you guys rock! :)
Moonstone.io is currently being translated to Mandarin Chinese. The video is already available with Mandarin subtitles.Need assistance with German translation?
when can release the beta version?Version 0.9 or 1.0 will be tentatively released 30 days after the fundraiser starts. So about May 7th.
Interesting idea, we haven't thought about that. We can add color switching to the V2 backlog.
I know this is not critical, will there be options to change the color scheme like light/dark?
Interesting idea, we haven't thought about that. We can add color switching to the V2 backlog.
I know this is not critical, will there be options to change the color scheme like light/dark?
We are proud to announce that we will be integrating metaexchange natively with the Moonstone wallet. This means that you will be able to exchange BitShares and related UIAs within the wallet with BTC.Is this going to be "smart wallet" that Max/bitmarket has been talking about?
Multisig support is very important to me.
Can you also do what Airbitz does for multi-factor authentication?
http://cointelegraph.com/news/113739/airbitz-invents-first-one-touch-2-factor-authentication-for-mobile-wallet
QuoteWe are proud to announce that we will be integrating metaexchange natively with the Moonstone wallet. This means that you will be able to exchange BitShares and related UIAs within the wallet with BTC.Is this going to be "smart wallet" that Max/bitmarket has been talking about?
Have you announced in bitcointalk.org, there are more viewers
Multisig support depends on the blockchain level implementation. Because we have built our own RPC wrapper and deserlializer we might need to wait for the core Bitshares team to build an example so we can do our own version. Or we go ahead and build it for V2 or 3.Check this out:
Multisig support depends on the blockchain level implementation. Because we have built our own RPC wrapper and deserlializer we might need to wait for the core Bitshares team to build an example so we can do our own version. Or we go ahead and build it for V2 or 3.Check this out:
https://github.com/BitShares/bitshares/blob/develop/docs/multisig.md
On first sight the idea sounds awesome ..Multisig support depends on the blockchain level implementation. Because we have built our own RPC wrapper and deserlializer we might need to wait for the core Bitshares team to build an example so we can do our own version. Or we go ahead and build it for V2 or 3.Check this out:
https://github.com/BitShares/bitshares/blob/develop/docs/multisig.md
Very cool. Thanks for the link!
Do you have any opinion on this setup for HD wallet and Schamir's secret setup? http://zeropass.io/schematics
On first sight the idea sounds awesome ..Multisig support depends on the blockchain level implementation. Because we have built our own RPC wrapper and deserlializer we might need to wait for the core Bitshares team to build an example so we can do our own version. Or we go ahead and build it for V2 or 3.Check this out:
https://github.com/BitShares/bitshares/blob/develop/docs/multisig.md
Very cool. Thanks for the link!
Do you have any opinion on this setup for HD wallet and Schamir's secret setup? http://zeropass.io/schematics
I am not yet sure how they distinguish shamir secret sharing from multisig .. they are different in that you need all wif keys in plain text to recover from shamir
while you can also transfer funds with multi-sig keeping both 'parts' secret ...
I will read into their proposal .. but it sounds very interesting .. Thanks for pointing it out to me!
On first sight the idea sounds awesome ..Multisig support depends on the blockchain level implementation. Because we have built our own RPC wrapper and deserlializer we might need to wait for the core Bitshares team to build an example so we can do our own version. Or we go ahead and build it for V2 or 3.Check this out:
https://github.com/BitShares/bitshares/blob/develop/docs/multisig.md
Very cool. Thanks for the link!
Do you have any opinion on this setup for HD wallet and Schamir's secret setup? http://zeropass.io/schematics
I am not yet sure how they distinguish shamir secret sharing from multisig .. they are different in that you need all wif keys in plain text to recover from shamir
while you can also transfer funds with multi-sig keeping both 'parts' secret ...
I will read into their proposal .. but it sounds very interesting .. Thanks for pointing it out to me!
Looking forward to your thoughts xeroc!
Password/key gets paste-ed into desired field, and erased immediately after. It does not stay stored locally in any way, thus ensuring minimum possible exposure of the original password/key.I am not sure if they understand what they are writing, but it seems they don't care that once your derive your key via SSS you will have to take a new key .. if SSS is applied correctly, the private key should never be used again once derived from SSS's components .. hence, encrypted stuff has to be re-encrypted.
QuoteWe are proud to announce that we will be integrating metaexchange natively with the Moonstone wallet. This means that you will be able to exchange BitShares and related UIAs within the wallet with BTC.Is this going to be "smart wallet" that Max/bitmarket has been talking about?
If I am not mistaken the smartwallet proposal includes automatic trading on your behalf. Things like that won;t be possible until V2 with the extension SDK. Then it will be possible to have a wallet daemon running on your computer or a remote server executing trades for you aromatically. Till then this is a simple wallet which awaits your commands.
it is better that user can define. shortcut of. regulary comand in menu &share the option fileI do not think so. we should make a tool for average people. once we get it people will come later.
can i ask a question?
how you profit form provide the service. people who join your crowd-fund will be interested in it.
Moonstone.io is currently being translated to Mandarin Chinese. The video is already available with Mandarin subtitles.Need assistance with German translation?
Are there any UI prototypes/demos available of moonstone? Would be great to see some samples of the dev progress so far!
Moonstone (https://moonstone.io/) development is continuing in great steps.We will be presenting the frontend for the first time at the Texas Bitcoin Conference March 28th. You'll be able to see the initial screenshots in our upcoming bitshares.tv video interview (thanks Max!).
Moonstone (https://moonstone.io/) development is continuing in great steps.We will be presenting the frontend for the first time at the Texas Bitcoin Conference March 28th. You'll be able to see the initial screenshots in our upcoming bitshares.tv video interview (thanks Max!).
Why don't you go fishing? Rare holidayMoonstone (https://moonstone.io/) development is continuing in great steps.We will be presenting the frontend for the first time at the Texas Bitcoin Conference March 28th. You'll be able to see the initial screenshots in our upcoming bitshares.tv video interview (thanks Max!).
+5% and +5%
Taulant, your comments on the mumble today were awesome too, great work guys!!!!!!! :)
Saturday 28.03.2015 Update
Dite, one of our team members is with the Music/Peertracks team at the Texas Bitcoin Conference.
You can now watch the initial UI/UX of the Moonstone wallet on YouTube (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j0FU0OyaB94&feature=youtu.be)! This is an earlier version which we deemed stable for presentation purposes. The market interface will be presented in a more lengthy video in 1-2 weeks as it requires some more polishing.
Saturday 28.03.2015 Update
Dite, one of our team members is with the Music/Peertracks team at the Texas Bitcoin Conference.
You can now watch the initial UI/UX of the Moonstone wallet on YouTube (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j0FU0OyaB94&feature=youtu.be)! This is an earlier version which we deemed stable for presentation purposes. The market interface will be presented in a more lengthy video in 1-2 weeks as it requires some more polishing.
Very nice! :)
Saturday 28.03.2015 Update
Dite, one of our team members is with the Music/Peertracks team at the Texas Bitcoin Conference.
You can now watch the initial UI/UX of the Moonstone wallet on YouTube (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j0FU0OyaB94&feature=youtu.be)! This is an earlier version which we deemed stable for presentation purposes. The market interface will be presented in a more lengthy video in 1-2 weeks as it requires some more polishing.
Very nice! :)
+5% Looks great!!!
+5% awesome!Saturday 28.03.2015 Update
Dite, one of our team members is with the Music/Peertracks team at the Texas Bitcoin Conference.
You can now watch the initial UI/UX of the Moonstone wallet on YouTube (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j0FU0OyaB94&feature=youtu.be)! This is an earlier version which we deemed stable for presentation purposes. The market interface will be presented in a more lengthy video in 1-2 weeks as it requires some more polishing.
Very nice! :)
+5% Looks great!!!
+5%
1.0 isnt going to be some magical fix.
Back last winter, we had been told that there were fiat onramps and corresponding marketing campaign coming, and that these were just waiting on a 1.0 release. That has since been revealed to be not true at all, and was likely just a cover by Brian Page for why he didnt accomplish anything. ("Oh yeah, I'm totally working on things! As soon as you guys get 1.0 released its ready to launch").
So don't expect 1.0 to do anything magical to the price. Moonstone might do some good however.
That is because bitAssets have a chicken and egg problem: They need high liquidity to attract liquidity.
However, IOUs/UIAs don't have that problem and it is obvious that there is a huge unmet market out there of people and companies who want to have a combined, automated, and secure order book like that (BitShares). This is why we position Moonstone not primarily as a bitAsset wallet but as a wallet where you can manage your IOUs/UIAs.
In the mid-to-long term Moonstone will hopefully start supporting the Bitshares market value by providing the on-blockchain ID verification for third party gateways. That way you can easily sign up to gateways around the world and trade all kinds of stocks/bonds legally. This is definitely part of our plan for 2015.
Good! This is the right direction!
Contrary to what some people believe now I think that 1.0 (though a true 1.0!) is important for market adoption. Potential gateways are hesitant to integrate with unproven software which handles some sort of value exchange. Bitcoin only got away with it because its user base grew faster than the code quality.
As for Moonstone, we think of Bitshares as the potential combined order book and price discovery mechanism for tons of assets which could be issued in the near future via gateways (primarily stocks and bonds, secondarily fiat IOUs). BitAssets, the one feature the core team is currently pushing, won't be in our opinion the main driving factor for some time to come. That is because bitAssets have a chicken and egg problem: They need high liquidity to attract liquidity.
However, IOUs/UIAs don't have that problem and it is obvious that there is a huge unmet market out there of people and companies who want to have a combined, automated, and secure order book like that. This is why we position Moonstone not primarily as a bitAsset wallet but as a wallet where you can manage your IOUs/UIAs.
