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Title: edit**Protoblock** [new DAC] Satoshi Fantasy - Fantasybits
Post by: SatoshiFantasy on April 16, 2014, 12:23:44 am
1/11/17 ***NEW THREAD - https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1723391



Distributed Autonomous Fantasy Football

whitepaper
http://satoshifantasy.com/media/satoshifantasy.pdf

source
https://github.com/jaybny/fantasybit

Key Features:

info@SatoshiFantasy.com
Title: Re: [new DAC] Satoshi Fantasy - Fantasybits
Post by: toast on April 16, 2014, 12:32:58 am
Potentially very cool!
Honors AGS/PTS? I'm guessing no because "proof-of-stake system, without pre-distribution", what does that mean?
Title: Re: [new DAC] Satoshi Fantasy - Fantasybits
Post by: SatoshiFantasy on April 16, 2014, 12:56:10 am
Potentially very cool!
Honors AGS/PTS? I'm guessing no because "proof-of-stake system, without pre-distribution", what does that mean?

No pre-distribution, no pump and dump, all fantasybits are generated by NFL players playing football. there a some  other potential ways for a return on equity. no real business plan here, system designed to grow organically. 
Title: Re: [new DAC] Satoshi Fantasy - Fantasybits
Post by: santaclause102 on April 16, 2014, 02:48:17 am
Potentially very cool!
Honors AGS/PTS? I'm guessing no because "proof-of-stake system, without pre-distribution", what does that mean?

No pre-distribution, no pump and dump, all fantasybits are generated by NFL players playing football. there a some  other potential ways for a return on equity. no real business plan here, system designed to grow organically.
So the ones that gable early on will hold the shares?
Title: Re: [new DAC] Satoshi Fantasy - Fantasybits
Post by: SatoshiFantasy on April 16, 2014, 03:54:05 am
Potentially very cool!
Honors AGS/PTS? I'm guessing no because "proof-of-stake system, without pre-distribution", what does that mean?

No pre-distribution, no pump and dump, all fantasybits are generated by NFL players playing football. there a some  other potential ways for a return on equity. no real business plan here, system designed to grow organically.
So the ones that gable early on will hold the shares?
there are no shares.. kinda like currency, but predictions instead if mining. 
Title: Re: [new DAC] Satoshi Fantasy - Fantasybits
Post by: toast on April 16, 2014, 03:57:18 am
currency, shares, whatever - they are constantly generated as a reward for people making bets?
Title: Re: [new DAC] Satoshi Fantasy - Fantasybits
Post by: SatoshiFantasy on April 16, 2014, 04:02:39 am
Payton Manning throws a TD, this creates 400 fantasybits. Gets distributed among best predictions for Payton Manning in this game.

Two phases here:

Phase1: no betting, no transferring.. just earning bits... from predictions

Phase2: buy and sell season contracts, win and lose bits.. and normal currency transactions.
Title: Re: [new DAC] Satoshi Fantasy - Fantasybits
Post by: bytemaster on June 26, 2014, 01:10:52 pm
I really like this.  What feed would you use for the data?
Title: Re: [new DAC] Satoshi Fantasy - Fantasybits
Post by: fuzzy on June 26, 2014, 05:46:07 pm
Yum...any way to explain this in detail and answer questions from the community after our next mumble session?
Title: Re: [new DAC] Satoshi Fantasy - Fantasybits
Post by: SatoshiFantasy on June 26, 2014, 07:03:47 pm
I really like this.  What feed would you use for the data?
there are multiple well known feeds for data. stats inc, fantasydata.com

Yum...any way to explain this in detail and answer questions from the community after our next mumble session?

sure.
Title: Re: [new DAC] Satoshi Fantasy - Fantasybits
Post by: dxtr on June 26, 2014, 10:09:34 pm
So it all comes down to a consensus of how a value is being created - if you create an algorithm that rewards majority of people just by honestly following a "decalog" for what is meaningful for them, then you have a succesfull DAC attracting beliefs driven people.
Title: Re: [new DAC] Satoshi Fantasy - Fantasybits
Post by: SatoshiFantasy on June 27, 2014, 04:07:04 pm
  ;) when and where is this mumble session and how does it work?

