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见证人无声的对抗已经很明白了,还钱是不可能的,爆仓是不可能的。就这么个无赖系统还在搞悬赏上币,把bitCNY卖出去又能坑人一把,最后BTS社区背黑锅。

现在的喂价真是服气,btc拉盘跟着拉,btc砸盘不动,造成爆仓成交不了就不说了,还搞的一堆人贴线抵押提现,爆仓不断增加,现在1bitcny可以抵押出0.7bitcny…贴线提现能把系统玩残,反正挂着不会成交…

无限下跌暴仓对谁都没有好处,对抄底的,对持BTS的都没有好处,对BTS的发展更是打击。就算是对持有BITCNY的人也是没有好处,BTS不停跌,造成用户量越来越少,BITCNY给谁用?什么事情都是越死就越快死的,越差就 越没人气的,要想BITCNY能发扬光大,就必须搞好BTS。整个市场都是,随处可见,涨的始终是越来越涨,人气越来越多,跌的都是越跌越死,像什么GRAM CDC ACT啊什么的一路跌一路死,最后再也起不来了,归零了。
别动不动就代表别人了,只是部分人输不起在绑架系统,正是这种无赖无信用行为导致用户越来越少。
即使这次能反弹回去,BTS信用也已经被糟蹋完了,想发展是做梦,bitCNY锚定基础已经没有了,比草纸糊的假币都不如,以后推广bitCNY都是货真价实的骗子行为了。

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见证人无声的对抗已经很明白了,还钱是不可能的,爆仓是不可能的。就这么个无赖系统还在搞悬赏上币,把bitCNY卖出去又能坑人一把,最后BTS社区背黑锅。

现在的喂价真是服气,btc拉盘跟着拉,btc砸盘不动,造成爆仓成交不了就不说了,还搞的一堆人贴线抵押提现,爆仓不断增加,现在1bitcny可以抵押出0.7bitcny…贴线提现能把系统玩残,反正挂着不会成交…

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why not a committee? I would be glad to support you as a committee too.

@matle85

I know exectly how things works.I'm a business owner for nearly 22 years now and i doubt any of these will succeed.
But to take that argument from people away
i will create a worker proposal for marketing
i will start as a proxy
and i will get a witness (so i can understand and play more with the script,not expecting to get voted in)


BTW the only decent exchange which has already bitshares and could list bitusd is HitBTC .However the volume of BTS there is very low.Past 24h $92 .
RightBTC had a volume of 0

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the feed price for CNY is higher than 16% now, no margin call order will be eatern.
so what's the plan if the price keep drop?
or just sleep like a blind sheep continue?

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in fact, to me the only problem for Bitshare is BSIP42, all I want to do is abondon the manipulate and give the correct feed price back.
other issues like the open market operation , bounty to be listed by a nobody exchange  are bad too, sure I will be glad to see these be canceled, but I don't care if these continued.

Bitshare is good enough, just wait the business development. all problems you thought it had are just for some special share holders, not for the system.

Worker for what ?

A worker for any of the things you guys are complaining about constantly - marketing for example. Everyone knows we need something but Xeroc is the only one I've seen source/share a proposal. Contact some companies or draft a scope.

You can also put yourselves forward as an alternative proxy / witness.

Or just keep complaining / sh*tting on everything without contributing anything productive - it's easy to do that from the sidelines.

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48 hours past, still no action.
we should remeber those person who still vote for support BSIP42

according to bsip42, bitCNY is now very cheap than CNY. (price in DEX is 0.363CNY/BTS much higer than CEX which is 0.353)
you should decrease the feed price, why no action at all?
you know nothing about trade, and you even known nothing about bsip42, just stupid like an idiot.

bitCNY now has a less than 1% discount.

if there's no BSIP42, what happened in last 2 days will make bitCNY a more than 5% premium. we have experienced that in the past.

you can argue, but please stop shouting like a crazy dog.


