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Quote from: NewMine on February 16, 2015, 07:43:57 pmQuote from: gamey on February 16, 2015, 07:40:11 pmQuote from: NewMine on February 16, 2015, 07:33:21 pmHow about they "work" on making what they already have more valuable rather than trying to suck more out of a failing system. If they have to get real jobs and work on Bitshares in their spare time, so be it. Nobody has more to gain than the Dev team. The incentive is their, they just want to eat their cake too. The productivity of the group, as it seems now, is lacking. The supposed 1.0 launch seems to be drifting further away the more developers are added to the project. I have a feeling if 95% of the Dev team quit today! we would see 1.0 sooner than if they all stayed on board. Meanwhile price is on a downward spiral to its all time lows at the début of BTSX when market functionality was yet to be working or proved. Good job team! Maybe you could add 70 more developers so this project can nose dive into the graveyard and everyone here can just get on with their lives next week. Or maybe you could go back to St Marten and find that "Great White Buffalo", or the find the killer DAC that VOTE was supposed to be, or muster up that fellow from down under who was going to bring the Philippine remittance market, or the promised USD to BTS gateways that were coming months ago, or the infomercial (which sounds refreshing in this bleak project at this time), or you could just make up some other bullshit promise. Jesus Christ, after writing that, I can't believe I and anyone else is still involved with this. Those promises are no different than the paycoin promises.I stop reading your nonsense at statements like the above bolded. I'm fairly certain there are stakeholders far larger than members of the devteam.Your basic argument is always that the developers should give away their time for free and they are greedy for not doing it.I'm sure you have interesting things to say, but it is so smothered in your manipulative bullshit I can't even breath.Let's be honest, you definitely read my entire comment.What exactly am I manipulating? Should I call an ambulance for you?Yes, I lied. I did read the whole thing. Lol. Otherwise I wouldn't have gotten that manipulative vibe.You reach into the bag for every failed idea/old problem to make everyone involved look bad. You chastise the developers for not working for free. (LMAO) You have to do this, because how else can you make the project look bad ?Some points are relevant, some aren't. Yet at the very end you try and act like you're a supporter, and poor you. It is just that same ol bullshit that grizzled old souls can see through.
Quote from: gamey on February 16, 2015, 07:40:11 pmQuote from: NewMine on February 16, 2015, 07:33:21 pmHow about they "work" on making what they already have more valuable rather than trying to suck more out of a failing system. If they have to get real jobs and work on Bitshares in their spare time, so be it. Nobody has more to gain than the Dev team. The incentive is their, they just want to eat their cake too. The productivity of the group, as it seems now, is lacking. The supposed 1.0 launch seems to be drifting further away the more developers are added to the project. I have a feeling if 95% of the Dev team quit today! we would see 1.0 sooner than if they all stayed on board. Meanwhile price is on a downward spiral to its all time lows at the début of BTSX when market functionality was yet to be working or proved. Good job team! Maybe you could add 70 more developers so this project can nose dive into the graveyard and everyone here can just get on with their lives next week. Or maybe you could go back to St Marten and find that "Great White Buffalo", or the find the killer DAC that VOTE was supposed to be, or muster up that fellow from down under who was going to bring the Philippine remittance market, or the promised USD to BTS gateways that were coming months ago, or the infomercial (which sounds refreshing in this bleak project at this time), or you could just make up some other bullshit promise. Jesus Christ, after writing that, I can't believe I and anyone else is still involved with this. Those promises are no different than the paycoin promises.I stop reading your nonsense at statements like the above bolded. I'm fairly certain there are stakeholders far larger than members of the devteam.Your basic argument is always that the developers should give away their time for free and they are greedy for not doing it.I'm sure you have interesting things to say, but it is so smothered in your manipulative bullshit I can't even breath.Let's be honest, you definitely read my entire comment.What exactly am I manipulating? Should I call an ambulance for you?
Quote from: NewMine on February 16, 2015, 07:33:21 pmHow about they "work" on making what they already have more valuable rather than trying to suck more out of a failing system. If they have to get real jobs and work on Bitshares in their spare time, so be it. Nobody has more to gain than the Dev team. The incentive is their, they just want to eat their cake too. The productivity of the group, as it seems now, is lacking. The supposed 1.0 launch seems to be drifting further away the more developers are added to the project. I have a feeling if 95% of the Dev team quit today! we would see 1.0 sooner than if they all stayed on board. Meanwhile price is on a downward spiral to its all time lows at the début of BTSX when market functionality was yet to be working or proved. Good job team! Maybe you could add 70 more developers so this project can nose dive into the graveyard and everyone here can just get on with their lives next week. Or maybe you could go back to St Marten and find that "Great White Buffalo", or the find the killer DAC that VOTE was supposed to be, or muster up that fellow from down under who was going to bring the Philippine remittance market, or the promised USD to BTS gateways that were coming months ago, or the infomercial (which sounds refreshing in this bleak project at this time), or you could just make up some other bullshit promise. Jesus Christ, after writing that, I can't believe I and anyone else is still involved with this. Those promises are no different than the paycoin promises.I stop reading your nonsense at statements like the above bolded. I'm fairly certain there are stakeholders far larger than members of the devteam.Your basic argument is always that the developers should give away their time for free and they are greedy for not doing it.I'm sure you have interesting things to say, but it is so smothered in your manipulative bullshit I can't even breath.