In the mid-to-long term Moonstone will hopefully start supporting the Bitshares market value by providing the on-blockchain ID verification for third party gateways. That way you can easily sign up to gateways around the world and trade all kinds of stocks/bonds legally. This is definitely part of our plan for 2015.
We're in the final testing phase of our crowdfunding mechanism (Thanks metaexchange!). We would like to ask the community whether you want both a BTC and BTS based fundraiser or a pure BTC fundraiser. Please let us know about your preference and your reasoning!Will moonstone support bit-assets, like bitCNY crowdfunding?
We initially wanted to include both as to increase the total available liquidity for the fundraiser, however, looking at the order books of most of the BTS exchanges out there it seems selling the BTS on the market at market prices (rather than with a trade strategy) could potentially depress the price of BTS even further. This would obviously not be the case for BTC.
Looking forward to your input!
We're in the final testing phase of our crowdfunding mechanism (Thanks metaexchange!). We would like to ask the community whether you want both a BTC and BTS based fundraiser or a pure BTC fundraiser. Please let us know about your preference and your reasoning!
We initially wanted to include both as to increase the total available liquidity for the fundraiser, however, looking at the order books of most of the BTS exchanges out there it seems selling the BTS on the market at market prices (rather than with a trade strategy) could potentially depress the price of BTS even further. This would obviously not be the case for BTC.
Looking forward to your input!
Here is a copy of a PM that I sent to fuzzy:
I would really, really like to see the Moonstone fundraiser be successful.
That having been said, I will say that I am having second thoughts about being a large investor. I am worried about the value of the USD during the time of the repayment period. I think that the US is going to have to do another "quantitative easing" or do something else that will greatly diminish the value of its fiat currency.
Since Moonstone plans to convert any donations, no matter whether BTS, bitUSD, bitGOLD BTC. or whatever, at the time of donation into the fiat dollar equivalent price at that time - and then repay 1.15 times that fiat value - I think the risk to investors is greatly increased. If the fiat dollar value drops by one third, then getting back 1.15 times the dollar value of my donation is not very appealing.
If Moonstone would both accept bitGOLD and repay 1.15 times the bitGOLD investment - that would alleviate my concerns. And they could hold funds in bitGOLD except what they HAD to convert to another form for project purposes as the need arises.
I would like to hear Taulant's input on this fear of mine. Otherwise, I'm afraid my investment will be less than I would hope.
My thoughts:
Don't accept BTS for the reasons you stated.
If you are unwilling to keep bitUSD as bitUSD then don't accept that either.
My thoughts:
Don't accept BTS for the reasons you stated.
If you are unwilling to keep bitUSD as bitUSD then don't accept that either.
this is a fundraiser in the BitShares Community, so we need absolutly bitAssets - who else will accept our solutions? We has to show what we can provide. I am not worried about selling pressure, this would be 130k so under 1 % of the market cap.
In my opinion as more ways are accepted, as more attractive it will be - so accept BTC, BTS and every major bitAsset (USD, CNY, Gold, Silver)
My thoughts:
Don't accept BTS for the reasons you stated.
If you are unwilling to keep bitUSD as bitUSD then don't accept that either.
this is a fundraiser in the BitShares Community, so we need absolutly bitAssets - who else will accept our solutions? We has to show what we can provide. I am not worried about selling pressure, this would be 130k so under 1 % of the market cap.
In my opinion as more ways are accepted, as more attractive it will be - so accept BTC, BTS and every major bitAsset (USD, CNY, Gold, Silver)
But what about return of investment should be 1.15 x (whatever asset used for donation)? Under that scenario I will make a much larger donation.
We're in the final testing phase of our crowdfunding mechanism (Thanks metaexchange!). We would like to ask the community whether you want both a BTC and BTS based fundraiser or a pure BTC fundraiser. Please let us know about your preference and your reasoning!
We initially wanted to include both as to increase the total available liquidity for the fundraiser, however, looking at the order books of most of the BTS exchanges out there it seems selling the BTS on the market at market prices (rather than with a trade strategy) could potentially depress the price of BTS even further. This would obviously not be the case for BTC.
Looking forward to your input!
It would be cool to use BitAssets like BitUSD - In all seriousness it would probably be silly to keep all of the raised funds in BTS or Bitcoin due to the volatility. It's far more important to know the dollar value of funds raised (unless of course you intend to pay everybody with a fixed BTS/BTC amount each month regardless of their exchange rate against the dollar).
Here is a copy of a PM that I sent to fuzzy:
I would really, really like to see the Moonstone fundraiser be successful.
That having been said, I will say that I am having second thoughts about being a large investor. I am worried about the value of the USD during the time of the repayment period. I think that the US is going to have to do another "quantitative easing" or do something else that will greatly diminish the value of its fiat currency.
Since Moonstone plans to convert any donations, no matter whether BTS, bitUSD, bitGOLD BTC. or whatever, at the time of donation into the fiat dollar equivalent price at that time - and then repay 1.15 times that fiat value - I think the risk to investors is greatly increased. If the fiat dollar value drops by one third, then getting back 1.15 times the dollar value of my donation is not very appealing.
If Moonstone would both accept bitGOLD and repay 1.15 times the bitGOLD investment - that would alleviate my concerns. And they could hold funds in bitGOLD except what they HAD to convert to another form for project purposes as the need arises.
I would like to hear Taulant's input on this fear of mine. Otherwise, I'm afraid my investment will be less than I would hope.
My intuition says: "Use BitAssets!!"
using BitAssets, and NOT converting immediately, will
1) increases BitAssets exposure,
2) increase BitAssets liquidity,
3) increase BitShares marketcap
4) Provides stability for your fund,
5) Provides security for your fund (multi-sig!!)
6) Provides transparency for your fund (public audit!)
Agreed - it is a lot of risk to take on for a potential 15% (which could take a very long time). I'd much rather it if moonstone took an approach of say selling 20% of equity in the company/product at the crowdfunder with no buyback (with an IPO for the equity share on the internal exchange)
My thoughts:
Don't accept BTS for the reasons you stated.
If you are unwilling to keep bitUSD as bitUSD then don't accept that either.
But what about return of investment should be 1.15 x (whatever asset used for donation)? Under that scenario I will make a much larger donation.
i would suggest this. Yes!
bitsapphire wants to race 130k USD - so they could do it 130k worth of USD, they would just convert at the point of donation to the current exchange rate and the donors can be paid in their asset back. But maybe for this proposel they need more then one UIA to track what they collected. moonGold, moonSilver, moonUSD, moonBTC , moonBTS, moonCNY . Sounds nice to me, and i like the idea that the investors will be paid in their invested asset class.
"This could only work in terms of BTS. We have pondered this option for some time. What we could do is issue 1.15 moonstone tokens for every BTS we receive (or BTC in terms of current BTS market price) and then repay directly in terms of BTS from the delegate proceedings. Some really early Bitcoin mining operations used to do this. However this would mean that only people long on BTS would donate."
I will make a substantial donation if it can be in BTS and the return is 1.15 x BTS donated.
If that is not possible, I will still donate - but much less.
We have decided to hold the fundraiser exclusively in BTC, there won't be a BTS or bitAsset option. The reasons are that the liquidity between BTS and BTC is so low that selling 130k USD worth opf BTS into BTC to cash out into fiat would according to our calculations move the market simply too much.
You seem to have a large talented team, good business acumen and can see the potential in what this technology can offer but at the same time you've seen how BitShares has struggled price wise these last 6 months.
Have you ever thought of starting a BitShares competitor instead?
Based on the outcome of the poll we have decided to denominate the buyback in terms of BTS. This means that for every BTC you send in the price will be converted into the equivalent in terms of BTS at the time of donation, and you will receive 1.15 Moonstone tokens for every BTS equivalent you donated.
4. Moonstone is not decentralized. It accesses a full client server which however cannot forge any signatures as the server holds no private keys.
8. If the crowdfunder is not successful, meaning we don't reach our goal of 130,000 USD worth of BTC within the 30 day window, we will proceed to release the frontend under the GPL3 license without releasing the backend. The delegate buyback commences nonetheless and we will buyback the tokens in the same manner. No BTC can be taken back.
One more thing. If we reach our fundraising goal we also pledge that V2 and V3 of the wallet will also be open source MIT licensed, the only potential exception being the ID verification module.
But you will make the hard core BTS believers sell their BTS (like the current sell off by what seems like everybody else is somehow not big enough), so they can provide you with precious BTC...before diluting the shares (with your scores of delegates) for everyone to pay the investors back...
Yes. We intend to add this possibility down the line (V2 or 3).4. Moonstone is not decentralized. It accesses a full client server which however cannot forge any signatures as the server holds no private keys.
Do you intend to eventually allow the client to poll multiple independent servers in future versions so that any one server cannot lie to the client without getting caught?
Yes that would be a shame. We are pretty confident though that we will reach our goal. The community has been responding very positively.8. If the crowdfunder is not successful, meaning we don't reach our goal of 130,000 USD worth of BTC within the 30 day window, we will proceed to release the frontend under the GPL3 license without releasing the backend. The delegate buyback commences nonetheless and we will buyback the tokens in the same manner. No BTC can be taken back.
That seems like such a shame. What if the amount raised in 30 days was 120,000 USD? I'm sure people donating would rather see a cut in the 15% interest and get the MIT license rather than get nothing at all. If the first few months of delegate pay is sold to cover the deficit with interest, the amount of BTS estimated to be collected over the remaining months in the 30 month window can be used to calculate the new (lower) buyback rate.