You are aware that the possibility the price keeps moving down is bigger than it will go up from here?
With your stupid BSIP42 the few buy support people added to avoid a global settlement will be eaten from other trader leaving their collateral before a global settlement instead of the margins itself to lower the global settlement price on bitcny.

Right now you are just watching and doing nothing else than praying which is no solution at all.
Your OMO funds are being margin called already.You activly lost millions of BTS from the comitee accounts and i bet spring fund is also not doing well expecially on a global settlement event.
When the price dropped from 0.62 to 0.44 bitcny the CR was in tact.
You have been warned mutiple times also from me that once there will be a bigger down trend you will cause an unatural big  margin wall which will lead to a global settlement because people will stop eating margins and will close their own margin.
If you look closely you can see a big group of investors myself included who sold all their margin and not being activ because of BSIP42.
Would these people still have trust and the margin sold as it should be there wouldn't such a big margin wall exist which would make that other investors would instantly take their part instead of waiting because the margin wall seems unbreakable currently.

You said to me i'm yelling like a crazy dog.It was me predicting that the OMO fund will be margin called where you said its impossible.
It was me who said you will create a hughe margin wall in a bigger downtrend which will lead to a quick global settlement which you denied claiming there is enough liquidity for it.
And still you call other people crazy dog.
Your BSIP42 is a total failure causing only high risk of a global settlement in a downtrend with the possibility to lose all savings from a lot of people who didn't give you the authority to play with their investment like monopoly money.Its shocking to me how you treat other peoples savings for which majority had to work hard.
Even some bitshares admins lost faith in bitshares because of bsip42 and closed instantly all their margins.I think this says everything.
A network which has no trust of its community will never succeed

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agree.
The offer's are a joke.
Give me any exchange and i will get it in next 7 days to top 50 on CMC and will take the easy bounty for it.
Instead of looking into the Top 50 CMC which majority is faked one you should create a list of serious exchanges we target.
However i can predict none of the serious exchanges will currently list any bitasset expecially being now riksed getting a global settlement.
Thats another effect of BSIP42 that reputated exchanges won't touch it as the amount of risk of losing own trust and reputation is way to high than the benefit of listing bitassets.
Thats simple business logic.
Instant of using these 9 million BTS for noname and novolume exchanges use it for marketing to get bitshares popular and the demand for bitassets will come itself instead of trying to add an undemanded asset with high risk on low reputation exchanges

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sorry if you not feel good.
but you have already screwed up.

according to bsip42, bitCNY is now very cheap than CNY. (price in DEX is 0.363CNY/BTS much higer than CEX which is 0.353)
you should decrease the feed price, why no action at all?
you know nothing about trade, and you even known nothing about bsip42, just stupid like an idiot.

bitCNY now has a less than 1% discount.

if there's no BSIP42, what happened in last 2 days will make bitCNY a more than 5% premium. we have experienced that in the past.

you can argue, but please stop shouting like a crazy dog.

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you still have my support because at least you know it can't work and you didn't act like other blind sheep.
I will withdraw my vote if you work out a unreasonable feed price.

Seeing as I'm not one to hide, I would like to point out that mine and Thom's reasons for not feeding BSIP42 prices on USD and CNY are entirely different.

I don't have much of an issue with BSIP42 in principle. In fact I think it's a good idea in order to tighten the peg.

I only stopped feeding USD and CNY because I thought the BSIP42 adjusted feed I was running needed more work and I hadn't been able to figure it out yet.

The reason I am upset with others is because the majority of the feed scripts disregard the market completely and thus on a sudden bear move ( like we had last couple of days) are slow to respond, leading to a) margins piling up and b) losing the peg anyways.

That said, unlike Thom, I am not against the premise of BSIP42

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Glad to hear that.
I have only support one witness is you after the bsip42, now I can add clockwork.
those blind witness should be kick out.
and those blind proxy like xeroc shouldn't get support too,
I have no idea why did so many share holders give the vote power to a stupid blind person like him?
good thing is I have saw that @stan have already cancel his support to xeroc.

You should notice Alt that I (verbaltech2) and Alex (clockwork) aren't feeding either BitCNY or BitUSD.