How about they "work" on making what they already have more valuable rather than trying to suck more out of a failing system. If they have to get real jobs and work on Bitshares in their spare time, so be it. Nobody has more to gain than the Dev team. The incentive is their, they just want to eat their cake too. The productivity of the group, as it seems now, is lacking. The supposed 1.0 launch seems to be drifting further away the more developers are added to the project. I have a feeling if 95% of the Dev team quit today! we would see 1.0 sooner than if they all stayed on board. Meanwhile price is on a downward spiral to its all time lows at the début of BTSX when market functionality was yet to be working or proved. Good job team! Maybe you could add 70 more developers so this project can nose dive into the graveyard and everyone here can just get on with their lives next week. Or maybe you could go back to St Marten and find that "Great White Buffalo", or the find the killer DAC that VOTE was supposed to be, or muster up that fellow from down under who was going to bring the Philippine remittance market, or the promised USD to BTS gateways that were coming months ago, or the infomercial (which sounds refreshing in this bleak project at this time), or you could just make up some other bullshit promise. Jesus Christ, after writing that, I can't believe I and anyone else is still involved with this. Those promises are no different than the paycoin promises.
Traders don't use the exchange because there is no leverage or margin to use... The lack of liquidity is also way too low for any real trader to use this. Spreads are too big and the charts are much too basic to be of any use.Look at MT4 as a base example of what a trader requires graphically... It's the most popular trading platform.
Oh and cass. ..I will l be sending you some funds for helping w the beyond bitcoin logo
Quote from: cube on February 16, 2015, 03:09:15 pmQuote from: lil_jay890 on February 16, 2015, 02:56:00 pm..they will be payed higher than almost every other developer once the market cap gets bigger...Provided they can survive with their pittance salary until it happens. They are developers, not business investors nor sales/marketing folks.IMO that's the problem in many cases!
Quote from: lil_jay890 on February 16, 2015, 02:56:00 pm..they will be payed higher than almost every other developer once the market cap gets bigger...Provided they can survive with their pittance salary until it happens. They are developers, not business investors nor sales/marketing folks.
..they will be payed higher than almost every other developer once the market cap gets bigger...
I for one find Newmine's frankness refreshing.I disagree with him that delegate pay is dragging the project down. The price is going down simply because we havent given people an obvious reason why they should care about our product yet.If I go to bitshares.org, it still does not show any charts of a BitUSD:BitBTC / whatever market with any depth. If people see something claiming to be a decentralized exchange, its just a bold claim - they want to see proof that people are actually exchanging stuff with it.Why cant bitshares.org look like this: https://yunbi.com/markets/btccny
Quote from: NewMine on February 16, 2015, 07:33:21 pmHow about they "work" on making what they already have more valuable rather than trying to suck more out of a failing system. If they have to get real jobs and work on Bitshares in their spare time, so be it. Nobody has more to gain than the Dev team. The incentive is their, they just want to eat their cake too. The productivity of the group, as it seems now, is lacking. The supposed 1.0 launch seems to be drifting further away the more developers are added to the project. I have a feeling if 95% of the Dev team quit today! we would see 1.0 sooner than if they all stayed on board. Meanwhile price is on a downward spiral to its all time lows at the début of BTSX when market functionality was yet to be working or proved. Good job team! Maybe you could add 70 more developers so this project can nose dive into the graveyard and everyone here can just get on with their lives next week. Or maybe you could go back to St Marten and find that "Great White Buffalo", or the find the killer DAC that VOTE was supposed to be, or muster up that fellow from down under who was going to bring the Philippine remittance market, or the promised USD to BTS gateways that were coming months ago, or the infomercial (which sounds refreshing in this bleak project at this time), or you could just make up some other bullshit promise. Jesus Christ, after writing that, I can't believe I and anyone else is still involved with this. Those promises are no different than the paycoin promises.Sorry to say but I think a lot of people feel this way. He speaks for more than a few I suspect. Most won't dare post it though.
Quote from: speedy on February 16, 2015, 07:49:38 pmIf I go to bitshares.org, it still does not show any charts of a BitUSD:BitBTC / whatever market with any depth. If people see something claiming to be a decentralized exchange, its just a bold claim - they want to see proof that people are actually exchanging stuff with it.Why cant bitshares.org look like this: https://yunbi.com/markets/btccnyi'm working on it!
If I go to bitshares.org, it still does not show any charts of a BitUSD:BitBTC / whatever market with any depth. If people see something claiming to be a decentralized exchange, its just a bold claim - they want to see proof that people are actually exchanging stuff with it.Why cant bitshares.org look like this: https://yunbi.com/markets/btccny
I for one find Newmine's frankness refreshing.
