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General Discussion / Re: Building apps on Bitshares
« on: August 24, 2015, 02:20:07 pm »
in bts 2.0 the issuer can fund the fee pool so that costumers don't need to pay the transaction fees .. unless the fee pool is emptied

So if I am a life member and I want to be charged 4 cents for sending gift tokens, will that be possible?

Or I will need to fund the fee pool, and each one will be charged 20 cents.

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General Discussion / Re: Building apps on Bitshares
« on: August 24, 2015, 02:18:23 pm »
in bts 2.0 the issuer can fund the fee pool so that costumers don't need to pay the transaction fees .. unless the fee pool is emptied

So if I am a life member and I want to be charged 4 cents for sending gift tokens, will that be possible?

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General Discussion / Re: Building apps on Bitshares
« on: August 24, 2015, 01:29:55 pm »
Other point is, what are the transaction fees in this situation.
Those would the the standard tx fees for the bitshares network as the tx happen on the bitshares blockchain.

It's ok I was thinking about the price of gift tokens vs the price of the transaction. So the gift should be more than 20 cents.

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General Discussion / Re: Test Net for Advanced Users
« on: August 24, 2015, 12:44:01 pm »
I have added a new section Tips on the wiki.

https://github.com/cryptonomex/graphene/wiki/How-to-setup-your-witness-for-test-net-(Ubuntu-14.04)

So if you have any tips, you can add them there if is not general setup. I have just added spartako's from the previous post.

Also I have put some credits to list everyone :)

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General Discussion / Re: Test Net for Advanced Users
« on: August 24, 2015, 12:33:25 pm »
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3508896ms th_a       application.cpp:265           startup              ] Detected unclean shutdown. Replaying blockchain...
It takes too much time to replay blockchain.. How to "cleanly" shutdown the witness node?

Question bump.

I use this strategy:
When I am synced, I shutdown with C-c (it should shutdown in a clean way) and I copy the blockchain folder as backup (if it shutdown without errors).
Everytime my blockchain is corrupted, I remove the blockchain folder and I copy with the backup one and restart the witness.
Finally I backup the blockchain folder every day.

Good idea !

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General Discussion / Re: Building apps on Bitshares
« on: August 24, 2015, 11:43:38 am »
Other point is, what are the transaction fees in this situation.

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General Discussion / Re: Test Net for Advanced Users
« on: August 24, 2015, 11:15:36 am »
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3508896ms th_a       application.cpp:265           startup              ] Detected unclean shutdown. Replaying blockchain...
It takes too much time to replay blockchain.. How to "cleanly" shutdown the witness node?

Question bump.

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General Discussion / Re: Please stop changing the rules of the game
« on: August 24, 2015, 11:13:31 am »
- I'm not sure there's any new BitShares toolkit? The toolkit BTS will be using is Graphene owned by CNX & if they want to sell it to start-ups or large companies I don't think BTS is guaranteed a piece of it?

I think that was originally one of the appeals of BitShares - that you would get a piece of lot of different DAC's. In a way Ethereum has picked up that mantle because they aim to make building Dapps easy and so as a holder of Ether you may get some value out of any Dapp that is built on it that ends up being successful even if 99/100 are duds.

So far, they seem to be "imposing"  the social consensus, but ideally it should be confirmed. A clear license would allow them to be marketed at higher levels, like Ethereum.

On your other Ethereum point, I totally agree with you, hence my other posts about a simple api / development for businesses / developers to built on top, together with the toolkit.  They can have the same model as Facebook / or other cloud provider, with a bigger incentive which are the referrals.

Regarding share dropping, BTS should benefit always. First they are the root (after the merger) for all the initial investors (AGS, PTS, BTSX, DNS, etc), we all can disagree on Follow my vote but we might get a surprise in one of the announcements.

Second if it does not happen, they will be root for evil FUD, (with reasoning) like Microsoft/
Third BTS (in general) avoids overall centralisation.


Brownie points should be make more clear, at least the how many are going to be distributed. The total supply, etc. This will avoid creating a market were people might end up upset.

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General Discussion / Re: Please stop changing the rules of the game
« on: August 24, 2015, 10:27:21 am »
Identabit is using Graphene for their chain. They owe BTS nothing. They made an arrangement with a group of private devs called CNX to do so. These devs also owe BTS nothing. CNX chose to give BTS Graphene. Identabit chose to sharedrop. They didn't have to. Just like CNX didn't have to give BTS Graphene. Perhaps we should try to accept this new paradigm. It's my opinion that we as a community sound like whiny children right now. We do not own these devs or other chains that choose to sharedrop.


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That's absolutely correct. The question investors are trying to answer though is what is BTS worth then?

I've previously described BTS as

Imagine if the founder of Microsoft left when it was still a struggling start-up, taking all the talent with him to form another company and then told Microsoft shareholders that they would now only receive a free windows license and if they wanted any further work done by Bill Gates or the talent that they would have to pay market rates. How much would Microsoft be worth in that scenario?

