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Main => General Discussion => Topic started by: Chronos on December 21, 2016, 11:08:29 pm
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It's time for an update on Chronos Crypto Videos. Over the past year. the worker (https://bitsharestalk.org/index.php/topic,23291.0.html) has published about three videos per month while active, in line with production goals. We now have the following videos available:
Tech Lectures:
- Intro to Bitshares (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eSgsbBTxNfo), where we take a brief overview of some of the key features that make Bitshares stand out from other blockchain technologies.
- Bitshares Security: Delegated Proof of Stake (https://youtu.be/mqwD1u5s_XE), where we compare Bitcoin's security model with some of the key features that set Bitshares apart as a next-generation crypto.
- Bitshares Inflation Rate (https://youtu.be/ohx46JlRzjc), where we study the factors that cause the total supply of BTS to increase or decrease over time.
Walkthroughs:
- Creating and Securing a Bitshares Wallet (https://youtu.be/b2_C1I7eKM8), where we walk through how to get started with the Bitshares web wallet for the first time.
- Buying Bitshares the Easy Way (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Cynr6zDTCBI), where we quickly demonstrate one of the easiest way to buy Bitshares: using a bridge inside the online wallet.
- Sending Money with Bitshares (https://youtu.be/-QBR2Ae4Ddc), where we demonstrate how to send tokens from one account to another on the Bitshares network.
- The Bitshares Decentralized Exchange (https://youtu.be/gWxTLesvJhI), where we take a tour of the Bitshares Decentralized Exchange, or DEX.
- Bitshares User-Issued Assets Walkthrough (https://youtu.be/_-z4RnM0kgs), where we demonstrate the steps to create your own customizable tokens on the network.
News and Announcements:
- Bitshares Merger Vesting Ends (https://youtu.be/0zLPQUM2sjo), where we celebrate the end of the Bitshares merger vesting dilution, and analyze the network growth over the past year.
Check out all the videos on the Bitshares Playlist (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eSgsbBTxNfo&list=PL4QVf9YbYcnjmeDEiyyrhMLwGBa5K23tN).
Below are some of the comments and feedback we've received on the YouTube channel:
- "Stunning cryptocurrency design, nicely conveyed." - Harry Evelegh
- "Excellent presentation----look forward to seeing all your work as it progresses!!! ¥€S" - Alexander Vago
- "Good work!" - Marek Chmielewski
- "nice video. Thanks for the info." - HowzatDCC
- "Very good Chronos. I'll tweet this one out." - Patrick Konshak
- "Great video - very well explained. Useful tool I wasn't aware off." - Andy Mckey
- "Really interesting. Thanks for the video" - Ian Watt
- "I like it, easy to follow." - Louis Castro
- "Useful video, thanks!" - CLains
- "Awesome. I wish I had this video when I create my UIA's." - Patrick Konshak
- "Good video." - Ken Code
- "Thanks for the walk through! These are very good tutorials." - Paul Zozem
- "I appreciate your BitShares videos just as I appreciated your earlier Peercoin videos. I've since moved on to Bitcoin and Ethereum, but am curious about BitShares." - Derek Mahar
The worker fell out of the approved workers slate this week, and is no longer funded. We need the voting support of about 65M more BTS in order to continue video production. I'd like to open this discussion up to find out how the community would like to move forward with the worker.
I think this is a good time to take an assessment on how things are going. What have you liked so far? What would you prefer to be done differently? What do you want to see in the future?
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how many referral sign-ups did you make via your videos?
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how many referral sign-ups did you make via your videos?
Four referrals so far, linked on the blockchain. We can't detect referrals that didn't use the suggested referral link, so there are likely more.
See http://cryptofresh.com/u/chronos-youtube for the details (remember to exclude my test referrals).
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how many referral sign-ups did you make via your videos?
Four referrals so far, linked on the blockchain. We can't detect referrals that didn't use the suggested referral link, so there are likely more.
See http://cryptofresh.com/u/chronos-youtube for the details (remember to exclude my test referrals).
If i'm reading correctly, that's four referrals.
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how many referral sign-ups did you make via your videos?
Four referrals so far, linked on the blockchain. We can't detect referrals that didn't use the suggested referral link, so there are likely more.
See http://cryptofresh.com/u/chronos-youtube for the details (remember to exclude my test referrals).
so from a raw number perspective...
you received 1.600.000 BTS which equals in 400.000 BTS per referral (current rate) which would mean we paid $1700 per sign-up at this point, ignoring potential future sign-ups.
anything above 230BTS per sign-up is really bad from my experience.
this is the reason we got the referral program - content creators should earn money through it in my opinion.
