The worst thing for BTS is this forum

[fav]

the only problem I got with this forum is the software. Really appreciate this community, we're one of the most active crypto communites in my opinion.

[lovejoy]

Here today, are the lamentations of those who are suffering, and angry.  Their clamor is infectious, and the dreamers and builders may go silent in reflection, and continue on quietly building their dreams, but we are all poorer for this silence.

To those who are tired and depressed from the toilsome road they may be on, take courage, turn your loss into grief, and your grief into beauty!

Maybe some who are quiet are being quiet before something big comes

Bring it! 

Oh and @KD - thanks for the appreciation. 

Fuzzy, the recent video I viewed (from a link on this forum) where a few guys went across the country interviewing people, including yourself, really blew me away and invigorated my interest in the project.

Those videos are awesome, they should be front and center, people would rather watch than read... we should have milestones and goals kicked prominently listed. We need to think about marketing more on this forum, as well as the official website, as it is a well known source of information.

Our goal with the P2P tour was to show the community to itself, and help make tangible the amazing people working on this project in the hopes that it would help bring us together.

If we've succeeded at all in this, I'm happy.
There's more to come!

[fuzzy]

Here today, are the lamentations of those who are suffering, and angry.  Their clamor is infectious, and the dreamers and builders may go silent in reflection, and continue on quietly building their dreams, but we are all poorer for this silence.

To those who are tired and depressed from the toilsome road they may be on, take courage, turn your loss into grief, and your grief into beauty!

Maybe some who are quiet are being quiet before something big comes

[lovejoy]

Tempting to look outside ourselves for something to blame.

It is neither some intrinsic quality of this forum, nor is it human nature, what little anyone here knows of that from the vastly skewed sample of a human lifetime in progress.

Some are here to change the foundations of human organization by helping to create and promote the tools of liberation. 
Some people are here because they perceive an opportunity for personal gain. 

These two motivations aren't mutually exclusive, but when the latter drives us forward, and the scales tip towards only thinking of the self, this is what the forum begins to look like.

Attached to the desire for financial independence we lose sight of our innate, natural independence; and the earth upon which it all rests, which is the only true wealth we will ever have.  We know full well that when we die, we all will have the same amount of money.

Here today, are the lamentations of those who are suffering, and angry.  Their clamor is infectious, and the dreamers and builders may go silent in reflection, and continue on quietly building their dreams, but we are all poorer for this silence.

To those who are tired and depressed from the toilsome road they may be on, take courage, turn your loss into grief, and your grief into beauty!

"What makes the desert beautiful is that somewhere it hides a well." -Antoine de Saint-Exupery

[unreadPostsSinceLastVisit]

We have this conversation every month.

Meanwhile other communities just air their bullshit for all without even having conversations like this.

I take that as a good sign.

[gamey]

The issue isn't this forum, the issue is that there should be a specific site separate from this forum that is maintained by someone specifically to address issues/updates.

edit - "should be" but that doesn't mean there are resources to do it without someone being altruistic.

[chryspano]

Yes, lets fix this "problematic" forum, lets integrate a similar solution to this https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dz4HEEiJuGo Come on guys, we only need a worker proposal!



And always remember...

I do not agree with what you say, but I will defend to the death your right to say it *

* Some exceptions apply here
e.g when "potential investors" are involed or when I generally think that your speach is "shitty"
in the above cases you will have to STFU or go away.

[roadscape]

Agree with this. What we're seeing here is human nature. Ain't no changing that.

Strongly disagree.. the crypto community is all about change.

[lil_jay890]

Whenever there is money involved emotions are going to run high... especially during downturns.  It's been like this for decades on finance forums, and I doubt it will ever change.

This community isn't an aberration.

Agree with this. What we're seeing here is human nature. Ain't no changing that.

I can see by your reply you're not an optimist. Think about the "human nature" attitudes of slavery and women's rights, as just 2 examples of cultural norms that have changed dramatically in relatively short period of time. Granted I'm speaking of the culture in USA, obviously there are plenty of people elsewhere who treat women like property etc.

But those are huge cultural shifts. If you accept violence and aggreesion is a characteristic that cannot change, of course it never will.

As Stan is fond of saying, "You need to think bigger Pinky".

Money is a much different animal than womens rights and slavery.  Money taps into each persons brain as it is a measure of productivity, time and self worth.  When someone loses money it sets of a trigger that they have wasted their time. That their time spent earning that money is gone and they will never get it back.  It's hard for people to accept a loss, and anger is just one part of that grieving process.

I know we have had this convo about violence and aggression before... I don't think it can be taken out of human nature and you do... Maybe your right, but it may take some genetic engineering to accomplish that.

