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Messages - monsterer

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General Discussion / Re: Mt Gox > Cryptsy - Time for BTS?
« on: January 17, 2016, 10:16:41 am »
Why is BitShares not ready to offer protection against Mt. Gox / account hacking right now? Isn't it only a matter of educating admins (such as those for metaX, Blktrades & ccedk) on how to use the hierarchical account structure, i.e. multisig? Or are there still bugs in the GUI render that crippled?

The only way to be completely free of counterparty risk is to use pegged assets; that's where bitshares real strength lies.

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General Discussion / Re: exchange preparing for voting
« on: January 11, 2016, 03:22:17 pm »
not same, it's easy for exchange to understand what they are doing, and to judge whether voting conflict with their interest.

Yes, and they could easily decide that it's in their best interests to vote out all the delegates and vote in their own unique set. Giving one entity so much power is a very bad idea.

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General Discussion / Re: exchange preparing for voting
« on: January 11, 2016, 01:33:52 pm »
there's no social contract/consensus that exchange should not vote, the problem is only how exchange should communicate with their users on this issue.
from committee perspective, the problem is how to define the rule to prevent one big account from controlling the whole network, maybe one option is to restrict the committee number one account can at most vote.
no proff to tell that exchanges are more likely to abuse power, they do not spend capital for the stake, but they are responsible for their users.

Once you let the genie out of the box, you won't be able to put it back in.

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General Discussion / Re: exchange preparing for voting
« on: January 11, 2016, 10:22:58 am »
I've seen you are participating in Anonymint's consensus algorithm discussion on BCT... I am looking forward to reading that thread but haven't had time. Is there anything useful you think could be implemented/tweaked in dPoS to improve it?

Yes, I've mentioned before that totally removing the voting element is the only way to go. That would at least bring DPOS inline with plain POS in terms of majority stake influence.

Rank the top N staking accounts by stake and automatically make them the block producers.

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General Discussion / Re: exchange preparing for voting
« on: January 10, 2016, 10:44:33 pm »
I think the negative publicity is greater that it only takes 15% stake to attack Bitshares than the fact that exchanges would have a large war chest to vote with.

They wouldn't necessarily be forging blocks anyways.. unless they happened to get voted in as a delegate. As stated upthread, maybe this would spur more people to use the DEX as well.

But the point is, the exchanges are *the* most likely candidates to abuse that voting power; they expended no capital to acquire the power, they can do whatever they like with it. This is a fundamental problem with (D)POS, the only thing we can do is try and have them uphold the social contract of not voting in the first place.

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General Discussion / Re: exchange preparing for voting
« on: January 10, 2016, 09:19:03 pm »
Thats the point .. there never really was an exchange-novote-'social consensus'

And even if there was, the exchanges wouldnt know

There is always a stink kicked up when an exchange is discovered to be forging blocks with other people's stake, in any POS currency. The social contract revolves around negative publicity.

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General Discussion / Re: exchange preparing for voting
« on: January 09, 2016, 03:23:20 pm »
Have the exchange's distribute their voting power equally through all committee members. That way it shouldn't make much difference. For example, everyone would have +50M votes. It's a lot, but at least it's more distributed.

That's the same as them not voting, which is much better because then its easier to spot exchanges which do vote, thereby breaking the social contract.

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General Discussion / Re: Lessons Learned from Alt Coins
« on: January 09, 2016, 12:32:39 pm »
I'd like add this last point:

* Launch first in china, then consider the rest of the world

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General Discussion / Re: Lessons Learned from Alt Coins
« on: January 08, 2016, 11:54:53 pm »
What lessons can we learn about how to launch a successful alt-coin?  Perhaps we could use this information to help us improve BTS marketing.

If you wanted to "create an alt coin" and only a "coin", not a DAC... how would you market it to maximize its market cap to be higher than DOGE.

Be first, or be lucky.

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General Discussion / Re: exchange preparing for voting
« on: January 08, 2016, 11:54:12 pm »
Exchange is free to vote with BTS which you, dumb assholes, keep in their wallet. This is absolutely just. You give your BTS away, you give your vote away. As simple as this. Don't complain about this, because if you do, you look like idiots.

Although you are correct, this exposes one of the great weaknesses of the POS model, which is highly undesirable, hence the concern.

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General Discussion / Re: exchange preparing for voting
« on: January 08, 2016, 02:16:45 pm »
I think you're abusing your power here in this case.

The users of your exchange have not authorized you to vote with THEIR stake.

 +5%

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General Discussion / Re: exchange preparing for voting
« on: January 08, 2016, 09:15:53 am »
This is a terrible idea. Exchanges didn't expend any capital to acquire that voting stake, so if they so chose, they can attack the network with zero cost using their stake to vote.

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General Discussion / Re: I suggest privated BTS
« on: January 08, 2016, 09:03:20 am »
I mean we should give the profit from network fees to big holders,

You propose returning to a plain POS model?

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General Discussion / Re: Mutual Aid Societies
« on: January 07, 2016, 05:31:48 pm »
+5% +5% +5%, great, good idea, i like it, just do it!

Is this spam?

I'm fairly sure that's the only phrase that user ever posts.

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General Discussion / Re: The Benefits of Proof of Work [BLOG POST]
« on: January 07, 2016, 05:00:22 pm »
Other alt coin didn't spend millions of dollars to "build features that adds values" . You can't seriously compare the downtrend with zero development shitcoins . Otherwise , you'll demonstrating that development did bitshares no good than other shitcoins .

Sometimes value is outside the control of things which are logical

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