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You understand correctly, but fortunately this isn't a referrals worker -- in the same amount of time, svk got 0 referrals for his web wallet work, as did Roadscape on his block explorer worker, if I read the blockchain correctly. They weren't paid for referrals, either, but for the work they produced.
A better way to look at it is that we have 9 helpful and educational videos so far, which can be used as a training tool for years into the future.
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You understand correctly, but fortunately this isn't a referrals worker -- in the same amount of time, svk got 0 referrals for his web wallet work, as did Roadscape on his block explorer worker, if I read the blockchain correctly. They weren't paid for referrals, either, but for the work they produced.
A better way to look at it is that we have 9 helpful and educational videos so far, which can be used as a training tool for years into the future.
Exactly Chronos. Fav, you have been a major proponent of the referral program since day 1, and one of the top referral earners. However, I'm not sure what the point of your comments below were. It almost sounds like you don't believe Chronos' work provides adequate value. If you are using referrals as the metric for that evaluation I could understand, but as Chronos said that wasn't the metric the worker proposal targeted.
Frankly I'm not sure why BitShares remains the old dog of digital currency projects, it's quite baffling. I see a similar trend for steemit.
I just added a feed for the Bit20 index fund last night, which appears to have killed my feeds altogether (will be looking into this ASAP), so perhaps if other witnesses add support for bit20 it might contribute to more adoption. I don't expect it will be a major factor, but every bit helps.
As strongly as I believe in the same core principles that Bytemaster does (privacy, Non-Aggression-Principle, freedom from coercive government etc), I wonder if his reputation for not following through on things is hurting the platforms he creates. I'm not going to name names but I've heard it from more than a handful of people how he has failed to pay them as agreed. They are people you probably know, people inside and outside of BitShares and Steem. That's NOT GOOD!
Something is surely wrong, and BitShares is loosing ground against the rapid pace of development going on in the crypto space. We have a giant lead with graphene tech, and we need to find a way to market it effectively and move forward so we don't loose that first mover advantage. Marketing has always been the primary problem.
I also think we need to do much better in making the tech accessible to more developers. The structure of the API makes it difficult to learn. Shit the cli wallet commands are atrocious in their consistency and lack of organization. The learning curve for the graphene API is very steep and I'm certain that has hindered adoption. It needs to be simplified.
OK, I've ranted long enough, time to resolve the problem with my feeds.
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I do think the cost of the videos is a bit steep. But let's have a real conversation about the cost vs. the value. To look at the number of referrals is utterly absurd and unhelpful. It's obvious that people finding Bitshares on their own would find these videos useful. In fact, it is imperative to have tutorials if we want to encourage people to take the platform seriously. That's what I thought the whole point was. Having said that, maybe Chronos can offer a little more for a little less.
P.S. I would really like to see the DPoS error (distributed vs. delegated) fixed, at least in the on-screen graphic. I'm sure that can be done with some editing alone (i.e. no need to re-record).
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But let's have a real conversation about the cost vs. the value.
Ok, let's look at number of views for each video. What cost per viewer is adequate?
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P.S. I would really like to see the DPoS error (distributed vs. delegated) fixed, at least in the on-screen graphic. I'm sure that can be done with some editing alone (i.e. no need to re-record).
Unfortunately, we can't upload a new video without losing the 1000+ views, along with the 50 likes and 11 comments, on that video. However, I was able to find a way to use YouTube Annotations to update the text. It's not perfect, but it's pretty clean considering the constraints. Check it out! https://youtu.be/eSgsbBTxNfo?t=22s
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But let's have a real conversation about the cost vs. the value.
Ok, let's look at number of views for each video. What cost per viewer is adequate?
If you're going to judge by cost per view, you have to do it over time, not right at the beginning. But more than anything, it's just plain common sense to understand that it's helpful to have tutorials, especially video tutorials. Of course, the videos should be nicely done, with the subject matter articulated in an easy to understand manner, which I think Chronos has done.
In any event, I think the new bitshares.org site should have a page that lists these tutorial videos (similar to Tableau, linked below). When people see such resources, they are much more likely to dive in...and more likely to stick with it. How do you measure that?
http://www.tableau.com/learn/training
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As a relative noob to Bitshares, I must say the videos produce by Chronos so far have been EXCELLENT! But the basics have been covered, and now should be placed in a prominent place for a good intro to Bitshares.
That said, I think it would be worthwhile for voters to know what content future videos will contain.
Two that I'd like to see:
* Short selling MPA tutorial
* Automated trading with btsbots
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P.S. I would really like to see the DPoS error (distributed vs. delegated) fixed, at least in the on-screen graphic. I'm sure that can be done with some editing alone (i.e. no need to re-record).