[kuro112]

One thing i will say to the contrary of OP is that personally ive always used forums for community building... some of the best times ive ever had were spent posting memes or playing a 'what song are you listening to' game on my community forums... I also agree that a certain amount (and sections) should be kept to information that is relevant to the core product, but there's something to be said about building a community around your product and in the end that's why im here, there is a million cryptos (some easier to use than others) but i like the people here

[Thom]

Whenever there is money involved emotions are going to run high... especially during downturns.  It's been like this for decades on finance forums, and I doubt it will ever change.

This community isn't an aberration.

Agree with this. What we're seeing here is human nature. Ain't no changing that.

I can see by your reply you're not an optimist. Think about the "human nature" attitudes of slavery and women's rights, as just 2 examples of cultural norms that have changed dramatically in relatively short period of time. Granted I'm speaking of the culture in USA, obviously there are plenty of people elsewhere who treat women like property etc.

But those are huge cultural shifts. If you accept violence and aggreesion is a characteristic that cannot change, of course it never will.

As Stan is fond of saying, "You need to think bigger Pinky".

[Tuck Fheman]

Agree. Most of you guys are so abusive to each other,  you drive anyone interested away.

Remember that time everyone stopped buying Apple products because Steve Jobs was an abusive asshole?

Yeah, me either. 

Perhaps some of you guys are too soft and can't handle others passion for teh future.

We all weren't born with English Lit degrees (much less the ability to afford one later), so perhaps some of you "educated" people can learn that the rest of us peons who live in the real world react with passion and voice our opinions with no regard to what others think about us.

Just a thought.

[nomoreheroes7]

Whenever there is money involved emotions are going to run high... especially during downturns.  It's been like this for decades on finance forums, and I doubt it will ever change.

This community isn't an aberration.

Agree with this. What we're seeing here is human nature. Ain't no changing that.

[lil_jay890]

Guys,

I'm sick of coming on here and reading negative shit.

I have been actively reading this forum for over a year and its pretty much a bunch of superfluous BS, speculation and conjecture, in my opinion.

I think this forum should be used for 2 things.

1. Technical support
2. Developer updates, which should be at least bi-weekly

All this crap about oh the margin call fucked us, I'm out now, the project is dead, we're below other alt coins... this and that system is not working... not helpful, not needed.

I'd also love to get some clarity on just who is posting on here, eg

Who here is over the age of 30?
Who has a family to support and is taking this seriously?

I for one am both, and I'm not wealthy. I got in to cyrpto with about $600, saw it go way the hell up to about $30k, pulled about $2k out and lost the rest, I'm now all in to BTS and worth about $200.

I'm not bitching on here, I believe in it and I don't want to read about it.

Moderators, can I suggest you have 2 forums... 1 for tech support and relevant update info, 1 for for everything else.

KD

Agree. Most of you guys are so abusive to each other,  you drive anyone interested away.

I said this to Stan a year ago...you guys eat your babies here, and your marketcap, the attitude and overall treatment of us by the crypto community is a reflection of this.

To those that work together as a community and support each other in a positive way, thank you.

To those that spout vitriolic shit, please go away.

Whenever there is money involved emotions are going to run high... especially during downturns.  It's been like this for decades on finance forums, and I doubt it will ever change.

This community isn't an aberration.

[Murderistic]

Guys,

I'm sick of coming on here and reading negative shit.

I have been actively reading this forum for over a year and its pretty much a bunch of superfluous BS, speculation and conjecture, in my opinion.

I think this forum should be used for 2 things.

1. Technical support
2. Developer updates, which should be at least bi-weekly

All this crap about oh the margin call fucked us, I'm out now, the project is dead, we're below other alt coins... this and that system is not working... not helpful, not needed.

I'd also love to get some clarity on just who is posting on here, eg

Who here is over the age of 30?
Who has a family to support and is taking this seriously?

I for one am both, and I'm not wealthy. I got in to cyrpto with about $600, saw it go way the hell up to about $30k, pulled about $2k out and lost the rest, I'm now all in to BTS and worth about $200.

I'm not bitching on here, I believe in it and I don't want to read about it.

Moderators, can I suggest you have 2 forums... 1 for tech support and relevant update info, 1 for for everything else.

KD

Agree. Most of you guys are so abusive to each other,  you drive anyone interested away.

I said this to Stan a year ago...you guys eat your babies here, and your marketcap, the attitude and overall treatment of us by the crypto community is a reflection of this.

To those that work together as a community and support each other in a positive way, thank you.

To those that spout vitriolic shit, please go away.