If you'd like to read up on it here is the official FBP page (http://www.jpaulmorrison.com/fbp/). We are using specifically noflo (http://noflojs.org/). V1 won't be FBP though but V2 and onward will be. We are currently switching the entire team to FBP as by our calculations it will increase our productivity several fold. You can read up on what new technology future we are actively preparing for here (https://medium.com/@itnom/the-best-way-to-predict-the-future-is-to-create-it-6b3251d9e701).One more thing. If we reach our fundraising goal we also pledge that V2 and V3 of the wallet will also be open source MIT licensed, the only potential exception being the ID verification module.
I'm curious regarding how the module system works. I expect to be able to compile (and audit) the client code myself for security reasons. So would these modules be plugins (some of which can be proprietary and pre-compiled) that the open source client can use? If so I would want to make sure that these plugins are in their own secure process sandbox because otherwise you would allow unknown proprietary code to have memory access to the client which they could use to steal private keys.
You can't please everyone.Agreed.
You can't please everyone.Agreed.
You can't please everyone.Agreed.
I am already used to the bits-of-apps-for-hire's arrogance, and so I am not the tiniest bit surprised that he is not trying to please anybody but himself. So, this is not an attempt to change his mind, it is more of an explanation that he fully realizes what he is doing and does it this way only to serve his own interest.
So, if he believed that selling such amount of BTS would not kick the price of BTS way down, he would have taken BTS and sold them himself. But why do it? This would mean accepting BTS at current price and suffering the loss when he himself kicks the price down by selling those BTS. It is much better for him to accept the BTC (and valuate them at equivalent BTS value) at a point when somebody has sold those BTS (for BTC) and by doing so has moved the price of BTS down.... In other words he very well knows what this 'funding' will do to the BTS price and he is doing it in a way he does not suffer from the consequences of his actions....
I'm still curious about the relationship of the Moonstone wallet to Bitshares Music and Peertracks. Apparently it will also be used for that blockchain, so are you essentially asking BTS holders to fund the development of the Music wallet? How come Peertracks/cob aren't funding it?
Also, is this the same wallet you showed us last year, not sure when, in September maybe?
What is the current status of the development, do you have a working implementation or are we only seeing mockups?
I'm still curious about the relationship of the Moonstone wallet to Bitshares Music and Peertracks. Apparently it will also be used for that blockchain, so are you essentially asking BTS holders to fund the development of the Music wallet? How come Peertracks/cob aren't funding it?
Also, is this the same wallet you showed us last year, not sure when, in September maybe?
What is the current status of the development, do you have a working implementation or are we only seeing mockups?
Very good question.
Peertracks is committed to using Moonstone's codebase. Peertracks will contribute to this fundraiser as to offset some of the crowdfunder cost. The specific interface integration needed for Peertracks will be developed later for Peertracks and is not part of this fundraiser. Our plan for Moonstone is for it to connect to multiple blockchains from the same interface and be able to trade between all blockchains' tokens. This will include potentially all DPOS forks and Bitcoin, potentially Ethereum too (in the long run).
The wallet design we showed in September was the first design iteration we had finished. I think this would be a good time to mention what the development/iteration process has been like so far:
- Initial design concepts based on Google's newly released Material Design guidelines. Frontend work on the Angular app with Famo.us. Famo.us made it possible to have a buttery smooth UI for browsers as well as on the phone. The premise is "build it once, it works on all devices like a native app". It worked really nicely but Famo.us was at version 0.2 back then and once they upgraded up to 0.4 we had to abandon our plans as it broke too many things. In this iteration we still used the current wallet RPC interface.
- This is when we started our second iteration of the design with complete overhaul. We put on a second designer and things went a lot faster. We switched from Famo.us to native Angular Material Design frameworks which also helped us a lot. The drawback is of course that for the mobile wallet we'll need to redo it again. We still used the current wallet RPC interface, though now server side as we changed plans for Moonstone to become a light wallet. This is also when we started doing extensive user testing with the half baked interface. We discovered that there would be a 80% drop in likelihood for anybody to use our wallet for every 2 minutes of waiting/loading time (this would include blockchain syncing if this was a full client).
- After wrangling with for over a month with the BithShares RPC interface and trying to get it to be a scalable backend for the light wallet, we decided that the whole current wallet architecture (including the deserializer) was simply not intended for large scale deployment. It was rather build with the ideological backdrop of everybody downloading the whole blockchain. This was when we made the announcements on the forum ans started working on our own RPC interface and deserializer. Right after making the forum announcements we got the client-side universal transaction builder working, though there are still bugs that need to be worked out. We are currently working on the RPC interface/deserializer and the market interface. These two parts are also our two main milestones for the 0.9 release. Once fully tested we will release 1.0 for general use.
What you saw in the demo video all works and is real, however the universal transaction builder needs work and testing as well as the RPC interface/deserializer. The current demo still runs on the current wallet RPC.
It is important to note that we think Moonstone can spur the Startup/project econsystem around BitShares by providing a similar architecture to Bitpay's Bitcore Wallet Suite (http://blog.bitpay.com/2015/03/05/bitcore-wallet.html). That is our intention for our RPC interface. If it works out anything like Bitcore, you'll see many startups use it as the go-to BitShares/DPOS wrapper. Most Bitcoin startups we have worked with have used at least parts of Bitcore, which I think says a lot.
Yes. We intend to add this possibility down the line (V2 or 3).4. Moonstone is not decentralized. It accesses a full client server which however cannot forge any signatures as the server holds no private keys.
Do you intend to eventually allow the client to poll multiple independent servers in future versions so that any one server cannot lie to the client without getting caught?Yes that would be a shame. We are pretty confident though that we will reach our goal. The community has been responding very positively.8. If the crowdfunder is not successful, meaning we don't reach our goal of 130,000 USD worth of BTC within the 30 day window, we will proceed to release the frontend under the GPL3 license without releasing the backend. The delegate buyback commences nonetheless and we will buyback the tokens in the same manner. No BTC can be taken back.
That seems like such a shame. What if the amount raised in 30 days was 120,000 USD? I'm sure people donating would rather see a cut in the 15% interest and get the MIT license rather than get nothing at all. If the first few months of delegate pay is sold to cover the deficit with interest, the amount of BTS estimated to be collected over the remaining months in the 30 month window can be used to calculate the new (lower) buyback rate.
We are aiming to create a market solution for the creation of public goods. Combing a pure charity and for-profit model would in our opinion evolve the system into an unstable equilibrium. We have already plans how to potentially solve this dilemma for future Bitshares related projects but that would require our module based approach to be final and tested. Something which will take several more months.If you'd like to read up on it here is the official FBP page (http://www.jpaulmorrison.com/fbp/). We are using specifically noflo (http://noflojs.org/). V1 won't be FBP though but V2 and onward will be. We are currently switching the entire team to FBP as by our calculations it will increase our productivity several fold. You can read up on what new technology future we are actively preparing for here (https://medium.com/@itnom/the-best-way-to-predict-the-future-is-to-create-it-6b3251d9e701).One more thing. If we reach our fundraising goal we also pledge that V2 and V3 of the wallet will also be open source MIT licensed, the only potential exception being the ID verification module.
I'm curious regarding how the module system works. I expect to be able to compile (and audit) the client code myself for security reasons. So would these modules be plugins (some of which can be proprietary and pre-compiled) that the open source client can use? If so I would want to make sure that these plugins are in their own secure process sandbox because otherwise you would allow unknown proprietary code to have memory access to the client which they could use to steal private keys.
The ID verification module would not be client side, hence no memory access to your local machine.You can't please everyone.Agreed.
I'm sure you are aware of jcalfee's work on Bitshares-JS, do you intend to build on that work at all?
Can we do something like this through Bitshares? https://www.jumpstartfund.com
You can't please everyone.;)
Yeha .. I like that guy alot .. and his code is crystal clear to read ...I'm sure you are aware of jcalfee's work on Bitshares-JS, do you intend to build on that work at all?
We used it as a good starting point. jcalfee also helped us with some explanations from time to time via skype.
The buy-back will take place what period basis, weekly or daily? (or monthly, yearly???)
cool ... yet another nice token on the chain :) +5%
My first donation has 8 bitcoin confirmations - but the funded amount on moonstone.io hasn't budged from $3,797 - 2.92%funded.
I'm not worried - my MOONFUND shares showed up in my wallet after 1 confirmation. Just wondering and wanting to be able to see the progress.
My first donation has 8 bitcoin confirmations - but the funded amount on moonstone.io hasn't budged from $3,797 - 2.92%funded.
I'm not worried - my MOONFUND shares showed up in my wallet after 1 confirmation. Just wondering and wanting to be able to see the progress.
If kind of screenshot, or demo video is provided in pace with the launch, it would be better. People still cannot believe why Moonstone is important and how it is awesome.
If kind of screenshot, or demo video is provided in pace with the launch, it would be better. People still cannot believe why Moonstone is important and how it is awesome.
Great Idea clayop!
I think a row of videos and giving more visual importance to the potential 15% return might be super important.
Anything else we should add or change?
If kind of screenshot, or demo video is provided in pace with the launch, it would be better. People still cannot believe why Moonstone is important and how it is awesome.
Great Idea clayop!
I think a row of videos and giving more visual importance to the potential 15% return might be super important.
Anything else we should add or change?
^ This. No offence, but at this point there's no actual video showing anything that works (as far as I know), and no publicly accessible source code. The more you can show people to convince them it isn't vaporware, the more comfortable they'll be contributing.
If kind of screenshot, or demo video is provided in pace with the launch, it would be better. People still cannot believe why Moonstone is important and how it is awesome.
Great Idea clayop!