Ive been working on reframing the concept over the past couple of months.  The fantasybit implementation would be designed to appeal mostly to domain experts. So the expectation is that 99% of stake holders over the first year will not be running full nodes. This is a case of "centralization due to implementation complexity".

Quote
One example of "centralization due to implementation complexity" is merged mining. Merged-mining may cost "nothing" during actual mining/hashing. However, maintaining each coin has implementation complexity. So merged-mining would end up causing even more centralization and an even smaller group of profitable miners.

bytemaster,  fuznuts , toast :  please email or pm, to discuss current implementation plans. I know there is lots of overlap with bitshares, but I think they can work together.

jaybny  .a.t.  satoshifantasy .d.o.t. .c.o.m.
Title: Re: [new DAC] Satoshi Fantasy - Fantasybits
Post by: emski on June 27, 2014, 04:23:42 pm
Fascinating! Good work!
Title: Proof of Bergstake
Post by: SatoshiFantasy on August 05, 2014, 06:30:10 am
http://satoshifantasy.com/bergstake-2/ (http://satoshifantasy.com/bergstake-2/)

Bergstake – distributed consensus

Bergstake represents the right to sign blocks in crypto-currency block-chains. Block signers receive rewards for securing the network. Rewards can be new coins and/or transaction fees. Bergstake differs from typical coin-stake, in that bergstake is non-transferable and lasts-forever *.

The bergstake concept is a generalization of “Proof-of-Skill” described by Jay Berg in the Satoshi Fantasy whitepaper (1). As each coin is created, whether by proof-of-work, pre-mine, or fantasy football points, the private-key holder of those new coins, automatically receives and equal amount of bergstake. Even if those new coins are transferred away, the bergstake remains.

Bergstake is an alternative distributed consensus mechanism, to Bitcoins proof-of-work mining. Bergstake attempts to solve known issues in all proof-of-stake blockchains.

Bergstake blockchains have knowledge of alternative forks. This enables a “proof-of-double-mining”, which has ability to destroy bergstake and its recent block reward. The risk of losing bergstake and recent virgin coins, is incentive to mine on only the “real” blockchain fork.  This core feature fixes the “nothing-at-stake” flaw in proof-of-stake blockchains.

The algorithm that chooses the next block-signer can be gamed in other proof-of-stake blockchains. This technique, known as “costless simulation” or “stake-grinding”, entails a type of “mining” of the block data until its produces a hash that gives rights to sign the next block. Since all bergstakers are known in advance, a block-signer selection algorithm that mitigates grinding can be used. One technique, employed by Nxt, is to use the hash of the previous two signers to select the next signer. Another technique involves choosing the next N signers based on current signer and a pseudorandom number.

Other problems arise, as Peter Todd asks, “can I use stake to get more stake”.  Bergstake can only be used to generate coins, not more bergstake.

Bergstake is currently being developed within the new upcoming Breakoutcoin. There will be a proof-of-work period where block signers will get bergstake in addition to the normal Breakoutcoin reward. After the initial phase, Breakoutcoin will be secured and will reach distributed consensus using pure “bergstaking”. Block signers will continue to receive the same new coin reward as in the proof-of-work phase. Once all coins have been distributed, bergstakers will be rewarded with transaction fees only.

*bergstake can be lost by Proof-of-double-mining. Bergstake can be transferred, as an inheritance for example, by providing the original private-key

(1)   http://satoshifantasy.com/media/satoshifantasy.pdf (http://satoshifantasy.com/media/satoshifantasy.pdf)  – Distributed Engineered Autonomous Agents : Satoshi Fantasy
Title: Re: [new DAC] Satoshi Fantasy - Fantasybits
Post by: xeroc on August 05, 2014, 07:55:20 am
awesome idea +5%
need to read that whitepaper
Title: Re: [new DAC] Satoshi Fantasy - Fantasybits
Post by: emski on August 05, 2014, 08:23:13 am
Very interesting. I like how the Bergstake actually measures how involved (and successful) you are in the predictions and the coins are separate deal. This is better than any voting, too bad it requires data feed.