Alex has been almost as angry as you lately about the bsip42 manipulation. I have been very vocal from the start about what I don't like about it.

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according to bsip42, bitCNY is now very cheap than CNY. (price in DEX is 0.363CNY/BTS much higer than CEX which is 0.353)
you should decrease the feed price, why no action at all?
you know nothing about trade, and you even known nothing about bsip42, just stupid like an idiot.

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The plan is just to watch and do nothing.

According to Xeroc :

"Guys, your understanding of a black swan is way off implementation"
"Before a global settlement, a short position has debt and collateral supporting the debt. During global settlement, you lose just enough of your collateral to support your debt and you lose the debt. Ever BTS in collateral that comes additional to the 100% will be give back to you.
The debt and supporting collateral will be migrated to the the issuer account.
With BSIP18, the global settlement fund in the issuer account can autonatically revive the asset in case the price feed goes back up so that the available collateral reaches MCR
Also, users can bid on the collateral and debt and thus obtain back their own position by providing the excess collateral.
In the meantime, long positions (those with bitusd, bitcny) are unaffected and trading goeabon as usual.
Borrowing and margin calls are disabled until the asset is revived"

I asked him 1-2 months back if he is going to take full responsability for keeping the BSIP42 activ which will lead to a global settlement since he was and still is the key proxy who could instantly close BSIP42.
A clear lack of real trader experience unable to foresight markets and effects of major changes
fuck xeroc, the most stupid proxy ever.

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are you still think you need to improve the stupid bsip42(market manipulation)?
come out to say what's your plan
and those voters/proxy who support bsip42, please come out to explain us what happend.

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General Discussion / Re: Delegates Please Publish Feeds More Often
« on: January 16, 2018, 10:33:05 pm »
I saw there are 11.3 M USD margin call, but the feed price almost 10% higher than other exhchange. and change very slow.
if the witness still behave like this, the USD will be blackswan more easy.

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if  REAL_PRICE < MEDIAN and YOUR_PRICE > MEDIAN publish price

When attempting to write a market maker the slow movement of the feed can be difficult.

I would recommend the following:

if  REAL_PRICE < MEDIAN and YOUR_PRICE > MEDIAN publish price
if  REAL_PRICE > MEDIAN  and  abs( YOUR_PRICE - REAL_PRICE ) / REAL_PRICE  > 0.005 publish price

The goal is to force the price down rapidly and allow it to creep up slowly.

By publishing prices more often it helps market makers maintain the peg and minimizes opportunity for shorts to sell USD below the peg that the market makers then have to absorb. 

If we can get updates flowing smoothly then we can gradually reduce the spread in the market maker bots. 

*note: all prices in USD per BTSX

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Meta / Re: do you have modify the trade logic in this fork?
« on: December 26, 2017, 09:56:53 pm »
Yes, I got it.
the Blockchain never told me it coudn't sent 100 CNY to others when I want to transfer 10 CNY.
the Blockchain never told me it coudn't sent 100 USD to others when I want to transfer 10 CNY.
the Blockchain never told me it coudn't sent to account B when I want to transfer to account A.
the Blockchain never told me it coudn't sell at price 1.0 when I want to sell at price 10.0
the Blockchain never told me nobody can control my account without my key.
the Blockchain is just a joke.

so that's your point?
I think this Blockchain is far away to be a financial tools.
it's just a joke game.
all people told oethers how security DEX is are cheaters. you should never do it again.

nobody ever told me about these rule.

Who told you that the margin call would be filled at the lower price? I guess nobody did. It's just an assumption on your side.

I admit that it's a *reasonable* assumption, and that this is how it *should* work. But the fact that it doesn't is not a bug. It's just the way it has been implemented, and AFAIK it does not violate the specification.

It's not the only point where the market engine does not behave how people assume it does, see the case brought up by @alexpmorris a couple of months ago. The market engine needs an overhaul, but that is something that takes care, and planning, and detailed specifications, and lots of discussion. You don't do someting like this overnight.

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