trabajo para conseguir consenso? O cual es la idea de porque se implemento en bitcoin?









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Hi, I'm new with bitshares and i been reading the messages in these forum, i have this question:
Is bitshares music about creating artificial scarcity?

Many thinkers support the idea of what is called "abundance logic" of internet , this means, that things can be replicated without costs and this is consequence of the structure of the distributed net and its topography.

Urrutia says that many companies are trying to create artificial scarcity but this is negative for the "abundance logic" .
Instead  of going against the logic of abundance we should promote it . Create technological infraestructures that promote it.

What do you think about this?

Dont you think bitshares music and a lot of development in crypto/bitcoin stuff is about creating artificial scarcity and this is in escense something bad for the interests of humanity ( logic of abundance) ?








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General Discussion / descentralized forum based on blockchains?
« on: April 23, 2014, 12:00:34 am »
Hi, im new with bitcoin.
I was thinking about the posibilities of using block chains for creating forums withouth centralized power.

Do you know if there is something like this outthere?

The problem i always see with many forums is that a very short group of people called moderators have the power for deleting messages or banning people and this is something very limitating for freedom of speech.
Moderators are always gonna have political ideologies and are gonna limitate points of view that are against their ideology.

In some latinoamerican countries there are laws that can put you in jail if you defend specific ideologies.
So, moderators are gonna delete different points of view,  so they become expression of the centralized power  and its  interests.

How to avoid this? is it possible to have a forum withouth moderators but instead make that the moderators are all the community in the forum?

Which mechanisms can be developed in order make the decisions of the descentralized community to be  "smart" and  to make sure that freedom of speech are not gonna be limitated  but instead critical thinking are gonna be promoted  ????


what do you think?








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