Where we could get more info on Breakoutcoin ?
Title: Re: [new DAC] Satoshi Fantasy - Fantasybits
Post by: Riverhead on August 05, 2014, 08:58:07 am
What I really love about this idea is that, like the Athlete Sponsership DAC proposed in another thread, this is something I never would have thought of and perhaps even I3 didn't see coming.  I am looking forward to many years of being surprised.

"In my opinion, all previous advances in the various lines of invention will appear totally insignificant when compared with those which the present century will witness. I almost wish that I might live my life over again to see the wonders which are at the threshold" - Charles Holland Duell, United States Commissioner of Patents, 1902.
Title: Re: [new DAC] Satoshi Fantasy - Fantasybits
Post by: Riverhead on August 05, 2014, 09:03:28 am
Also, in line with bitDNS, bitTunes, etc. what about bitPool?
Title: Re: [new DAC] Satoshi Fantasy - Fantasybits
Post by: SatoshiFantasy on August 19, 2014, 06:26:38 pm
Very interesting. I like how the Bergstake actually measures how involved (and successful) you are in the predictions and the coins are separate deal. This is better than any voting, too bad it requires data feed.

Where we could get more info on Breakoutcoin ?
Doesnt really require a data feed, but does require an agent (oracle) to provide the feed data inside a block. subtle difference.

Here is some info on Breakout.
http://satoshifantasy.com/breakoutcoin-with-bergstake/

Breakoutcoin is being funded by  www.breakoutgaming.com


fantasybit.com  - im trying to get the fantasybit coin in a basic working state by Sept 3, before NFL week1. Ive been stuck on porting C++11 code to windows... running out of time.  any suggestions?
Title: Re: [new DAC] Satoshi Fantasy - Fantasybits
Post by: SatoshiFantasy on August 19, 2014, 06:35:48 pm
So the ones that gable early on will hold the shares?

yes. as of now there are only 3 players. they will split all 4 million coins for the 2014 season.. thats assuming I get something working in next 2 weeks...  :'(
Title: Re: [new DAC] Satoshi Fantasy - Fantasybits
Post by: Pheonike on August 19, 2014, 07:00:32 pm

This very nice. Still reading through it.
Title: Re: [new DAC] Satoshi Fantasy - Fantasybits
Post by: SatoshiFantasy on August 19, 2014, 07:18:14 pm
Potentially very cool!
Honors AGS/PTS? I'm guessing no because "proof-of-stake system, without pre-distribution", what does that mean?

Hey Toast, hows it going? Yes, there is a way to honor AGS/PTS .. basically the "Data Agent" gets all leftover coins.. so can give 10% to AGS/PTS.   
Title: Bounty - webapp
Post by: SatoshiFantasy on August 20, 2014, 02:12:16 am
Bounty.

http://fantasybit.com/media/WebSiteSpecifications.pdf


Title: Re: [new DAC] Satoshi Fantasy - Fantasybits
Post by: fuzzy on August 21, 2014, 08:07:51 am
  ;) when and where is this mumble session and how does it work?

Ive been working on reframing the concept over the past couple of months.  The fantasybit implementation would be designed to appeal mostly to domain experts. So the expectation is that 99% of stake holders over the first year will not be running full nodes. This is a case of "centralization due to implementation complexity".

Quote
One example of "centralization due to implementation complexity" is merged mining. Merged-mining may cost "nothing" during actual mining/hashing. However, maintaining each coin has implementation complexity. So merged-mining would end up causing even more centralization and an even smaller group of profitable miners.

bytemaster,  fuznuts , toast :  please email or pm, to discuss current implementation plans. I know there is lots of overlap with bitshares, but I think they can work together.

jaybny  .a.t.  satoshifantasy .d.o.t. .c.o.m.

