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General Discussion / Re: Bitcoin at $330 ?
« on: October 04, 2014, 08:29:43 pm »
Someone from Korean crytocommunity predicts BTC will go down to $250 at around 2015/3 and will bounce back.
He also expects BTC price will be $1000 at 2016/10 and will increase to $5500 at 2017/4.

Here's the link (Sorry, it's in Korean, but you can figure out what it means)
http://www.ddengle.com/bitcoin/879131#comment_881007

where, yellow line means actual value of BTC.

My technical analysis agrees with this the likelihood of this prediction. What is the overlapped chart of? Is it Bitcoin itself but blown to a larger/longer scale?

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General Discussion / Re: Bitcoin at $330 ?
« on: October 04, 2014, 07:59:15 pm »
This is a great opportunity to promote hedging in BitUSD! Gotta roll with the punches!

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KeyID / Re: Exchanges?
« on: October 04, 2014, 07:45:28 pm »
Imho, the current price is right, because now KeyID has no use but it is only tradable.
But my prediction is that the price will increase as functions are integrated to KeyID, i.e. DNS market, Secure mail, etc.

In short: Don't sell your DNS at this cheap price unless you need money right now :)

Exactly - selling DNS here would mean that you are either:
A) Blisfully unaware speculator looking for a quick buck (e.g. you held PTS and boom you got this out of nowhere, given most cryptos sell out at launch you rush to do the same)
B) You REALLY need the funds
C) Actually exposed yourself to a huge risk, only to get out at a break even -- I think this is what makes it seem ridiculous.
or
D) Possibly a mentally challenged individual who doesn't know what the hell they are doing.

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General Discussion / Re: DAC dilution model proposal
« on: October 04, 2014, 07:41:08 pm »
I think if you get diluted, you want to see the value. I think some % needs to go towards development.

The developers would have to set up a business delegate and advertise what they want to do with the funds. I imagine users would vote them in pretty quickly.

Wouldn't you allow being diluted 10%, if that could double/triple/10x/100x the market cap?

True, there is no hard cap. (except technically 64 bit numbers) But I also see no value in taking decisions away from stakeholders.

The problem with dilution is that there is no accountability. I would like to see a model where development cost is slowly introduced, and shareholders have the power to stop it, if they don't like the results. This will incentivize the developers to get it done. Have big bonuses at the end.

Well stakeholders still have the power to vote out business delegates (including the developer's delegates). Furthermore if users have the feeling additional funding isn't needed they can vote on 0% dilution.

I really like the ability to vote for delegates. However there are a few problems: Delegate's income is not enough to bring in serious talent. Number of delegate positions is limited.

i.e. you can use the voting model for delegates, and apply it towards developers. I wasn't suggesting that the shareholders don't have a say.

Ability to create supply for a given project is how I envision it. Then let shareholders vote for whether that supply should be created for that cause.

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KeyID / Re: Exchanges?
« on: October 04, 2014, 05:08:55 pm »
I have great confidence in Toast as well. But what you are describing is speculation. Not valuation. As far as valuation goes, most crypto is overpriced compared to their usability.

In the early days of .COM boom anyone with a web site and users was worth a ton of money. We are seeing very similar environment.

Even if you are betting on the right folks, the bubble pop in the crypto environment will also bring the good ones down. It won't be until a decade later that we are going to see those come to fruition. And even then new players are likely to come out of nowhere and take over.

Look at Yahoo - it sold for $600M at IPO, and it took a long time to start making money. Then you got Google come out of nowhere and take over.

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General Discussion / Re: DAC dilution model proposal
« on: October 04, 2014, 04:26:09 pm »
I think if you get diluted, you want to see the value. I think some % needs to go towards development.

Wouldn't you allow being diluted 10%, if that could double/triple/10x/100x the market cap?

The problem with dilution is that there is no accountability. I would like to see a model where development cost is slowly introduced, and shareholders have the power to stop it, if they don't like the results. This will incentivize the developers to get it done. Have big bonuses at the end.

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BitShares PTS / Re: PTS Snapshot problem with Cryptsy
« on: October 04, 2014, 04:19:50 pm »
Yes, it would also be interesting to see if they have claimed it or not. Would be a HUGE PR nightmare for them if they actually pocketed any of it.

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KeyID / Re: Exchanges?
« on: October 04, 2014, 04:16:20 pm »
I'm just making sure we distinguish between right and efficient.

The Market will almost always have inefficiencies. That doesn't mean that if you are buying below what the price should be, you will be able to turn a profit. You could have the foresight and proper analysis about something, yet you are not guaranteed to profit from it.

With respect to DNS I actually think the current price is right. There is no demand, because it will take a long time before DNS gets integrated. You don't just need yet another block chain. You need tools, browser plugins, awareness, examples, documentation, etc/etc/etc.

So yes, even though I'm interested in the technology, I'm not really interested in using DNS at the moment.

The notion of distributing to AGS/PTS holders guarantees over-supply at the beginning. But until true value is created all these DACs are virtually worthless penny stocks.

The prices we are seeing are just based on "future potential", not current usability. It is a very speculative valuation, but it goes without saying with high risk/high reward vehicles.

Here is an example - Market cap of BTSX is $60M, even though only 300K BitUSD has been created. So technology is there, but there just isn't enough demand yet. Can you imagine a real bank on Wallstreet that goes for IPO with $300K in user accounts and gets $60M market cap? :)

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KeyID / Re: Exchanges?
« on: October 04, 2014, 03:14:49 pm »
You may disagree with the Market. But the Market is ALWAYS right. The Market can also be very irrational, but ultimately if you buy/sell something at a price you think is "wrong" and then it stays that way for a few years, were you right or were you wrong?

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KeyID / Re: Exchanges?
« on: October 04, 2014, 03:06:48 pm »
Why do you think the price is absurd? Was Bitcoin's price at $0.0001 absurd at the time?

Remember, the Market is always right! :) Those who wish to use DNS already have enough to use it. Those that don't will sell it any price.

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KeyID / Re: Exchanges?
« on: October 04, 2014, 02:26:59 pm »
bter.com has DNS shares available now.

Fantastic! Thanks for letting us know! :) Now BTC38 needs to follow suit.

In theory selling for anything less that 200 satoshis is losing (someone calculated the difference before/after snapshot)

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Of course. Wallet is best.

Actually exchanges often let people trade IOU before the things are live. So wallet is not always best.

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You really think your code is that valuable that it needs to be closed? Lol people compete on innovation. Are you saying NoirBits just copied MMC and had no innovation whatsoever?

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This is the future agree. Just like most people have a blog. Most people could have a crypto.

Getting a student loan could mean a contract in which someone buys your shares up. But then takes a chunk of your income.

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Fantastic! What about DNS??

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