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They honor the socl consensus .. so they deserve our support ..They will get my support ..
The closer you group the sparkles, the cooler it looks:Organized centralization looks cool, random decentralization is boring.
Quote from: sparkles on November 28, 2014, 08:51:24 pmFYI, real mining for Sparkle is live now on the test network. Test blocks will be honored! Awesome! Congrats.Sent from my SM-G900T using Tapatalk
FYI, real mining for Sparkle is live now on the test network. Test blocks will be honored!
Thanks for giving the PTS back, nobody put a gun to your head for you to do that. You could have just as easily dumped them on the open market, bought The Bitmobile and went on a marketing tour to promote your latest BitSparkle, and it all would have been perfectly legal.
Quote from: BTSTV on November 28, 2014, 05:59:12 pmThe problem is withdrawing them back to your PTS wallet, right now I think it's about a block a day!Where is the new PTS being discussed?
The problem is withdrawing them back to your PTS wallet, right now I think it's about a block a day!
Using the Nov 5th snapshot for something new like Sparkles has the following bad consequences:Everybody who sold PTS to somebody else after the 5th gets your new shareseven though they sold their rights to them, andeverybody who bought PTS in good faith for rights to those shares is cheated.PTS has no trading value if developers don't honor the current owners at the time a new genesis block is defined.This is particularly bad right now, since we recently returned PTS to their donors.If you use Nov 5th, Invictus gets Sparkle shares instead of all those loyal supporters you are seeking.Think of the howls of protest when that gets out!
Quote from: Stan on November 28, 2014, 06:07:29 pmsince we recently returned PTS to their donors.If you use Nov 5th, Invictus gets Sparkle shares instead of all those loyal supporters you are seeking.Think of the howls of protest when that gets out!Actually, you deserve the sparkles more than we do, so fair is fairYou guys invented Sparkle after all
since we recently returned PTS to their donors.If you use Nov 5th, Invictus gets Sparkle shares instead of all those loyal supporters you are seeking.Think of the howls of protest when that gets out!
Quote from: toast on November 28, 2014, 05:45:31 pmQuote from: sparkles on November 28, 2014, 05:44:24 pmPeople have asked me to announce a snapshot date for PTS other than November 5th. I cannot find a snapshot generator that use to be hosted at genesis.bitshares.org so can someone point me to the new PTS forum so that I can ask them to produce the snapshot for me?I will do the snapshot on December 14th, the anniversary of the American Revolution:QuoteThe first military encounter of the American Revolution occurred, when on the report of news carried by Paul Revere that the British intended to station a garrison at Portsmouth, New Hampshire; Major John Sullivan led a band of militia to Fort William and Mary, broke into its arsenal, and carried off arms and ammunition, 1774If I cannot get a snapshot produced by the PTS community then I will use Nov 5th PTS snapshot.I will generate the BTS snapshot on December 14th. AGS is what it is.Help spread the word! http://ptsags.quisquis.de/Great!
Quote from: sparkles on November 28, 2014, 05:44:24 pmPeople have asked me to announce a snapshot date for PTS other than November 5th. I cannot find a snapshot generator that use to be hosted at genesis.bitshares.org so can someone point me to the new PTS forum so that I can ask them to produce the snapshot for me?I will do the snapshot on December 14th, the anniversary of the American Revolution:QuoteThe first military encounter of the American Revolution occurred, when on the report of news carried by Paul Revere that the British intended to station a garrison at Portsmouth, New Hampshire; Major John Sullivan led a band of militia to Fort William and Mary, broke into its arsenal, and carried off arms and ammunition, 1774If I cannot get a snapshot produced by the PTS community then I will use Nov 5th PTS snapshot.I will generate the BTS snapshot on December 14th. AGS is what it is.Help spread the word! http://ptsags.quisquis.de/
People have asked me to announce a snapshot date for PTS other than November 5th. I cannot find a snapshot generator that use to be hosted at genesis.bitshares.org so can someone point me to the new PTS forum so that I can ask them to produce the snapshot for me?I will do the snapshot on December 14th, the anniversary of the American Revolution:QuoteThe first military encounter of the American Revolution occurred, when on the report of news carried by Paul Revere that the British intended to station a garrison at Portsmouth, New Hampshire; Major John Sullivan led a band of militia to Fort William and Mary, broke into its arsenal, and carried off arms and ammunition, 1774If I cannot get a snapshot produced by the PTS community then I will use Nov 5th PTS snapshot.I will generate the BTS snapshot on December 14th. AGS is what it is.Help spread the word!