(Especially if Microsoft couldn't afford to pay market rates because it was still a struggling start-up and also paying off an expensive merger from just 9 months prior that it had largely engaged in to retain it's founder.)

If BTS has run out of money & the founder and talent of BTS have formed another company and will only work post BTS 2.0 for market rates. It seems like now BTS's main claim to fame is a free windows license (Graphene)

Nobody owes it/you/me anything it's just a question for serious investors of determining why they should put their hard earned money into BTS at this point.

For me the answer is that it's a punt that BitAssets 2.0, the good partnerships and the referral system are going to combine to rapidly gain traction and if they don't, it's curtains. So very speculative at this point.

Windows was not open sourced,  Bitshares is. I think the new licencing stops the likes of IBM, Oracle, Microsoft, or just an start up etc to come here, create a fork, deploy it internally and thanks everyone for giving me this free product. Bitshares can now longer live and developers can be sure that nobody will come up with a competing chain using the same code, hence removing their only way of living and passion.

They will make millions with this, excellent. Good for them.

Newcomers can get cheaper BTS than we did, well thanks for the Brownie points the active community will get some shares. I believe that is has been impossible to be active in the past few months before the 2.0 announcement as the ones in the know could not say anything, and the ones that did not know, there was not opportunity to help. (It makes me wonder why I was testing in DevShares for a while.)

They could not have told everyone that they were working on a better product, it will have been admitting failure on the first one (even if for me works..)

What I want to see is a new bitshares toolkit, with a licensing that is clear and you can pitch to the likes of IBM, Oracle, Microsoft, or just an start up.
For example 20% minimum to BTS, what is considered a competing chain and what is not. Examples of how to extend the toolkit etc. If it cannot be a new chain, but a valid addition to the chain by creating a hard fork, how you ensure revenue for the new company.


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General Discussion / Re: Test Net for Advanced Users
« on: August 23, 2015, 07:02:10 pm »
@betax: could you put your tutorial into the github wiki please? If not, may I do it for you?

It's here: https://github.com/cryptonomex/graphene/wiki/How-to-setup-your-witness-for-test-net-(Ubuntu-14.04)

Please feel free to correct anything.

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General Discussion / Re: Test Net for Advanced Users
« on: August 23, 2015, 07:01:24 pm »
14. Restart with parameters to start block producing (block producing needs your witness id and private keys) Current node abit's for test 1
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./witness_node --rpc-endpoint "127.0.0.1:8090"  --genesis-json aug-14-test-genesis.json -d test_net_1 -s 114.92.254.159:62015  --witness-id '"1.6.5156"' --private-key '["GPH6JhL..your.signing.key..bc5mWyCvERV3coy","5K..your.secret..a"]'15. See your witness producing blocks and
you can Ctrl A Ctrl D to detach from screen.
Thanks for sharing, but don't use my node(at least not only use my node), it breaks now and then.
And the genesis file in step 14 should be aug-20-test-genesis.json.

Here is a list of nodes I'm using (still breaks sometimes):
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./witness_node --rpc-endpoint "127.0.0.1:8090"  --genesis-json  aug-20-test-genesis.json -d test_net_1 -s "104.236.51.238:1776" -s "176.221.43.130:33323" -s "45.55.6.216:1776" -s "114.92.254.159:62015"

Thanks ill add more nodes and correct it now..

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General Discussion / Re: Test Net for Advanced Users
« on: August 23, 2015, 08:01:04 am »
Full Instructions for Test 1, maybe the op can change.. or we can start a new thread changing the nodes / chain id so is easier for everyone to start / get started again.

It is a summary of everyone findings in this thread, so credit to everyone.  (@puppies, @abit, @clayop, @maqifrnswa, @lafona, @IHashfury, @Riverhead, @testz,  @cryptosile, @Thom) plus of course @xeroc original tutorials, and help here.

I have published this now on the Wiki: https://github.com/cryptonomex/graphene/wiki/How-to-setup-your-witness-for-test-net-(Ubuntu-14.04)

Installation of dependencies
Extracted from xerocs instructions here: https://github.com/cryptonomex/graphene/wiki/build-ubuntu
If you already have done your installation move to next step.

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sudo apt-get updateInstall gcc-49 etc
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sudo apt-get install gcc-4.9 g++-4.9 cmake make libbz2-dev libdb++-dev libdb-dev libssl-dev openssl libreadline-dev autoconf libtool gitIf you cannot install gcc-4.9, you will need to add this repository before hand and try again.
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sudo add-apt-repository ppa:ubuntu-toolchain-r/test
Installation of BOOST
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BOOST_ROOT=$HOME/opt/boost_1_57_0
sudo apt-get update
sudo apt-get install autotools-dev build-essential g++ libbz2-dev libicu-dev python-dev
wget -c 'http://sourceforge.net/projects/boost/files/boost/1.57.0/boost_1_57_0.tar.bz2/download' -O boost_1_57_0.tar.bz2
[ $( sha256sum boost_1_57_0.tar.bz2 | cut -d ' ' -f 1 ) == "910c8c022a33ccec7f088bd65d4f14b466588dda94ba2124e78b8c57db264967" ] || ( echo 'Corrupt download' ; exit 1 )
tar xjf boost_1_57_0.tar.bz2
cd boost_1_57_0/
./bootstrap.sh "--prefix=$BOOST_ROOT"
./b2 install