I think a row of videos and giving more visual importance to the potential 15% return might be super important.
Anything else we should add or change?
^ This. No offence, but at this point there's no actual video showing anything that works (as far as I know), and no publicly accessible source code. The more you can show people to convince them it isn't vaporware, the more comfortable they'll be contributing.
Have you seen this video ?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j0FU0OyaB94
So what happens if after the moonstone wallet is released, the community doesnt vote in the proposed moonstone delegates?
So what happens if after the moonstone wallet is released, the community doesnt vote in the proposed moonstone delegates?
Trezor compatibility is being tested. Initial tests look promising.you are talking trezor for Bitcoin .. or trezor for BitShares?
If we reach our funding we'll definitely add Trezor compatibility to our milestones!
https://bitsharestalk.org/index.php/topic,15604.0.html
Trezor compatibility is being tested. Initial tests look promising.you are talking trezor for Bitcoin .. or trezor for BitShares?
If we reach our funding we'll definitely add Trezor compatibility to our milestones!
https://bitsharestalk.org/index.php/topic,15604.0.html
It seems that there is such a strong interest to donate BTS rather than BTC our crowdfunder that some people are thinking about buying MOONFUND tokens on the internal exchange straight with BTS. (See this thread https://bitsharestalk.org/index.php/topic,15663.0/topicseen.html)
We're opening therefore a poll to see whether enough people are interested in us putting a sell order of Moonstones at about 0.9-0.92 BTS on the internal exchange. This way almost everybody should be able to participate (though at a slightly lower potential return rate, as we still need to cash out to fiat for operations). We would then also need to update the funds collected on the website manually a few times a day.
Please let us know what you think, and please vote in the poll!
It seems that there is such a strong interest to donate BTS rather than BTC our crowdfunder that some people are thinking about buying MOONFUND tokens on the internal exchange straight with BTS. (See this thread https://bitsharestalk.org/index.php/topic,15663.0/topicseen.html)
We're opening therefore a poll to see whether enough people are interested in us putting a sell order of Moonstones at about 0.9-0.92 BTS on the internal exchange. This way almost everybody should be able to participate (though at a slightly lower potential return rate, as we still need to cash out to fiat for operations). We would then also need to update the funds collected on the website manually a few times a day.
Please let us know what you think, and please vote in the poll!
Where is the poll?
How are you going to exchange to fiat? You'll have to convert to btc then to fiat which will still drive down the price?
^^ This and voted on the poll.Obviously 'yes' of course.How are you going to exchange to fiat? You'll have to convert to btc then to fiat which will still drive down the price?
If he just agrees to spread it out over a longer time period than 30 days then everything is good. I don't see why he would need to change all donations to BTC/fiat right away anyway. His costs are presumably spread out over time.
If he just agrees to spread it out over a longer time period than 30 days then everything is good. I don't see why he would need to change all donations to BTC/fiat right away anyway. His costs are presumably spread out over time.
It seems that there is such a strong interest to donate BTS rather than BTC our crowdfunder that some people are thinking about buying MOONFUND tokens on the internal exchange straight with BTS. (See this thread https://bitsharestalk.org/index.php/topic,15663.0/topicseen.html)
We're opening therefore a poll to see whether enough people are interested in us putting a sell order of Moonstones at about 0.9-0.92 BTS on the internal exchange. This way almost everybody should be able to participate (though at a slightly lower potential return rate, as we still need to cash out to fiat for operations). We would then also need to update the funds collected on the website manually a few times a day.
Please let us know what you think, and please vote in the poll!
Based on everybody's feedback so far we've put together e redesign of our website and upgraded the donation flow.
To make sure everything is working correctly we'll pause the donation drive for a few hours.
In other good news, we'll put up MOONFUND tokens at 0.9 to BTS on the internal exchange today (Sunday).
Thanks everybody for your great feedback! Keep an eye out for some good news!
Nice! Thanks! Why not at 0.85 (15% rate)?Because of the spread when they have to convert towards FIAT ..
0.87 is as close to 15% as it gets (1/0.87 is 14.94%) - What I mean is they never promised 15% discount they promised 15% return.Based on everybody's feedback so far we've put together e redesign of our website and upgraded the donation flow.
To make sure everything is working correctly we'll pause the donation drive for a few hours.
In other good news, we'll put up MOONFUND tokens at 0.9 to BTS on the internal exchange today (Sunday).
Thanks everybody for your great feedback! Keep an eye out for some good news!
Nice! Thanks! Why not at 0.85 (15% rate)?
Right now I see the order at 0.870 BTS
https://bitsharesblocks.com/asset/orderbook?asset=MOONFUND
Based on everybody's feedback so far we've put together e redesign of our website and upgraded the donation flow.
To make sure everything is working correctly we'll pause the donation drive for a few hours.
In other good news, we'll put up MOONFUND tokens at 0.9 to BTS on the internal exchange today (Sunday).
Thanks everybody for your great feedback! Keep an eye out for some good news!
Nice! Thanks! Why not at 0.85 (15% rate)?
Right now I see the order at 0.870 BTS
https://bitsharesblocks.com/asset/orderbook?asset=MOONFUND
0.87 is as close to 15% as it gets (1/0.87 is 14.94%) - What I mean is they never promised 15% discount they promised 15% return.Based on everybody's feedback so far we've put together e redesign of our website and upgraded the donation flow.
To make sure everything is working correctly we'll pause the donation drive for a few hours.
In other good news, we'll put up MOONFUND tokens at 0.9 to BTS on the internal exchange today (Sunday).
Thanks everybody for your great feedback! Keep an eye out for some good news!
Nice! Thanks! Why not at 0.85 (15% rate)?
Right now I see the order at 0.870 BTS
https://bitsharesblocks.com/asset/orderbook?asset=MOONFUND
So, basically they have changed all to what I initially wanted them to do - 1. offer the return in BTS (not USD); 2. Doing their funding in a may that has the least negative effect on the BTS price. (i.e. IOU priced in BTS not in BTC; selling the IOUs in BTC required the sell of BTS first before sponsoring their project, in the most likely cases).
The only questions remaining are: 1. Why the need to start doing it the wrong way and change midway through the process 2.At what time frame they will need to convert to actually fiat (hopefully many months, but pretty likely more than the remaining 27 days) 3.Will they actually meet the 130K USD goal 4. How long its gonna take to repay the amounts collected.
Their FAQ is great!
https://moonstone.io/faq.php
Update+5%!
We just released the update to our fundraiser site https://moonstone.io/. You can now donate to our fundraiser again through our site.
We have also added an FAQ section based on the community's feedback so far here https://moonstone.io/faq.php. We will continue to update the FAQ as things progress.
You can now also buy MOONFUND tokens directly at the full 15% discount from the internal exchange. As of this writing 500k BTS have already been donated. We will update our crowdfunder script accordingly today to reflect the funds collected in terms of BTS too (it currently only reflects BTC collected).
Soon we will put up a Q&A thread on the forum. These questons will then become part of the FAQ on the website and we'll record a video answering all questions.
Thanks everybody for the support! We are on good track!
We just released the update to our fundraiser site https://moonstone.io/. You can now donate to our fundraiser again through our site.
We just released the update to our fundraiser site https://moonstone.io/. You can now donate to our fundraiser again through our site.
Site is down
I wonder why the fundraising counter hasn't changed for quite some time although I bought some today :\I don't think the stats from the internal market are showing up yet. I bought some yesterday.
The crowdfunder bar in https://moonstone.io/ now updates in real time (after the first BTC confirmation), and also takes into account the BTS donations on the internal market.
You can also see more of the Moonstone wallet interface here https://marvelapp.com/a31d7h#3555223 (click around!).
Updates and a newsletter coming soon!
The crowdfunder bar in https://moonstone.io/ now updates in real time (after the first BTC confirmation), and also takes into account the BTS donations on the internal market.
You can also see more of the Moonstone wallet interface here https://marvelapp.com/a31d7h#3555223 (click around!).
Updates and a newsletter coming soon!
The crowdfunder bar in https://moonstone.io/ now updates in real timeExcellent. By the way, the dollar sign should go before the number, for example, $13,000 and not 13,000$. Having it on the wrong side is hurting your professional appearance. :)
The crowdfunder bar in https://moonstone.io/ now updates in real timeExcellent. By the way, the dollar sign should go before the number, for example, $13,000 and not 13,000$. Having it on the wrong side is hurting your professional appearance. :)
we actually write is this way: 13,000$.I should have known. There are so many ways to punctuate money amounts, around the world!
At the current pace it doesn't seem like you will reach your crowdfunding goal... I'm not sure if money commonly flows in to a project near the end of the fund raising term. Would you consider extending the crowdfunding term?
It is on the wrong side if directly below it the $ sign is used on the opposite side.we actually write is this way: 13,000$.I should have known. There are so many ways to punctuate money amounts, around the world!
Do not get me wrong... I love Moonstone (as well as the Moon and The Stones), but just trying to decide on most appropriate trading strategy for my moonfund tokens. And for that I need clarity on the rules.
Remind me again. What is the plan for the Moonfund donors in the unlikely scenario that you do not meet your goal of 130K USD? How if at all do you plan to make such sponsors/donors whole?
Is it again the same principle - try to get N delegates elected and buy the Moonfund token at 1 BTS a piece? Or will those donations be treated as no string attached tips and no attempt will be made to pay them back?
PS
Do not get me wrong... I love Moonstone (as well as the Moon and The Stones), but just trying to decide on most appropriate trading strategy for my moonfund tokens. And for that I need clarity on the rules.
So what does MOONFUND really give you?