I disagree with him that delegate pay is dragging the project down. The price is going down simply because we havent given people an obvious reason why they should care about our product yet.If I go to bitshares.org, it still does not show any charts of a BitUSD:BitBTC / whatever market with any depth. If people see something claiming to be a decentralized exchange, its just a bold claim - they want to see proof that people are actually exchanging stuff with it.Why cant bitshares.org look like this: https://yunbi.com/markets/btccny
this summer
Quote from: gamey on February 16, 2015, 05:48:09 pmQuote from: bitsapphire on February 16, 2015, 04:49:30 pmReal and successful companies don't issue stock at first, they try to take on debt instead. Issuing stock while the market cap is this low is damaging to Bitshares. One way to do debt financing is through a similar setup to what we're proposing with our wallet.I hope the community starts to understand the need for debt financing before the market cap drops even more. That would be a terrible pitty.This post is so LOL on so many levels.Not really.
Quote from: bitsapphire on February 16, 2015, 04:49:30 pmReal and successful companies don't issue stock at first, they try to take on debt instead. Issuing stock while the market cap is this low is damaging to Bitshares. One way to do debt financing is through a similar setup to what we're proposing with our wallet.I hope the community starts to understand the need for debt financing before the market cap drops even more. That would be a terrible pitty.This post is so LOL on so many levels.
Real and successful companies don't issue stock at first, they try to take on debt instead. Issuing stock while the market cap is this low is damaging to Bitshares. One way to do debt financing is through a similar setup to what we're proposing with our wallet.I hope the community starts to understand the need for debt financing before the market cap drops even more. That would be a terrible pitty.
Quote from: NewMine on February 16, 2015, 07:33:21 pmHow about they "work" on making what they already have more valuable rather than trying to suck more out of a failing system. If they have to get real jobs and work on Bitshares in their spare time, so be it. Nobody has more to gain than the Dev team. The incentive is their, they just want to eat their cake too. The productivity of the group, as it seems now, is lacking. The supposed 1.0 launch seems to be drifting further away the more developers are added to the project. I have a feeling if 95% of the Dev team quit today! we would see 1.0 sooner than if they all stayed on board. Meanwhile price is on a downward spiral to its all time lows at the début of BTSX when market functionality was yet to be working or proved. Good job team! Maybe you could add 70 more developers so this project can nose dive into the graveyard and everyone here can just get on with their lives next week. Or maybe you could go back to St Marten and find that "Great White Buffalo", or the find the killer DAC that VOTE was supposed to be, or muster up that fellow from down under who was going to bring the Philippine remittance market, or the promised USD to BTS gateways that were coming months ago, or the infomercial (which sounds refreshing in this bleak project at this time), or you could just make up some other bullshit promise. Jesus Christ, after writing that, I can't believe I and anyone else is still involved with this. Those promises are no different than the paycoin promises.Missed you comments.. !
Yes, this is by far THE most important problem facing crypto currencies.Let us say someone like Apple, wanted to move into this market in a big way. Imagine them having huge high paid (with real money, not pipe dreams) teams, not only codding, but doing all of the other things required to change the way the world does things. They could easily clone all of our open source, create 101 delegates of their own – all controlled by the hierarchical beurocracy, that is Apple.What we are really trying to do, is answer: how do you make it so a grass roots, non-beurocratic leaderless community can compete with a well-organized hierarchical bureaucracy? Until a crypto currency community can learn how to merge together, and co-operate, on large scales (i.e. millions of people) we will never compete with hierarchies that can do that.
I am working to keep the team together, motivated, and compensated without additional delegate positions. The developers fully realize that multiple paid positions would be counter-productive at increasing their take-home pay.
Quote from: lil_jay890 on February 16, 2015, 02:56:00 pmThe way we are doing it now... with equity that they earn through their delegate positions. If they do a good job and grow the ecosystem they will be payed higher than almost every other developer once the market cap gets bigger. I would like to know if all the dev's are working full time or if this is a part time gig for them... judging by the github milestones, hardly any progress has been made in the last week.Agreed, I've been watching those milestones like a hawk and it seems lately only more issues get added instead of closed, and 0.9.0 has already been pushed back like a month and a half into early March...which probably means May.Not looking good. We need a high market cap to secure top talent, but we need top talent to produce something tangible to get the high market cap. Where the hell's the light wallet anyway?
The way we are doing it now... with equity that they earn through their delegate positions. If they do a good job and grow the ecosystem they will be payed higher than almost every other developer once the market cap gets bigger. I would like to know if all the dev's are working full time or if this is a part time gig for them... judging by the github milestones, hardly any progress has been made in the last week.
Quote from: donkeypong on February 16, 2015, 03:17:33 pmQuote from: Empirical1.2 on February 16, 2015, 02:50:30 pmHow do we provide our current core developers with a competitive salary & some future certainty going forward?Dramatically increase the market cap.Maybe encourage escrow trading somehow for delegates.Every escrow deal made, would help slow down selling pressure a bit.
Quote from: Empirical1.2 on February 16, 2015, 02:50:30 pmHow do we provide our current core developers with a competitive salary & some future certainty going forward?Dramatically increase the market cap.
How do we provide our current core developers with a competitive salary & some future certainty going forward?
i'm working full time for BitShares.. but due the current price situation i'm considerung ( cause 2nd delegate isn't a option) do switch more into my own projects!...