The Mumble Sessions are currently set up by myself and edited by Gamey, but literally anyone can attend and record.  Though the weekly Dev hangout with BM is at 3pm EST every friday, it is not necessary to go with the same format. 

With that said, there are many others on the forums who are also capable of performing the tasks myself and Gamey are working on performing.  As more and more DACs that honor PTS/AGS are released, it is going to become much more difficult for our small team to cover all of them.  Luckily, anyone who is able is allowed to set up a mumble hangout at any time and date...and covering any topic.  All they need to do is take the initiative and use the tools provided to create value for the ecosystem. 

I see you in the Mumble btw!  Perhaps we could all start our own Fantasy Football League here on the forums too?? :P

(http://i.imgur.com/EEhnQif.gif)
Title: Bitshares fantasy football league
Post by: SatoshiFantasy on August 21, 2014, 05:31:43 pm
  Perhaps we could all start our own Fantasy Football League here on the forums too?? :P

Done!

http://games.espn.go.com/ffl/leagueoffice?leagueId=1208550

-- 12 team league, live draft 
-- can change format or times etc
-- click link to sign up directly or pm me your email address to join league

http://games.espn.go.com/ffl/tools/join?leagueId=1208550&inviteId=AAAABAAScOYAAAfeAAAAAgAAIzU%3D&inviteKey=43369
Title: Silicon Valley Bitcoin Meetup - 6pm @ Plug and Play Tech Center
Post by: SatoshiFantasy on August 27, 2014, 06:00:41 pm
http://www.meetup.com/Silicon-Valley-Bitcoin-Users/events/200993852/

Silicon Valley Bitcoin Meetup - 6pm @ Plug and Play Tech Center
Tuesday, September 2, 2014 6:00 PM
Silicon Valley Bitcoin

   
Meetup agenda:
This upcoming Tuesday, September 2nd, at 6:00pm, the Silicon Valley Bitcoin Meetup is proud to present a number of speakers, including:

Jay Berg of SatoshiFantasy.com, a Distributed Autonomous Fantasy Football Game

More speakers to be announced...

Plug and Play Tech Center
440 N. Wolfe Rd. , Sunnyvale, CA 94085
Our meetup will be held at Plug and Play's 2nd Floor "Game Room"

The Silicon Valley Bitcoin Meetup is hosted weekly, every Tuesday from 6:00pm to 8:00pm, at Plug and Play Tech Center's 2nd Floor Game Room.

Please join us and meet other Bitcoiners!

(http://i.imgur.com/AjY4ZBF.png)
Title: Re: [new DAC] Satoshi Fantasy - Fantasybits
Post by: SatoshiFantasy on May 23, 2015, 01:15:02 am
Hi Guys, This project is back on track, looking for help, please pm if interested. Jay
Title: Re: [new DAC] Satoshi Fantasy - Fantasybits
Post by: mangou007 on May 23, 2015, 12:31:55 pm
Great idea :)  +5%
Title: Re: [new DAC] Satoshi Fantasy - Fantasybits
Post by: SatoshiFantasy on June 11, 2015, 11:57:12 pm
I am Funded! only 84 days to kickoff!

-- looking for Core C++ coders

-- can pay up to 50 BTC

-- need help with NAT holepunching and more

-- can also try to use toolkit, if someone wants to help.

any advice where to look? 
Title: Re: [new DAC] Satoshi Fantasy - Fantasybits
Post by: Ander on June 12, 2015, 12:20:40 am
This sounds fun.

How do I get in on it for next season?  Is it free?
Title: Re: [new DAC] Satoshi Fantasy - Fantasybits
Post by: SatoshiFantasy on June 12, 2015, 12:25:48 am
yes. its free. its starting Sept 1. hopefully.

sign up for the beta, and keep a look out for a release.

Title: Re: [new DAC] Satoshi Fantasy - Fantasybits
Post by: SatoshiFantasy on January 12, 2017, 03:02:39 am
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1723391

https://twitter.com/protoblock/status/819013229116420096