Remind me again. What is the plan for the Moonfund donors in the unlikely scenario that you do not meet your goal of 130K USD? How if at all do you plan to make such sponsors/donors whole?
Is it again the same principle - try to get N delegates elected and buy the Moonfund token at 1 BTS a piece? Or will those donations be treated as no string attached tips and no attempt will be made to pay them back?
PS
Do not get me wrong... I love Moonstone (as well as the Moon and The Stones), but just trying to decide on most appropriate trading strategy for my moonfund tokens. And for that I need clarity on the rules.
This so hard. I haven't donated yet because it's unclear to me how this whole thing is going to be handled.
"open source is always better in our opinion"
Community Members: IMHO, this is an opportunity to give proof to your open source philosophy, create a common (community) good, and increase your BTS hoiding by 15%. What's not to like?
Those of you thinking "well, the wallet will be released anyway" are missing a golden opportunity to demonstrate that open source is the future.
"open source is always better in our opinion"
Community Members: IMHO, this is an opportunity to give proof to your open source philosophy, create a common (community) good, and increase your BTS hoiding by 15%. What's not to like?
Those of you thinking "well, the wallet will be released anyway" are missing a golden opportunity to demonstrate that open source is the future.
Xeroc says:
"...this also means there will be no competition to bitUSD .. and that a crosschain capable wallet like moobstone will be desperately needed .. IMHO .. this news should pump their fundraising .. +5%"
https://bitsharestalk.org/index.php/topic,15672.msg201244.html#msg201244
I appreciate the moonstone project a lot and I'm willing to donate.
Here is my feedback regarding the crowdfunding process:
1. It would be good if you placed this valuable link https://marvelapp.com/a31d7h#3555223 (https://marvelapp.com/a31d7h#3555223) in a more exposed place - in my opinion this link is much more informative than the product demo in the form of a mute YouTube video.
2. When I am trying to donate I am asked to supply a password, a new wallet is created and I'm instructed to download it and keep to safe but there is no explicit guide how to use the new wallet. I guess I could figure it out on my own but it would be much better if I didn't have to. What is badly needed is a step by step guide what to do with the new wallet apart from keeping it safe, i.e. how to access the downloaded wallet and see the purchased Moonstone Tokes.
3. Currently the donation mechanism is not working - when I try to donate I get stuck with the message "Loading Bitcoin address" and nothing happens.
I appreciate the moonstone project a lot and I'm willing to donate.
Here is my feedback regarding the crowdfunding process:
1. It would be good if you placed this valuable link https://marvelapp.com/a31d7h#3555223 (https://marvelapp.com/a31d7h#3555223) in a more exposed place - in my opinion this link is much more informative than the product demo in the form of a mute YouTube video.
2. When I am trying to donate I am asked to supply a password, a new wallet is created and I'm instructed to download it and keep to safe but there is no explicit guide how to use the new wallet. I guess I could figure it out on my own but it would be much better if I didn't have to. What is badly needed is a step by step guide what to do with the new wallet apart from keeping it safe, i.e. how to access the downloaded wallet and see the purchased Moonstone Tokes.
3. Currently the donation mechanism is not working - when I try to donate I get stuck with the message "Loading Bitcoin address" and nothing happens.
Thank you for your feedback!
1. For the first suggestion, yes, we could do that! But we are going to release the Demo version of the Moonstone Wallet next week, and that will replace the Marvelapp.
2. After we release the demo version, you will be able to use it, test it, and “play” around with it. As for the “step by step guide”, I don’t think that would be necessary( unless the community wants for it be implemented - after they have used the Moonstone Wallet demo firsthand)
3. We tested the “Donate” button and it’s working fine! If you could take a screenshot of the problem, and send it to us, we would more than appreciate it!
Hopefully we could be of any help to you!
The downloaded JSON file is a wallet on its own. You can import it to your favorite client and the MOONFUNDS will be available to you through that wallet. You can either transfer these assets to your main account or keep them there.
Thanks for the explanation, it seems clear now.+5%
You should definitely add this information to your FAQ (or maybe even directly in Step 2 in your crowdfunding process) because otherwise people might feel confused. In my case I was about to donate but this information gap stopped me from doing so because I felt unsure what was going to happen.
I also can't find a way to donate in bts.
I also can't find a way to donate in bts.
the moonstone team is accepting donations in bts through the internal exchange. Just buy moonfund from them:
https://bitsharesblocks.com/asset/orderbook?asset=MOONFUND
I chose metaexchange and I didn't understand why I needed to create a new wallet on the moonstone.io site just to donate.
You don't need to do that - you can just type in your bitshares account name (on metaexchange.info), pay with BTC and the MOONFUND will be sent directly to your bitshares account.Thanks for that. It is really simple as it should be.
You miss that people may want to join funding that DO NOT have an account yet .. :)You don't need to do that - you can just type in your bitshares account name (on metaexchange.info), pay with BTC and the MOONFUND will be sent directly to your bitshares account.Thanks for that. It is really simple as it should be.
This makes me wonder why this straightforward approach has not been used on moonstone.io (http://moonstone.io). Why all this hassle with creating and downloading a json file and then importing it into a wallet if the same result can be accomplished in one simple metaexchange transaction?
Unless I'm missing something.
That's a good point.You miss that people may want to join funding that DO NOT have an account yet .. :)You don't need to do that - you can just type in your bitshares account name (on metaexchange.info), pay with BTC and the MOONFUND will be sent directly to your bitshares account.Thanks for that. It is really simple as it should be.
This makes me wonder why this straightforward approach has not been used on moonstone.io (http://moonstone.io). Why all this hassle with creating and downloading a json file and then importing it into a wallet if the same result can be accomplished in one simple metaexchange transaction?
Unless I'm missing something.
Btw .. moonstine.io uses metaexchange for this internally
That's a good point.You miss that people may want to join funding that DO NOT have an account yet .. :)You don't need to do that - you can just type in your bitshares account name (on metaexchange.info), pay with BTC and the MOONFUND will be sent directly to your bitshares account.Thanks for that. It is really simple as it should be.
This makes me wonder why this straightforward approach has not been used on moonstone.io (http://moonstone.io). Why all this hassle with creating and downloading a json file and then importing it into a wallet if the same result can be accomplished in one simple metaexchange transaction?
Unless I'm missing something.
Btw .. moonstine.io uses metaexchange for this internally
So on their webpage they should say: "If you already have a BitShares account go to metaexchange where you can buy our tokens with BTC. If you don't - proceed to our crowdfunding gateway and you will be able to import the downloaded the json file into our new wallet once it is released."
(Please note that I'm not complaining, I'm just trying to help them raise the funds.)
We also got some great news!
Factom and bitsapphire teamed up to create an Identity Management System for the Moonstone Wallet.
"Bitsapphire will be creating a new level of KYC for their Moonstone crypto wallet. It will allow users to transfer and trade among Bitcoin, BitAssets, User-Issued Assets, and other tokens. It will be available in the next 6-12 months with customer identification via the Factom protocol."
You can check this link for more information: http://blog.factom.org/post/118735295389/fun-new-things-happening-at-factom
We also got some great news!
Factom and bitsapphire teamed up to create an Identity Management System for the Moonstone Wallet.
"Bitsapphire will be creating a new level of KYC for their Moonstone crypto wallet. It will allow users to transfer and trade among Bitcoin, BitAssets, User-Issued Assets, and other tokens. It will be available in the next 6-12 months with customer identification via the Factom protocol."
You can check this link for more information: http://blog.factom.org/post/118735295389/fun-new-things-happening-at-factom
That is indeed great news...for factom that is.
It was not enough that peertracks are ripping the benefits of moonstone and not paying a dime, but now we have a new project that is milking Bitshares. Very nice thank you!
Do you have other project interested in bitshares money? I am hearing the left arm of factom - mastercoin is not doing so great? Don't they want to milk of BTS as well. Why the wait? Bring them on. I am sure they can think of feature that moonstone can provide for them...all paid using BTS delegate dilution! How can they say 'No'?
We also got some great news!
Factom and bitsapphire teamed up to create an Identity Management System for the Moonstone Wallet.
"Bitsapphire will be creating a new level of KYC for their Moonstone crypto wallet. It will allow users to transfer and trade among Bitcoin, BitAssets, User-Issued Assets, and other tokens. It will be available in the next 6-12 months with customer identification via the Factom protocol."
You can check this link for more information: http://blog.factom.org/post/118735295389/fun-new-things-happening-at-factom
That is indeed great news...for factom that is.
It was not enough that peertracks are ripping the benefits of moonstone and not paying a dime, but now we have a new project that is milking Bitshares. Very nice thank you!
Do you have other project interested in bitshares money? I am hearing the left arm of factom - mastercoin is not doing so great? Don't they want to milk of BTS as well. Why the wait? Bring them on. I am sure they can think of feature that moonstone can provide for them...all paid using BTS delegate dilution! How can they say 'No'?
Indeed. if that depends on the success of the moonstone wallet, why won't those projects fund the $130,000 you need? It's in their best interest to do so.
Might aswell add a powered by BitShares mark on Factom since it's squeezing BTS funds
They are now building an identity management system backed up by Factom’s API for Moonstone.Looks like Bitsapphire has chosen Factom’s technology to enhance the new Moonstone wallet - what's wrong with that? Factom is not a competitor for us.
We also got some great news!
Factom and bitsapphire teamed up to create an Identity Management System for the Moonstone Wallet.
"Bitsapphire will be creating a new level of KYC for their Moonstone crypto wallet. It will allow users to transfer and trade among Bitcoin, BitAssets, User-Issued Assets, and other tokens. It will be available in the next 6-12 months with customer identification via the Factom protocol."