[fuzzy]

I'm sick of coming on here and reading negative shit.

But your OP isn't exactly positive, is it?

As for Technical support you can always limit yourself to this area so you won't be exposed to "negative shit".

As for Developers updates we have Friday mumble hang-outs for that - but I understand it might not be suitable for a wider audience as it requires time on a regular basis.
So I agree - we should also have a publicly available weekly devs update, like MaidSafe does it.

Dont forget that those unable to attend will also get the opportunity to listen to those weekly updates on beyondbitcoin.org

[Ben Mason]

I have been on a few forums, and involved in a few crypto currencies... I know emotions run high, and low, I also realise people are very passionate about it, which is great.

While I would concede that this forum appears to be more "mature" than most, I don't think its working in the best interest of the mass audience/potential investors. Large corporations and/or successful ventures don't allow anything negative to be viewed by their audience. You could argue that this is a free market, open and transparent etc etc... but we want your neighbour, brother, friend to get involved, we want "mass adoption".

Fuzzy, the recent video I viewed (from a link on this forum) where a few guys went across the country interviewing people, including yourself, really blew me away and invigorated my interest in the project.

Some of the posts I read on here make me cringe and ask, what are we doing here?

I think the "brand" and product really needs to be managed better in terms of what is available for the public to read. Sure have back channels for venting, but not out in the open -  this needs mass adoption to be successful, case in point we have an excellent product with global potential, but look where we are in terms of market cap.

Those videos are awesome, they should be front and center, people would rather watch than read... we should have milestones and goals kicked prominently listed. We need to think about marketing more on this forum, as well as the official website, as it is a well known source of information.

As for the responses in terms of "get out now"... you make me smile, what in to the newly minted USD with $20 trillion dollar debt ceiling?! No, you won't get rid of me that easily.

KD, there are negative vibes on this forum but there are also a lot of positive vibes and critical analysis.  The trouble is that we all have our ups and downs and the chances are that someone is always going to be having a down at any one point in time.  What's more, It takes time and effort for anyone new to a forum to get to know it's character, history and participants.  I don't think negativity is a problem, it is actually essential for motivating fresh analysis.  That being said, the greater the degree of understanding and courtesy we can show for one and other, the more efficiently our rational minds can influence a point of discussion or arrive at a constructive outcome.  We are not always going to succeed.....there's just too much passion, but we can make the attempt and in doing so, achieve a higher, more productive standard for communication.

[bitacer]

To the op... You will find this forums mood generally reflects whichever way the price is moving... Fear and greed baby!  Welcome to the bipolar emotional roller coasters that are finance forums... Nothing taps into our emotions like money.

Also remember people feel the pain of loss 7x greater than the joy of a win...

[KD]

I have been on a few forums, and involved in a few crypto currencies... I know emotions run high, and low, I also realise people are very passionate about it, which is great.

While I would concede that this forum appears to be more "mature" than most, I don't think its working in the best interest of the mass audience/potential investors. Large corporations and/or successful ventures don't allow anything negative to be viewed by their audience. You could argue that this is a free market, open and transparent etc etc... but we want your neighbour, brother, friend to get involved, we want "mass adoption".

Fuzzy, the recent video I viewed (from a link on this forum) where a few guys went across the country interviewing people, including yourself, really blew me away and invigorated my interest in the project.

Some of the posts I read on here make me cringe and ask, what are we doing here?

I think the "brand" and product really needs to be managed better in terms of what is available for the public to read. Sure have back channels for venting, but not out in the open -  this needs mass adoption to be successful, case in point we have an excellent product with global potential, but look where we are in terms of market cap.

Those videos are awesome, they should be front and center, people would rather watch than read... we should have milestones and goals kicked prominently listed. We need to think about marketing more on this forum, as well as the official website, as it is a well known source of information.

As for the responses in terms of "get out now"... you make me smile, what in to the newly minted USD with $20 trillion dollar debt ceiling?! No, you won't get rid of me that easily.

[yvv]

I'm not bitching on here, I believe in it and I don't want to read about it.

Yes, you are bitching pretty hard dude. Take it easy.

[cass]

The pillars on what BTS is build on is *freedom of speech* and this community!

[lil_jay890]

To the op... You will find this forums mood generally reflects whichever way the price is moving... Fear and greed baby!  Welcome to the bipolar emotional roller coasters that are finance forums... Nothing taps into our emotions like money.

Also remember people feel the pain of loss 7x greater than the joy of a win...

[fuzzy]

We are working on improving many things about the forums and dposhub is also in the works.  There are many things for many people.

[Tuck Fheman]

Guys, you link to this forum on the Bitshares.org website!