Git  checkout and build
Ensure your boost path is correct
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BOOST_ROOT=$HOME/opt/boost_1_57_0Check out and build
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cd ~
git clone https://github.com/cryptonomex/graphene.git
cd graphene

Check out test 1 (specific to this chain)
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git checkout test1
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git submodule update --init --recursive
cmake -DBOOST_ROOT="$BOOST_ROOT" -DCMAKE_BUILD_TYPE=Debug .
make

Setup witness / import balances

2. Go to the witness directory:
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cd ~/graphene/programs/witness_node
3. Download genesis Path specific for Test 1
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wget https://github.com/cryptonomex/graphene/releases/download/test1/aug-20-test-genesis.json
4.Start a new terminal screen
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screen5. Run the witness  Current nodes for test 1 (replace for other tests) 
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./witness_node --rpc-endpoint "127.0.0.1:8090"  --genesis-json aug-20-test-genesis.json -d test_net_1 -s "104.236.51.238:1776" -s "176.221.43.130:33323" -s "45.55.6.216:1776" -s "114.92.254.159:62015"
Note:
-d parameter is for the directory you want the witness data to be stored
-s is the node you want to connect

If you have problems, you might need to put the whole path for the genesis
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./witness_node --rpc-endpoint "127.0.0.1:8090"  --genesis-json ~/graphene/programs/witness-node/aug-20-test-genesis.json -d test_net_1 -s "104.236.51.238:1776" -s "176.221.43.130:33323" -s "45.55.6.216:1776" -s "114.92.254.159:62015"

6. Detach from screen
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Ctrl A Ctrl D7. Extract your wif keys for user and balances as per xeroc's instructions https://github.com/cryptonomex/graphene/wiki/Howto-become-an-active-witness-in-BitShares-2.0
8. Navigate to cli_wallet
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cd ~/graphene/programs/cli_wallet9. Run cli Current chain id for test 1
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./cli_wallet -w test_wallet_puppies  --chain-id d011922587473757011118587f93afcc314fbaea094fc1055574721b27975083Note:
-w is your directory wallet
10. Setup witness as per xerocs instructions https://github.com/cryptonomex/graphene/wiki/Howto-become-an-active-witness-in-BitShares-2.0
Remember to copy your keys, witness id
Note you need to wait for a maintenance period to be voted in
11. Exit
12. Go back to your witness terminal
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screen -r 13. Exit your witness ctrl c
14. Restart with parameters to start block producing (block producing needs your witness id and private keys) Current nodes for test 1 (replace for other tests)
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./witness_node --rpc-endpoint "127.0.0.1:8090"  --genesis-json aug-20-test-genesis.json -d test_net_1 -s "104.236.51.238:1776" -s "176.221.43.130:33323" -s "45.55.6.216:1776" -s "114.92.254.159:62015"  --witness-id '"1.6.5156"' --private-key '["GPH6JhL..your.signing.key..bc5mWyCvERV3coy","5K..your.secret..a"]'15. See your witness producing blocks and
you can Ctrl A Ctrl D to detach from screen.


Edit: As per abit's comments adding other nodes, correcting genesis in last step.

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General Discussion / Re: Test Net for Advanced Users
« on: August 21, 2015, 05:22:04 pm »
puppies I have just "flood" you some 1 CORE transactions.

On my second round I sent 8,421.  :o :o :o :o at 1  core interval. This was done brute forced Hyper Olympics style https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8va4YGGA3wE, so I am not convinced I did submit as many in 1 minute.

Anyway my witness has not died, can you check you got something?

How did you do this? Can you send me some to delegate-clayop?

Physically is impossible, hence my question. I am down at the moment.. ill try tomorrow.

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General Discussion / Re: Test Net for Advanced Users
« on: August 21, 2015, 05:15:29 pm »
puppies I have just "flood" you some 1 CORE transactions.

On my second round I sent 8,421.  :o :o :o :o at 1  core interval. This was done brute forced Hyper Olympics style https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8va4YGGA3wE, so I am not convinced I did submit as many in 1 minute.

Anyway my witness has not died, can you check you got something?
sorry betax I'm at work and don't have puppies keys on any vps

Don't worry!

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General Discussion / Re: Test GUI for Normal Users!
« on: August 21, 2015, 03:20:53 pm »
On galaxy tab II / Chrome it's stuck at block #19170, it doesn't move forward.

I tried to refresh the page ;)

Same  >:( haha. I was finally able to create an account and import keys and balances which is nice.

Chrome the same, but excellent work on the UI :)

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