You can check this link for more information: http://blog.factom.org/post/118735295389/fun-new-things-happening-at-factom
That is indeed great news...for factom that is.
It was not enough that peertracks are ripping the benefits of moonstone and not paying a dime, but now we have a new project that is milking Bitshares. Very nice thank you!
Do you have other project interested in bitshares money? I am hearing the left arm of factom - mastercoin is not doing so great? Don't they want to milk of BTS as well. Why the wait? Bring them on. I am sure they can think of feature that moonstone can provide for them...all paid using BTS delegate dilution! How can they say 'No'?
Indeed. if that depends on the success of the moonstone wallet, why won't those projects fund the $130,000 you need? It's in their best interest to do so.
Might aswell add a powered by BitShares mark on Factom since it's squeezing BTS funds
I don't know what this fuss is about. This is what the blog post says:QuoteThey are now building an identity management system backed up by Factom’s API for Moonstone.Looks like Bitsapphire has chosen Factom’s technology to enhance the new Moonstone wallet - what's wrong with that? Factom is not a competitor for us.
I assume that Factom customers will not be using the wallet - but even if they do, it might be beneficial for us in the long term.
And Bitsapphire is not using BTS funds, they are just fund raising using the tools we have created for this purpose: BitShares UIA. Again, what's wrong with that?
(and it just happens that the cause of their fundraising, i.e. their new wallet, might be good for us)
And Bitsapphire is not using BTS funds, they are just fund raising using the tools we have created for this purpose: BitShares UIA. Again, what's wrong with that?
(and it just happens that the cause of their fundraising, i.e. their new wallet, might be good for us)
That is indeed great news...for factom that is.Indeed. if that depends on the success of the moonstone wallet, why won't those projects fund the $130,000 you need? It's in their best interest to do so.
It was not enough that peertracks are ripping the benefits of moonstone and not paying a dime, but now we have a new project that is milking Bitshares.
Might aswell add a powered by BitShares mark on Factom since it's squeezing BTS funds
I don't know what this fuss is about. This is what the blog post says:QuoteThey are now building an identity management system backed up by Factom’s API for Moonstone.Looks like Bitsapphire has chosen Factom’s technology to enhance the new Moonstone wallet - what's wrong with that? Factom is not a competitor for us.
I assume that Factom customers will not be using the wallet - but even if they do, it might be beneficial for us in the long term.
And Bitsapphire is not using BTS funds, they are just fund raising using the tools we have created for this purpose: BitShares UIA. Again, what's wrong with that?
(and it just happens that the cause of their fundraising, i.e. their new wallet, might be good for us)
Last I heard, BitShares is going to support whitelisting for UIAs natively, and BitSapphire wasn't particularly working with the core devs to make anything compatible. Funding, making, and marketing a new wallet that relies on a tangle of other blockchains to support the basic features of our blockchain seems inefficient, at best.
Bitsapphire IS using BTS funds - delegate pay to repay those UIA to be exact!But this only happens if people prefer the Moonstone wallet to the "official" wallet.
I like Paul Snow (Factom), I've had long skype calls with him, he is a brilliant guy. I do want to make sure that we are not opening BitShares up to KYC/AML tyranny though. We really don't need to bridge to the Bitcoin POW blockchain either. The Moonstone footprint will only grow at that point too, not good. I'll have a chat with Taulant about this and report back here...Ken, by cooperating with Moonstone we are not opening BitShares up to KYC/AML tyranny. This will never happen as BM has promised many times that MPA assets will never be changed in this respect.
Bitsapphire IS using BTS funds - delegate pay to repay those UIA to be exact!
Ken, by cooperating with Moonstone we are not opening BitShares up to KYC/AML tyranny. This will never happen as BM has promised many times that MPA assets will never be changed in this respect.
Bitsapphire IS using BTS funds - delegate pay to repay those UIA to be exact!But this only happens if people prefer the Moonstone wallet to the "official" wallet.
My point is this: Bitsapphire can make profit on us only if their wallet turns out to be a valuable contribution to the BitShares ecosystem.
So for me it's a win-win situation and a fair deal offered to us and no information is being hidden from us.
If you don't like it don't use it and you will not pay for it.
It will be nice if you stop putting false statements (as well as random accusations like this (https://bitsharestalk.org/index.php/topic,16303.msg208863.html#msg208863)) in your posts !I had my reasons to think it might be you after reading your list of random accusations.
Stan - Posting pictures of puppies - [approved]At least you now know what it feels like to be randomly accused. But still, if you say it wasn't you I do apologize.
Methodx - Promised great Marketing; Threw some funds in the Deep Web; metaexchange uses the funds as it finds fit till further notice. [edited/ added]
media.bitscape - Mainly spending BTS delegate pay on traveling for fun! [added]
provisional.bitscape - Keeping company of media.bitscape on his vacations! [added]
Whether one likes or uses the wallet is of little consequence, she can end up pay for it regardless!I've tried hard but I don't understand what you are trying to say.
Even worse the shareholder is put up in a position to make moral decision that is not his responsibility - Do I NOT vote for these investor re-paying delegates and say "Sorry guys, you paid for a good product, but I do not like Bitshares being the only one paying for product used by so many others. So, NO you are not being paid back", or do I vote for said delegates and let, what seem every other project, suck money out of BTS?
It will be nice if you stop putting false statements (as well as random accusations like this (https://bitsharestalk.org/index.php/topic,16303.msg208863.html#msg208863)) in your posts !I had my reasons to think it might be you after reading your list of random accusations.Stan - Posting pictures of puppies - [approved]At least you now know what it feels like to be randomly accused. But still, if you say it wasn't you I do apologize.
Methodx - Promised great Marketing; Threw some funds in the Deep Web; metaexchange uses the funds as it finds fit till further notice. [edited/ added]
media.bitscape - Mainly spending BTS delegate pay on traveling for fun! [added]
provisional.bitscape - Keeping company of media.bitscape on his vacations! [added]Whether one likes or uses the wallet is of little consequence, she can end up pay for it regardless!I've tried hard but I don't understand what you are trying to say.
Even worse the shareholder is put up in a position to make moral decision that is not his responsibility - Do I NOT vote for these investor re-paying delegates and say "Sorry guys, you paid for a good product, but I do not like Bitshares being the only one paying for product used by so many others. So, NO you are not being paid back", or do I vote for said delegates and let, what seem every other project, suck money out of BTS?
For the not understanding part - You put several statement regarding the Moonstone that are not true and pump the project using incorrect info!
- "Bitsapphire is not using BTS funds, they are just fund raising using the tools we have created for this purpose: BitShares UIA"
False. Bitsapphire IS using BTS funds - delegate pay to repay those UIA
- "My point is this: Bitsapphire can make profit on us only if their wallet turns out to be a valuable contribution to the BitShares ecosystem"
False - Bitsapphire makes profit if the wallet is funded. Its success is a fact with no consequence to their profit!
- "If you don't like it (the moonstone wallet )don't use it and you will not pay for it"
False - You will pay for it even if you have not touched it or do not like it. Paying for it has nothing to do with using it.
For the not understanding part - You put several statement regarding the Moonstone that are not true and pump the project using incorrect info!
- "Bitsapphire is not using BTS funds, they are just fund raising using the tools we have created for this purpose: BitShares UIA"
False. Bitsapphire IS using BTS funds - delegate pay to repay those UIA
- "My point is this: Bitsapphire can make profit on us only if their wallet turns out to be a valuable contribution to the BitShares ecosystem"
False - Bitsapphire makes profit if the wallet is funded. Its success is a fact with no consequence to their profit!
- "If you don't like it (the moonstone wallet )don't use it and you will not pay for it"
False - You will pay for it even if you have not touched it or do not like it. Paying for it has nothing to do with using it.
Bitsapphire offers us a deal which is clear: "Help us to bear the financial risk of launching the wallet and in return we will offer you (and everybody else) a free license to the code".
They never promised anything more and nothing more is included in the deal.
They have the right to make any business alliance they find suitable for them but during the fundraising they should share this information with us which is what they do.
Will it help us if Peertracks is excluded from making use of the wallet? No.
Will it help us if Factom is excluded from making use of the wallet? No.
Personally I don't care who they partner with. All I care for is if they can deliver a good wallet which has a chance for a mass adoption because this is good for the entire BitShares ecosystem.
- "Bitsapphire is not using BTS funds, they are just fund raising using the tools we have created for this purpose: BitShares UIA"If they had not issued UIA but borrowed fiat funds from a bank instead and then chose to repay the loan using their delegate pay - would you still say Bitsapphire is using BTS funds??
False. Bitsapphire IS using BTS funds - delegate pay to repay those UIA
- "My point is this: Bitsapphire can make profit on us only if their wallet turns out to be a valuable contribution to the BitShares ecosystem"You are right.. assuming that it has cost them just $130,000 to create the wallet. I guess it might have been a bit more than this.
False - Bitsapphire makes profit if the wallet is funded. Its success is a fact with no consequence to their profit!
- "If you don't like it (the moonstone wallet )don't use it and you will not pay for it"You are right.. but the same is true about a dozen other delegates that you find lazy and worthless yet still your transaction fees go to them.
False - You will pay for it even if you have not touched it or do not like it. Paying for it has nothing to do with using it.
- "Bitsapphire is not using BTS funds, they are just fund raising using the tools we have created for this purpose: BitShares UIA"If they had not issued UIA but borrowed fiat funds from a bank instead and then chose to repay the loan using their delegate pay - would you still say Bitsapphire is using BTS funds??
False. Bitsapphire IS using BTS funds - delegate pay to repay those UIA
What they are going to earn through their delegates is THEIR money and not BTS funds any more.