The first military encounter of the American Revolution occurred, when on the report of news carried by Paul Revere that the British intended to station a garrison at Portsmouth, New Hampshire; Major John Sullivan led a band of militia to Fort William and Mary, broke into its arsenal, and carried off arms and ammunition, 1774
https://bitsharestalk.org/index.php?board=1.0Quote from: onceuponatime on November 25, 2014, 06:35:03 pm81655 is the present block count. It is MANY hours between blocks because very few people seem to be mining PTS at present.I'm at 81660 now, not sure if that is current though.
81655 is the present block count. It is MANY hours between blocks because very few people seem to be mining PTS at present.
QuotePublic Good - a commodity or service that is provided without profit to all members of a society, either by the government or a private individual or organization.I think your definition of Public Good is rather broad to have any meaning what so ever. Gold is not a public good, it is owned by one person at a time. To claim "the value of gold" is a public good would apply to all goods so as to make your definition meaningless.
Public Good - a commodity or service that is provided without profit to all members of a society, either by the government or a private individual or organization.
When I say it is statist I do so because the "public good" argument is used to justify government control over every single "public good" industry. So clearly they want to define it as broadly as possible. They include everything from Roads, to Education, to Healthcare, to Money, to Police.The Public Good argument is so broad that it consumes over 50% of the US economy as measured by Public Spending. So when you claim BTC is a Public Good and that mining makes good Public Goods when in reality BTC is a private currency and mining is a private enterprise it shows a huge logical inconsistency which needs to be resolved.
Public good it statist think. Economy always matters. There are many fallacies in your post. Proof of waste does not makes coins scarce. The protocol does. In fact proof of waste makes coins more abundant than necessary by diluting to pay for the waste.
But like I said we will agree to disagree and support the sparkle experiment. Obviously people who think like you will value sparkle more than bts.
Quote from: inarizushi on November 27, 2014, 10:37:56 pmQuote from: mf-tzo on November 27, 2014, 10:30:23 pmAnything that honors AGS/PTS/BTS will always have my support and I will never dump.Anyhting that honors DOGE,BTC etc no matter how promising it is ...no support sorry.. to sparklesThat's cult mentality. If someone respects the social consensus, no need of critical thinking anymore ? Even if it's someone that never delivers anything, full support accorded ?I hold BitShares because it's the best product out there, and because I believe that mining is absurd. And BitShares is slowly abandoning the argument "mining is absurd" because now it offends sparklers. That's a big shot in our foot.No, I am not abandoning the idea that mining is absurd. It is clearly absurd!
Quote from: mf-tzo on November 27, 2014, 10:30:23 pmAnything that honors AGS/PTS/BTS will always have my support and I will never dump.Anyhting that honors DOGE,BTC etc no matter how promising it is ...no support sorry.. to sparklesThat's cult mentality. If someone respects the social consensus, no need of critical thinking anymore ? Even if it's someone that never delivers anything, full support accorded ?I hold BitShares because it's the best product out there, and because I believe that mining is absurd. And BitShares is slowly abandoning the argument "mining is absurd" because now it offends sparklers. That's a big shot in our foot.
Anything that honors AGS/PTS/BTS will always have my support and I will never dump.Anyhting that honors DOGE,BTC etc no matter how promising it is ...no support sorry.. to sparkles
Quote from: inarizushi on November 27, 2014, 06:51:21 pmQuote from: Vizzini on November 27, 2014, 06:49:50 pmJust withhold your precious bodily fluids. Whatever you do, don't hand those over!LOL. I'd definitively buy Larimer spermCoins (I guess that's rude, sorry ! But those genes need to spread !)I'd guess that's an inside joke, based on BM's title for this thread. The movie was "Dr. Strangelove or How I Learned to Stop Worrying and Love the Bomb". If you haven't seen it, do. The crazed general in the movie is concerned with retaining his precious bodily fluids, amongst other obsessions.
Quote from: Vizzini on November 27, 2014, 06:49:50 pmJust withhold your precious bodily fluids. Whatever you do, don't hand those over!LOL. I'd definitively buy Larimer spermCoins (I guess that's rude, sorry ! But those genes need to spread !)
Just withhold your precious bodily fluids. Whatever you do, don't hand those over!
Thoughts?
My original objection was that Sparkle was trying to poach the already very limited developer and other talent away from BitShares to his own project and doing so on our forum at our expense. And diluting our efforts doing so for a doomed (POW) project (and diluting our "Proof of Waste" meme).However, your post has gone a long way to mitigating my concerns. Thank you.
Mining has been approved by governments where as delegate positions are less clear. Having a version of BitShares based upon mining helps us achieve our real goals of a long-lasting solution by having some redundancy. So rather than compete with Sparkle we should attempt to give it support and respect and welcome every Sparkle user to our forums and teach them in a friendly way the benefits of DPOS over POW without deriding Sparkle. Lets have a unified community built around extending the philosophy of freedom first and not divide ourselves on religious divides such as POW.