Unfortunately, we can't upload a new video without losing the 1000+ views, along with the 50 likes and 11 comments, on that video. However, I was able to find a way to use YouTube Annotations to update the text. It's not perfect, but it's pretty clean considering the constraints. Check it out! https://youtu.be/eSgsbBTxNfo?t=22s
Ah, ok, I wasn't thinking about that. Anyway, you can barely notice the annotation even if you're looking for it. I think it might also make sense to pop up an annotation for a few seconds correcting what you verbalized so people who notice the inconsistency will know which is correct. What do you think?
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If you're going to judge by cost per view, you have to do it over time, not right at the beginning.
Yes, sure. Every video on youtube has growth of popularity phase which levels out after some time. Chronos videos is not exception.
But more than anything, it's just plain common sense to understand that it's helpful to have tutorials, especially video tutorials.
Of course it is nice to have video tutorials. The question is how much is it ok to pay for these tutorials? If you pay thousands of $$ for videos which are viewed few hundred times, it does not look like a very efficient way to educate the public. I am not against video tutorials, what I am saying is that their effect could be and should be evaluated qualitatively and some conclusions about their efficiency can be made based on this. IMO, a straightforward way to evaluate effect of video tutorials is to look at number of views per $$ spent. If this number is low and does not grow with time, there is no point to invest into this project until it is optimized.
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Cross-posting some comments from the Steemit post. Fractalnode wrote:
I feel like we need more info (video) about :
- Short Selling BitAssets
- maintenance collateral ratio
- maximum short squeeze ratio
- short squeeze protection
- call price
- MARGIN CALL MECHANICS (this is the most important!)
- Create Asset
- all PERMISSIONS & FLAGS
- differences between SMARTCOINS, USER ISSUED ASSETS, PREDICTION MARKET ASSETS
- Vesting balances
- PREDICTION MARKET (the proper way... Amanda's video it's not good enough)
Another commenter, Vato, wrote:
How about a video about the worker system.
Explain how you make real money out of it and how others could do the same.
It is a great system and there could be so much more active workers doing great things for BitShares.
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P.S. I would really like to see the DPoS error (distributed vs. delegated) fixed, at least in the on-screen graphic. I'm sure that can be done with some editing alone (i.e. no need to re-record).
Unfortunately, we can't upload a new video without losing the 1000+ views, along with the 50 likes and 11 comments, on that video. However, I was able to find a way to use YouTube Annotations to update the text. It's not perfect, but it's pretty clean considering the constraints. Check it out! https://youtu.be/eSgsbBTxNfo?t=22s
Ah, ok, I wasn't thinking about that. Anyway, you can barely notice the annotation even if you're looking for it. I think it might also make sense to pop up an annotation for a few seconds correcting what you verbalized so people who notice the inconsistency will know which is correct. What do you think?
Great idea. I'll get that extra annotation added later today when I get the chance. Thanks!
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I do think the cost of the videos is a bit steep. But let's have a real conversation about the cost vs. the value.
that's why I said raw numbers. but how would you measure cost vs value? In numbers, not guesswork or feelings?
Video views? Channel growth? Let's see
(http://i.imgur.com/4Cp6vFy.png)
Source: http://socialblade.com/youtube/channel/UCwFnHtczGkpm4k1cQU5vj1w/videos
Total BitShares Video Views: 1600000/2758 = 580 BTS ~ $2.40 per view
Also, channel growth is impossible to measure from outside, since it's not an exclusive bitshares account. One could argue that we even help finance and market other coins/projects on that channel and help it grow.
I still think the referral program will kick in and get marketers working on stuff if BitShares finds some success. It does not work the other way in my opinion
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P.S. I would really like to see the DPoS error (distributed vs. delegated) fixed, at least in the on-screen graphic. I'm sure that can be done with some editing alone (i.e. no need to re-record).
Unfortunately, we can't upload a new video without losing the 1000+ views, along with the 50 likes and 11 comments, on that video. However, I was able to find a way to use YouTube Annotations to update the text. It's not perfect, but it's pretty clean considering the constraints. Check it out! https://youtu.be/eSgsbBTxNfo?t=22s
Ah, ok, I wasn't thinking about that. Anyway, you can barely notice the annotation even if you're looking for it. I think it might also make sense to pop up an annotation for a few seconds correcting what you verbalized so people who notice the inconsistency will know which is correct. What do you think?
Great idea. I'll get that extra annotation added later today when I get the chance. Thanks!