- "My point is this: Bitsapphire can make profit on us only if their wallet turns out to be a valuable contribution to the BitShares ecosystem"You are right.. assuming that it has cost them just $130,000 to create the wallet. I guess it might have been a bit more than this.
False - Bitsapphire makes profit if the wallet is funded. Its success is a fact with no consequence to their profit!- "If you don't like it (the moonstone wallet )don't use it and you will not pay for it"You are right.. but the same is true about a dozen other delegates that you find lazy and worthless yet still your transaction fees go to them.
False - You will pay for it even if you have not touched it or do not like it. Paying for it has nothing to do with using it.
87%+ needed to target...initial 30 days passed... I would be thinking deep and hard why this went that way, instead of sending shills to fight the truth with lies and incorrect statements, but hey it's only me...
Yup, I thought so... And yes I am asking generally the same question - "Why not get your asses elected as delegates and get paid for your work...but 'nooo ' you're too smart for that ...you can come with a better scheme to get your money, and faster at that!"
- "Bitsapphire is not using BTS funds, they are just fund raising using the tools we have created for this purpose: BitShares UIA"If they had not issued UIA but borrowed fiat funds from a bank instead and then chose to repay the loan using their delegate pay - would you still say Bitsapphire is using BTS funds??
False. Bitsapphire IS using BTS funds - delegate pay to repay those UIA
What they are going to earn through their delegates is THEIR money and not BTS funds any more.
No, Bitsapphire already got their money from the IOU investors. Now they are making the shareholders vote delegates to pay the IOU investors. As I said in the other post - convoluted scheme where Bitsapphire get their funds upfront and somebody else is left holding the bag/paying the bill - be it shareholders or IOU investors. They do not care they go their money already.Quote- "My point is this: Bitsapphire can make profit on us only if their wallet turns out to be a valuable contribution to the BitShares ecosystem"You are right.. assuming that it has cost them just $130,000 to create the wallet. I guess it might have been a bit more than this.
False - Bitsapphire makes profit if the wallet is funded. Its success is a fact with no consequence to their profit!- "If you don't like it (the moonstone wallet )don't use it and you will not pay for it"You are right.. but the same is true about a dozen other delegates that you find lazy and worthless yet still your transaction fees go to them.
False - You will pay for it even if you have not touched it or do not like it. Paying for it has nothing to do with using it.
Yup, I thought so... And yes I am asking generally the same question - "Why not get your asses elected as delegates and get paid for your work...but 'nooo ' you're too smart for that ...you can come with a better scheme to get your money, and faster at that!"
PS
and the "I guess it might have been a bit more than this." comment.. I wouldn't have not done it... you are suspected shill as it is, no need to drop insider info to confirm it.
stop spreading false information that Bitsapphire is using or will be using BTS funds.
Your arguments are plain stupid for me.
Is it just me, or does it seem like a lot of forum members have had a particularly sandy crotch the past few days?
Everybody love everybody. :-*
Is it just me, or does it seem like a lot of forum members have had a particularly sandy crotch the past few days?
Everybody love everybody. :-*
I appreciate the moonstone project a lot and I'm willing to donate.
Here is my feedback regarding the crowdfunding process:
1. It would be good if you placed this valuable link https://marvelapp.com/a31d7h#3555223 (https://marvelapp.com/a31d7h#3555223) in a more exposed place - in my opinion this link is much more informative than the product demo in the form of a mute YouTube video.
2. When I am trying to donate I am asked to supply a password, a new wallet is created and I'm instructed to download it and keep to safe but there is no explicit guide how to use the new wallet. I guess I could figure it out on my own but it would be much better if I didn't have to. What is badly needed is a step by step guide what to do with the new wallet apart from keeping it safe, i.e. how to access the downloaded wallet and see the purchased Moonstone Tokes.
3. Currently the donation mechanism is not working - when I try to donate I get stuck with the message "Loading Bitcoin address" and nothing happens.
Thank you for your feedback!
1. For the first suggestion, yes, we could do that! But we are going to release the Demo version of the Moonstone Wallet next week, and that will replace the Marvelapp.
2. After we release the demo version, you will be able to use it, test it, and “play” around with it. As for the “step by step guide”, I don’t think that would be necessary( unless the community wants for it be implemented - after they have used the Moonstone Wallet demo firsthand)
3. We tested the “Donate” button and it’s working fine! If you could take a screenshot of the problem, and send it to us, we would more than appreciate it!
Hopefully we could be of any help to you!
Is it just me, or does it seem like a lot of forum members have had a particularly sandy crotch the past few days?
Everybody love everybody. :-*
LOL - True, people seem particularly irritated these days! :P
I think moonstone can open code or not , it is just his strategy.
hope they change their minds and decide to open source "moonstone" without the need to raise the $120000 first***...
Is it just me, or does it seem like a lot of forum members have had a particularly sandy crotch the past few days?
Everybody love everybody. :-*
LOL - True, people seem particularly irritated these days! :P
Yeah, I'm not sure why. People are really angry this week, lol!
Very nice summary .. thanks for posting
I for one am unhappy that we are paying a full delegate to work for 6.5 hours a month. The thing which really irritated me is that nobody seems to care.I would not be irritated even if that delegate worked 5 minutes a month but still delivered something useful.
Nice summary? All he is trying to do is dress up dilution to pay for stuff which Peertracks should've been paying for. With even you approving, it seems that Moonstone PR is working well; now if only BTS got such good spin doctors.All I am saying is that as long as Peertracks is not our competitor, our business is called BitShares, and not the relationship between Bitsapphire and Peertracks.
Nice summary? All he is trying to do is dress up dilution to pay for stuff which Peertracks should've been paying for. With even you approving, it seems that Moonstone PR is working well; now if only BTS got such good spin doctors.I technically don't care about their relation to peertracks and I don't know about arrangements made between peertracks and bitsapphare .. and I don't need to
But why should we deprive ourself of the benefits it could bring us just to avoid others from benefiting from it?
Because we are haters. We either hate ourselves, or others who succeed. Where have you been?
But why should we deprive ourself of the benefits it could bring us just to avoid others from benefiting from it?
Because we are haters. We either hate ourselves, or others who succeed. That is the only reason to be against such positive goodness for humanity worldwide. Where have you been?
Come on, get busy man, if you work hard enough, then you might actually encourage the Moonstone team to quit and go help some other community!
we are going to release the Demo version of the Moonstone Wallet next week
?we are going to release the Demo version of the Moonstone Wallet next week
hello.Is it release?
Love ya Taulant, but what's going on with Moonstone man?
I really could have used it at tonights BitShares Munich meetup.
Love ya Taulant, but what's going on with Moonstone man?
I really could have used it at tonights BitShares Munich meetup.
Anti-Corruption Tool - Bitsapphire and Factom are working on an anti-corruption tool to manage the land municipal registry databases in Kosovo. They plan to use the Factom API to build a cryptographic record to prove the databases haven’t been corrupted.
KYC Solution - Bitsapphire and Factom are also working on an innovative solution to the “Know Your Customer” problem many banks face. They are now building an identity management system backed up by Factom’s API for Moonstone.
Music Authentication - Bitsapphire will be working with Peertracks to build an external verification system for music. The Factom API will be used to audit and verify content for intellectual property rights.
Factom and Bitsapphire will be working together to build a land registry tool for Kosovo municipalities, KYC Solution for Moonstone wallet, and music authentication for Peertracks. Our wonderful Peter Kirby, President of Factom, recently said, “Bitsapphire is building some of the most innovative solutions to KYC, data protection, and real time auditing on the blockchain. Factom makes it simple for them to create these products without bloating the Bitcoin Blockchain or building a complicated incentive system around a private blockchain.”
Love ya Taulant, but what's going on with Moonstone man?
I really could have used it at tonights BitShares Munich meetup.
He has arrived back from Singapore with much news, catching his breath, and will update us tomorrow (Monday) because Sunday is a slow day on the forums.
it seems we missed the announcement...I guess there are some strategic decisions to be made just now .. considering the upcoming improvements of BitShares
we are going to release the Demo version of the Moonstone Wallet next week, and that will replace the Marvelapp.
Ok, but that's no excuse for not being accountable to their Shareholders.
At least keep us in the loop.
it's better to even post and update if it's not positive or exciting.
I appreciate the moonstone project a lot and I'm willing to donate.
Here is my feedback regarding the crowdfunding process:
1. It would be good if you placed this valuable link https://marvelapp.com/a31d7h#3555223 (https://marvelapp.com/a31d7h#3555223) in a more exposed place - in my opinion this link is much more informative than the product demo in the form of a mute YouTube video.
2. When I am trying to donate I am asked to supply a password, a new wallet is created and I'm instructed to download it and keep to safe but there is no explicit guide how to use the new wallet. I guess I could figure it out on my own but it would be much better if I didn't have to. What is badly needed is a step by step guide what to do with the new wallet apart from keeping it safe, i.e. how to access the downloaded wallet and see the purchased Moonstone Tokes.
3. Currently the donation mechanism is not working - when I try to donate I get stuck with the message "Loading Bitcoin address" and nothing happens.
Thank you for your feedback!
1. For the first suggestion, yes, we could do that! But we are going to release the Demo version of the Moonstone Wallet next week, and that will replace the Marvelapp.
2. After we release the demo version, you will be able to use it, test it, and “play” around with it. As for the “step by step guide”, I don’t think that would be necessary( unless the community wants for it be implemented - after they have used the Moonstone Wallet demo firsthand)
3. We tested the “Donate” button and it’s working fine! If you could take a screenshot of the problem, and send it to us, we would more than appreciate it!
