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1546
砸盘的时候没见比谁降的慢,喂价一个比一个降的快,一样就爆,寄希望与低刷新喂价救不了谁。

单独设一个爆仓线,不可能一刷就爆,1.75的抵押线,1.7的爆仓线。

一个喂价基本由外盘把持,人家不用砸内盘也能把内盘刷爆,这段时间内盘是被砸下来的?还是被喂价挤压爆的?大家应该都清楚。

再者,大家抵押出来的也是真金白银,在没有降到1.1之前,bitcny也是足额抵押的。
总是感觉这样地画面:见证人挂好了超低价的买单,然后输入一个超低喂价,一点更新,耶,筹码入袋,等会社区的韭菜们拉上上马上就出

人工喂价这种方式存在太多的干扰与人为因素,没有一套严密的监督与淘汰机制,光靠见证人的自觉性与及时反馈性,喂出合理的价格简直就是痴心妄想,这种形式的喂价就是BTS抵押锚定的一颗毒瘤,早晚会发作,虽然一直在发作。

想改,门都没有。

1547
Just because they have a nice graphic with many little arrows pointing everywhere doesn't mean it's going to work better than what we have.

If we still think they only have a nice graphic, we will see, just like the MAKER DAI.

a) using the DEX price for the feed is dangerous because such feedback loops tend to oscillate, and

I have said we can give the feed price(DEX price) a range of risk which will be controlled by CEX price(e.g. 1.05*CEX, CEX), dangerous didn't exit.

Using or not using the DEX price for the feed both have feedback loops, every asset with collatera will have feedback loops without doubt.

b) there is no such thing as a "correct" feed price when external markets are skewed due to political boundaries, so it is pointless to argue about it.

We just ask a "fair“ feed price,if i can't use the feed price to buy 1 bts from the CEX easily,i don't think it‘s a ”fair“ feed price.

Political exsits everywhere,  i don't think argue aout feed price is pointless, it‘s very important.

1548
0.399 ::)?

 USD -> BTS? where can buy bts with USD?

 BTS ->BTC -> USD ->CNY? is this some of witness feed price?!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

 if can't make a true fiat price of BTS, please don't make the bitasset,

Now the feed price just become the fake price, i can't use the feed price to buy 1 bts from the CEX.



1549
中文 (Chinese) / Re: EOS 上去中心化稳定币 USD-EOS
« on: April 12, 2019, 11:07:54 pm »
存在“准备金”,也就是一定程度上由系统兜底。

行不行,走着瞧呗。

仔细看看别人的白皮书再说吧,一个抵押稳定币,也是参考BTS及MAKER的各种优缺陷改进来的。。

MAKER已经做到了50亿市值,当然,我们也可以说他们是背靠大树好招风。

再者现在bts被清算了不是系统兜底?有措施处理黑掉的锚定资产的办法吗?

假如一个锚定资产大户拥有80%的锚定资产持有量,当这个锚定资产黑掉的时候,这个大户把账户密码私钥脑密钥全部丢了,系统怎么来平这个坏账?是不是永远平不了这个坏账?最后谁来兜这个底?!!这个问题很早就提出过,似乎没有人关心吧,不过没关系,可以看看人家是怎么处理的。

“知道这个有问题,但是不想想办法去解决” 这个似乎就是BTS锚定资产的现状吧。。。

1550
砸盘的时候没见比谁降的慢,喂价一个比一个降的快,一样就爆,寄希望与低刷新喂价救不了谁。

单独设一个爆仓线,不可能一刷就爆,1.75的抵押线,1.7的爆仓线。

一个喂价基本由外盘把持,人家不用砸内盘也能把内盘刷爆,这段时间内盘是被砸下来的?还是被喂价挤压爆的?大家应该都清楚。

再者,大家抵押出来的也是真金白银,在没有降到1.1之前,bitcny也是足额抵押的。

1551
Using the DEX price for the feed creates a feedback loop, which is inherently dangerous.

It will not be a feedback loop,if the witness only give the price from CEX, and system give the DEX price, then the feed price will
calculate by the system by the CEX price and DEX price.

and give a range of risk which will be controlled by CEX price.


and what i want to asked is if you want to change the mechanism of the feed price?

or think it's perfect?

or i think it has some problems but we didn't want do something,so be it?


USDE had finished what we discussed and wanted, so if we stand still and argument all the time and do nothing?

They have MSSR=102%,they have charge fee from the margin call,they have insurance fund,they can settle the bitasset when GS.