The extra blurb with the correction is now added. I think this is a big improvement. Good ideas, @tbone! https://youtu.be/eSgsbBTxNfo.
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Cross-posting some comments from the Steemit post. Fractalnode wrote:
I feel like we need more info (video) about :
- Short Selling BitAssets
- maintenance collateral ratio
- maximum short squeeze ratio
- short squeeze protection
- call price
- MARGIN CALL MECHANICS (this is the most important!)
- Create Asset
- all PERMISSIONS & FLAGS
- differences between SMARTCOINS, USER ISSUED ASSETS, PREDICTION MARKET ASSETS
- Vesting balances
- PREDICTION MARKET (the proper way... Amanda's video it's not good enough)
Another commenter, Vato, wrote:
How about a video about the worker system.
Explain how you make real money out of it and how others could do the same.
It is a great system and there could be so much more active workers doing great things for BitShares.
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How about a video about the worker system.
Explain how you make real money out of it and how others could do the same.
It is a great system and there could be so much more active workers doing great things for BitShares.
Oh , after this video, no one will take money out to buy BTS anymore as they know they can make videos/websites/photos/blog-posts for it .
In fact , I'm thinking about it : Why would I take out my hard earned money to buy 1000USD worth of BTS per month and take financial risks when I could just produce something with the knowledge that I already processed ? I'm sure every potential buyer of BTS has some knowledge or skill to offer to the Blockchain.
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But let's have a real conversation about the cost vs. the value.
Ok, let's look at number of views for each video. What cost per viewer is adequate?
If you're going to judge by cost per view, you have to do it over time, not right at the beginning. But more than anything, it's just plain common sense to understand that it's helpful to have tutorials, especially video tutorials. Of course, the videos should be nicely done, with the subject matter articulated in an easy to understand manner, which I think Chronos has done.
In any event, I think the new bitshares.org site should have a page that lists these tutorial videos (similar to Tableau, linked below). When people see such resources, they are much more likely to dive in...and more likely to stick with it. How do you measure that?
http://www.tableau.com/learn/training
I agree very much with bold text, I for myself struggled with content explanation, just to find it with my own research, dont get this stuff, to be honest, OL should promote with obvious explanation as much as possible, , somebody like me, do not have the knowledge as do insider, that is a commune problem, insider tend to think everybody is like them...WRONG..like Trump use to say :) still not insider might come along, if the entire platform would be explained to them just my opinion
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How about a video about the worker system.
Explain how you make real money out of it and how others could do the same.
It is a great system and there could be so much more active workers doing great things for BitShares.
How about a video about the worker system.
Explain how you make real money out of it and how others could do the same.
It is a great system and there could be so much more active workers doing great things for BitShares.
Oh , after this video, no one will take money out to buy BTS anymore as they know they can make videos/websites/photos/blog-posts for it .
In fact , I'm thinking about it : Why would I take out my hard earned money to buy 1000USD worth of BTS per month and take financial risks when I could just produce something with the knowledge that I already processed ? I'm sure every potential buyer of BTS has some knowledge or skill to offer to the Blockchain.
Since you are not interested in a serious conversation I like to express my feelings this way:
(https://i.imgsafe.org/d600f929ca.jpg)[/list]
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How about a video about the worker system.
Explain how you make real money out of it and how others could do the same.
It is a great system and there could be so much more active workers doing great things for BitShares.
Oh , after this video, no one will take money out to buy BTS anymore as they know they can make videos/websites/photos/blog-posts for it .
In fact , I'm thinking about it : Why would I take out my hard earned money to buy 1000USD worth of BTS per month and take financial risks when I could just produce something with the knowledge that I already processed ? I'm sure every potential buyer of BTS has some knowledge or skill to offer to the Blockchain.
Although you're being sarcastic, now that I think about it, this might actually be a good thing. Imagine if a couple dozen newcomers joined us on the forums with their wacky and wild ideas for worker proposals. Not even considering the profit to shareholders (new workers currently burn 7338 BTS each), that would bring new attention and excitement to the community. Hey, who knows, maybe we would even want to hire one!
Although we have a great start toward covering the basics with the videos, here are two that I think are still top priority:
- Trading on Margin with Bitshares (a web wallet demo that covers collateral ratios, margin calls, forced settlement, etc.)
- Bitshares SmartCoins (easy-to-understand explanation of how pegs are maintained through shorting and price feeds)
It would also be nice to have a "Get Hired by the Blockchain" (info on how workers function) video, but it's not as critical.
Any others that you guys think are really top priority? @bitcrab your vote could bring the worker active again. What do you think of a short-term restoration to get the more important videos completed, and round out the set of tutorials for new users?