Hopefully we could be of any help to you!
We want to thank Bytemaster for disclosing to us parts of the upcoming Bitshares announcement as it made it possible for us to make an informed decision on how to continue the project and crowdfunder. For everybody else we can say this much: We have experience with quite some blockchain technologies, so we can say without any hesitation that the upcoming announcement is going to be incredible. We are pumped!
I hope with this "big announcment" that we will finally begin to see Bitshares achieve its potential, and that Moonstone will help it take off!
Its pretty much critical at this point that they get this right, and the delivery really does match the hype this time. I don't think the community could survive another disappointment.
Sign up doesn't work!!!Please report the issues via the Google form. We need as much feedback from as many testers on different platforms as possible! The devs get every Google form report directly.
Sign up doesn't work!!!Please report the issues via the Google form. We need as much feedback from as many testers on different platforms as possible! The devs get every Google form report directly.
Why does this page http://app.moonstone.io/#/signup have a circle thing going around beside the enter email?I have same problem
I'm on iPad mini 3
We have experience with quite some blockchain technologies, so we can say without any hesitation that the upcoming announcement is going to be incredible. We are pumped!This!
I set up an account at https://moonstone.io/ for the Moonstone crowdfunding campaign when I donated. Do I use that account info when seting up the wallet at http://app.moonstone.io/This version is for UI/UX testing only. You don't need to import anything. We will send out emails once the final version of Moonstone is ready for regular usage.
Hey Taulant, CoinTelegraph should be contacting you soon... 8)
Yes and we've been discussing the crowdfunder too, not just the wallet.
I wanted to grab as much attention as I could for his crowdfunder.
How will moonstone go with the bitshares 2.0 rules?BM said last night that bitsapphire (moonstone team) were informed 2 weeks ago, and were very happy with it.
Any change?
Not until 2.0 is released will they realize anything from the referHow will moonstone go with the bitshares 2.0 rules?BM said last night that bitsapphire (moonstone team) were informed 2 weeks ago, and were very happy with it.
Any change?
Plus they can now make referral income from new wallet users
Next time do equity crowd-fund with % of referral-profit as dividends. ^^
Like anyone is going to trust their balance to a closed source wallet.
Like anyone is going to trust their balance to a closed source wallet.
The frontend will be licensed GPLv3 which of course is open source. From a light wallet user's perspective (which nearly everyone will be), how the backend is licensed is nearly irrelevant since: 1) the backend cannot get access to their private keys; 2) if they don't control the computers the backend is running on, they have no guarantee the backend servers are running the code they claim to be running even if the backend was open source.
The backend not being open source because the crowdfunding was not fully successful just means that other developers won't be able to take that code base and easily run their own Moonstone wallet compatible services (unless they reimplement the protocol themselves).
Has peertracks donated to moonstone as promised?
I was told back then once the crowdfund ended, it would take more or less a month for the wallet to be released, will we have it by mid July?
Has peertracks donated to moonstone as promised?
I was told back then once the crowdfund ended, it would take more or less a month for the wallet to be released, will we have it by mid July?
Has peertracks donated to moonstone as promised?
No. Peertracks decided to go with an integrated wallet interface instead (build by Bitsapphire). I can't disclose much more than that unfortunately. Nonetheless, Moonstone will work with MUSIC tokens once the chain is online.I was told back then once the crowdfund ended, it would take more or less a month for the wallet to be released, will we have it by mid July?
That's still our plan. Obviously some things have changed due to the Bitshares 2.0 announcement. Our current plan is to release the almost completely functional app within the same timeline as originally announced, and then release the final production ready version with Bitshares 2.0 integration asap. Obviously, the referral program is potentially a game-changer for our business model.
We were able to reach 23,027 USD of our planned 130.000 USD fundraiser goal.
Now we elect a Moonstone "worker" that will sit in the worker que collecting fees, converting them to BitUSD, and paying off the remaining 107,000 ButUSD so the team can release the rest of the code under the MIT license.
(https://moonstone.io/assets/thank-u.png)
We were able to reach 23,027 USD of our planned 130.000 USD fundraiser goal.
Now we elect a Moonstone "worker" that will sit in the worker que collecting fees, converting them to BitUSD, and paying off the remaining 107,000 ButUSD so the team can release the rest of the code under the MIT license.
It is my understandin that they only have to pay off the 23,027 USD that they collected. Since the crowdfunder didn't reach it's objective, the consequence is that the wallet backend will be licensed for anyone who wants it for commercial uses (instead of free to use - which mught have brought in more developers and is why I donated to the project)..
Yeah.. I don't think this is what will happen.We were able to reach 23,027 USD of our planned 130.000 USD fundraiser goal.
Now we elect a Moonstone "worker" that will sit in the worker que collecting fees, converting them to BitUSD, and paying off the remaining 107,000 ButUSD so the team can release the rest of the code under the MIT license.
It is my understandin that they only have to pay off the 23,027 USD that they collected. Since the crowdfunder didn't reach it's objective, the consequence is that the wallet backend will be licensed for anyone who wants it for commercial uses (instead of free to use - which mught have brought in more developers and is why I donated to the project)..
He means that they were $107k short; to get them $107k we should elect a worker so that they can release it open source. That is in addition to the $23k they already collected
Yeah.. I don't think this is what will happen.I don't either, it's hard to sell the ROI on open-sourcing back-ends of platforms.
I remember hearing something about Bitsapphire looking into providing white listing services.
Can anyone point me to information about that.
Nice!Has peertracks donated to moonstone as promised?
No. Peertracks decided to go with an integrated wallet interface instead (build by Bitsapphire). I can't disclose much more than that unfortunately. Nonetheless, Moonstone will work with MUSIC tokens once the chain is online.I was told back then once the crowdfund ended, it would take more or less a month for the wallet to be released, will we have it by mid July?
That's still our plan. Obviously some things have changed due to the Bitshares 2.0 announcement. Our current plan is to release the almost completely functional app within the same timeline as originally announced, and then release the final production ready version with Bitshares 2.0 integration asap. Obviously, the referral program is potentially a game-changer for our business model.
can I still buy MOONFUND in bitshares?Yes you can .. and the network does not distinguish between those then others .. they are all the same .. they just don't count for the moonstone crowdfunding goal
If that's the case then anyone buying would have no agreement of payback like was outlined in the crowdfund.. right?can I still buy MOONFUND in bitshares?Yes you can .. and the network does not distinguish between those then others .. they are all the same .. they just don't count for the moonstone crowdfunding goal
If that's the case then anyone buying would have no agreement of payback like was outlined in the crowdfund.. right?They do!! .. at least it seams that way ... @Taulant is still selling MOONTOKENs and will need to buy them back eventually .. the DEX cannot distinguish between pre- and post-deadline ..
-snap-
What the hell happened to MOONSTONE?!
sign of life
https://twitter.com/MoonstoneWallet/status/704346920370769920
Hello forum members and future Moonstone users.
We would like to invite any one of you that is interested in using Moonstone to become part of the alpha phase.
Just write to us on Skype ID: moonstone.bitsapphire or send us an e-mail at info@moonstone.io, and we'll immediately reply with an invitation link.
Just don't forget to report on any bugs or any inconsistencies that you may stumble upon.
Take a look at the progress we've made with the Moonstone Wallet.Nice video.
The video is from actual working alpha that is currently being tested by the community.
https://youtu.be/O7cY7kcP3lc (https://youtu.be/O7cY7kcP3lc)
I sent a message through the website of
https://bitsapphire.com/contact-us/
"
Hi,
I am harvey from the bitshares community.
In 2015, by participating the crowdfunding of moonstone, which is a project initialized by bitsapphire, I got 1,000,000 moonfund (check my bts account: dragongroup).
Since it was promised that all moonfund will be buyback, I put a sell order of 1,000,000 moonfund in the bitshares exchange (moonfund:bts). Hope the project is going well, and moonfund can be buyback as promised. :)
Regards
Harvey
"
If you participated in the crowdfunding of moonstone, you might also want to leave a message here or the on website of bitsapphire.
More information of bitsapphire can be found by following links:
https://www.facebook.com/bitsapphire
https://twitter.com/bitsapphire
I sent a message through the website of
https://bitsapphire.com/contact-us/
"
Hi,
I am harvey from the bitshares community.
In 2015, by participating the crowdfunding of moonstone, which is a project initialized by bitsapphire, I got 1,000,000 moonfund (check my bts account: dragongroup).
Since it was promised that all moonfund will be buyback, I put a sell order of 1,000,000 moonfund in the bitshares exchange (moonfund:bts). Hope the project is going well, and moonfund can be buyback as promised. :)
Regards
Harvey
"
If you participated in the crowdfunding of moonstone, you might also want to leave a message here or the on website of bitsapphire.
More information of bitsapphire can be found by following links:
https://www.facebook.com/bitsapphire
https://twitter.com/bitsapphire
any update? ;D
I sent a message through the website of
https://bitsapphire.com/contact-us/
"
Hi,
I am harvey from the bitshares community.
In 2015, by participating the crowdfunding of moonstone, which is a project initialized by bitsapphire, I got 1,000,000 moonfund (check my bts account: dragongroup).
Since it was promised that all moonfund will be buyback, I put a sell order of 1,000,000 moonfund in the bitshares exchange (moonfund:bts). Hope the project is going well, and moonfund can be buyback as promised. :)
Regards
Harvey
"
If you participated in the crowdfunding of moonstone, you might also want to leave a message here or the on website of bitsapphire.
More information of bitsapphire can be found by following links:
https://www.facebook.com/bitsapphire
https://twitter.com/bitsapphire
any update? ;D
Have not received any word from Bitsapphire.