LOOK!!!

https://test.pizza.live/


1552
实在不想吐槽这种的喂价机制,但是实在是忍不住的想说声****

必须规定见证人的喂价刷新时间不能低于三分钟,不然怎么反应实时法币价格?10分钟20分钟的一刷新有什么用?

连基本的实时法币价格都锚不了?!!!


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另外我发一个USDE人家现在在怎么做。

作为抵押稳定币的先行者,是否还需要固步自封下去?

https://test.pizza.live/

别人把我们的以前提出的想法与讨论都做出来了, 该是悲哀还是高兴???!!!??
https://bitsharestalk.org/index.php?topic=26780.0 整整快一年。。。。

MSSR=102%,收取爆仓手续费,成立保险基金,黑天鹅的时候可以反向强清锚定资产.....

现在还认为我们很早就提出的方案没有可行性了吗?!!!!!!!



1553


0.4292 cny can buy 1 bts?

1554
gdex-wittness的喂价忽高忽低,不正常

1555
请加上解锁按钮!!!

1556
需要实验一下才行,看看输出结果怎么样。

可以偏离,但需要在可控风险之内,让强清在合适的时间也可以发挥作用,控制锚定偏离。

一个价格被外盘牢牢握住的抵押锚定永远成长不起来,因为外盘不需要来内盘砸盘,只要在几个交易所刷下价格来就可以用平仓把内盘挤压死。

MAKER DAI跟USDE是背靠大树好乘凉,不然也是一个性质,但是BTS比他们的优势在于有内部交易所进行交易,而不需要去外部交易所平仓处理,价格上应该有主动权。

外盘的喂价应当只作为一个风险参考价格,控制内盘作为喂价时的极端情况,迅速拉高及迅速砸低。

如果整个社区对喂价这个事情还是不以为然,混一天是一天,那真是没救,整个国外社区的想法就是:我们知道喂价有问题,也知道外部交易所的价格是刷出来的“假”价格,但是我们没有办法,就这样子吧!!!

另外: 充值费率大多数情况是以CNC,QC的价格跟内盘价格做标杆的,再另外:gdex-witness的喂价能不能正常一些?!

1557
Using the DEX price for the feed creates a feedback loop, which is inherently dangerous.

The real source of the problem is that the markets are skewed, and arbitrage is difficult because of political boundaries. The consequence is that there is no single "correct" price. We've had that discussion before.

IMO under these circumstances it is OK to increase the settlement offset, and perhaps also accept a higher premium by increasing MSSR. The resulting spread could cover the market differences and protect both sides.

increasing MSSR is not a good idea.

I have a idea below maybe solve some problems.

Feed price= (CEX price+DEX price)/2,  maybe clear, set two weight parameters X, Y, and one parameter Z like MSSR, these can be adjusted by committee:

if CEX price<= (X*CEX price+Y*DEX price)/2<= CEX price*Z,

then feed price=(X*CEX price+Y*DEX price)/2

if  (X*CEX price+Y*DEX price)/2 >CEX price*Z,

then feed price=CEX price*Z

if  (X*CEX price+Y*DEX price)/2<CEX price
then feed price=CEX price

1558

if 内盘修正价>1.1*外盘价
   喂价 = (内盘修正价+外盘价)/2


这样喂价不是一下来个大跳水?从1.1*外盘价  直接跳到  喂价 = (内盘修正价+外盘价)/2?

比如外盘价0.446, 内盘价格0.4906,喂价从0.4906直接跳到0.4683?

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I am not sure I can follow. Obviously, people don't see arbitrage opportunity when they see it.

What is a "fair price" depends on perspective. For witnesses, the "fair price" is probably to consider markets with high volume to obtain a pricing of BTS against BTC then against CNY
The more markets there are between BTS and CNY, the more spread will be part of the "fair price".
Ideally, we get bitCNY listed on more exchanges and we get BTS listed against fiat CNY. Then witnesses can add those as source for their price feed and arbitrage will close the gab.

Blaming witnesses for inaccurate feeds is the wrong approach.

This is the design deficiency of feed price not the witness fault,the CEX price should be a reference and risk control price, real price should be the DEX price.

1560
General Discussion / Re: price feeding review
« on: April 11, 2019, 09:09:21 am »
Pdex: DEX price that has been modified by bitCNY premium/discount factor
Pcex: price get from CEX

if Pdex>1.2*Pcex:  ## to cope with unusual exreme issues.
   Pfeed = Pcex
otherwise:
   Pfeed = max(Pcex, Pdex)

1.2 or 1.02?
or 1.05?

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