Marketing is not really your forte is it? Prospects only need to read one or 2 post and say, ah yeah probably not for me... in fact, yes this post should probably be deleted. I will delete at the end of the day, so a few people get the message.

I have to assume this is the only cryptocurrency forum you've ever visited, because it's not different from any other, except that it's more mature than most.

With your logic, Bitcoin doesn't stand a chance (because BTT).

So why are you here again?

Get out while you can! Sell all teh BitShares!

If you don't sell to me at this ridiculously low price I swear I'm going to meme the shit out of this forum tonight!!!   

[inarizushi]

I'm 47. I have two teenagers, a house, a dog, and a wonderful wife. I lost 25 BTC today, and except my losses like an adult. I don't blame anybody... maybe you should do the same instead of acting like a whining little bitch. By far the most immature post I have read in the past year.

I didn't lose anything today. In fact I haven't lost anything in months... whining little bitch, BTC... are you in the right forum? This is BTS, correct?

You act like a whining little bitch posting negative stuff, bravo for your antimeta thread of the day award.

[canucklehead]

I was long BTS... hence the BTC loss. Pretty sure 99.99% of the people reading that would understand. What else don't you understand?

[konelectric]

For the people that truly believe in this project, the negative shit bounces off then and sticks to someone else.   

[KD]

I'm 47. I have two teenagers, a house, a dog, and a wonderful wife. I lost 25 BTC today, and except my losses like an adult. I don't blame anybody... maybe you should do the same instead of acting like a whining little bitch. By far the most immature post I have read in the past year.

I didn't lose anything today. In fact I haven't lost anything in months... whining little bitch, BTC... are you in the right forum? This is BTS, correct?

[KD]

Guys, you link to this forum on the Bitshares.org website!

Marketing is not really your forte is it? Prospects only need to read one or 2 post and say, ah yeah probably not for me... in fact, yes this post should probably be deleted. I will delete at the end of the day, so a few people get the message.

[jakub]

I'm sick of coming on here and reading negative shit.

But your OP isn't exactly positive, is it?

As for Technical support you can always limit yourself to this area so you won't be exposed to "negative shit".

As for Developers updates we have Friday mumble hang-outs for that - but I understand it might not be suitable for a wider audience as it requires time on a regular basis.
So I agree - we should also have a publicly available weekly devs update, like MaidSafe does it.

[canucklehead]

I'm 47. I have two teenagers, a house, a dog, and a wonderful wife. I lost 25 BTC today, and accept my losses like an adult. I don't blame anybody... maybe you should do the same instead of acting like a whining little bitch. By far the most immature post I have read in the past year.

[KD]

$600
$30k
$2k
$200.

The only thing you want is fiat currency.

Cash out and be done with us! 

I'm sure CNBC has a forum for you.

Actually gold/silver...and you're preaching to the converted. The point, if you re-read it is all the negative crap posted on here, I only put some figures down to illustrate I have lost money too. As for the "tiny amount" comment, how much of your actual income to you invest, from trading time for money?

[Pheonike]

So you complain about hearing negative sh*t by posting negative sh*t. Welcome to club. Now you know how others have been feeling all this time. Sometimes ppl need to vent like you just did, so in your world we should ban you for it. People forgot that the one's that vent the most are usually the ones that care the most about the project. I've supporting this sine protoshares so I know the frustrations. There have obvious mistakes and un-obvious breakthroughs with this project.

[lzr1900]

with this tiny amount,of course you don't care the price.

[Tuck Fheman]

$600
$30k
$2k
$200.

The only thing you want is fiat currency.

Cash out and be done with us! 

I'm sure CNBC has a forum for you.

[KD]

Guys,

I'm sick of coming on here and reading negative shit.

I have been actively reading this forum for over a year and its pretty much a bunch of superfluous BS, speculation and conjecture, in my opinion.

I think this forum should be used for 2 things.

1. Technical support
2. Developer updates, which should be at least bi-weekly

All this crap about oh the margin call fucked us, I'm out now, the project is dead, we're below other alt coins... this and that system is not working... not helpful, not needed.

I'd also love to get some clarity on just who is posting on here, eg

Who here is over the age of 30?
Who has a family to support and is taking this seriously?

I for one am both, and I'm not wealthy. I got in to cyrpto with about $600, saw it go way the hell up to about $30k, pulled about $2k out and lost the rest, I'm now all in to BTS and worth about $200.

I'm not bitching on here, I believe in it and I don't want to read about it.

Moderators, can I suggest you have 2 forums... 1 for tech support and relevant update info, 1 for for everything else.

KD