https://goo.gl/Go9UwV

Hey guys, I got drawn into a conversation on telegram and wound up revealing some stuff informally.
https://web.telegram.org/#/im?p=@BitSharesDEX
To be fair, I'm dumping the thread here for your reference.

Ugly, I know, but the best I can do.
I'll be publishing this on Steemit in the coming days if you want to wait to be spoon fed.





Tom:
today start of HERO competition?
 and with that... everybody with a smartphone can apparently buy HEROS
 :blush:
 Mass Adaption
 and poloniex traders still wanna SELL LMAO

[6:26:21 PM] BTSWolf:
> Tom
> and with that... everybody with a smartphone can apparently buy
probably not with an iPhone

[6:27:03 PM] Tom:
ah I don't care... Android is fine... everybody has a friend with an android phone nearby
 imagine! LOL these Leaders engageing their folks in buying HEROs (with 5%)  so that they can win the 1 Billion dollar price
 it's a masterplan

[6:28:27 PM] Jonas:
> C Thompson
> Hey guys, the only gay in the room here lol
Why are you not in gaycoin group instead friend

[6:28:37 PM] Tom:
reading the article

[6:29:04 PM] C Thompson:
> Jonas
> Why are you not in gaycoin group instead friend
Not sure lol

[6:29:09 PM] Tom:
really convinced me that this acutally is possible...! 100% growth in a year
 or more

[6:29:25 PM] Jonas:
For bts? Or hero
 28 cents now

[6:29:44 PM] Tom:
for BTS obviously

[6:29:53 PM] Jonas:
Yes I agree

[6:29:57 PM] Tom:
HERO stays put at + 5% per year

[6:30:05 PM] Jonas:
Of course more than 100
 100 is still below 1 dollar

[6:31:30 PM] Dima Ivanov:
> Tom
> really convinced me that this acutally is possible...! 100% grow
1000% in a couple weeks

[6:31:37 PM] Tom:
still misinformed Poloniex Shorters... the don't even know what's going to happen with BTS soon. The Hero competition will make HERO mainstream and BTS to the stella system
 stellar

[6:32:11 PM] Jonas:
> Dima Ivanov
> 1000% in a couple weeks
Ok maybe a bit exaggerated
 100-200 % ok

[6:32:46 PM] Tom:
lol, you guys sound like newbies..
 talking

[6:32:54 PM] Jonas:
Looks like many coins have a hard day
 I am a newbie Tom.

[6:33:13 PM] Tom:
have you guys read Stan's article?

[6:33:19 PM] Dima Ivanov:
> Jonas
> Ok maybe a bit exaggerated
in two weeks it went from .25 CNY to 2.22 CNY... 1000% is was yesterday when it was at 2.5CNY

[6:33:30 PM] Tom:
could someone pin stans article on top please
 never read such an interesting piece in years...

[6:35:13 PM] Jonas:
> Dima Ivanov
> in two weeks it went from .25 CNY to 2.22 CNY... 1000% is was ye
Yes that is 100%. Not 1000

[6:35:32 PM] Dima Ivanov:
> Jonas
> Yes that is 100%. Not 1000
100% would be from .25 to .5, no?

[6:35:36 PM] Tom:
who could pin the article?
 http://www.magcloud.com/browse/issue/1313226

MagCloud
AVANT GARDE Magazine June Issue 2017
AVANT GARDE Magazine June Issue 2017 | Cover and Feature Stan Larimer | Godfather of Steemit and BitShares | Will Bitcoin and Ethereum Survive the HER...
 guys read that please... awesome piece on information

[6:38:18 PM] Jonas:
> Dima Ivanov
> 100% would be from .25 to .5, no?
I don't know

[6:38:45 PM] Dima Ivanov:
> Jonas
> I don't know
100% gain is if the price doubles. 1000% is if it increases 10-fold
[6:41:30 PM] Fab:
http://www.dereferer.org/?https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SMEOKDVXlUo
Trevor Utz joined the group
[6:42:28 PM] Fab:
Blockchain vs. Bullshit: Thoughts on the Future of Money":

[6:45:18 PM] Jonas:
> Dima Ivanov
> 100% gain is if the price doubles. 1000% is if it increases 10-f
Ok let's get 500% up asap

[6:47:56 PM] Josh via @gif:
[GIF]

[6:48:32 PM] Aaron Parker:
Heaps. It's a good word :kissing_heart:

[6:50:09 PM] Jonas:
50 cent or I will fart.
[6:59:56 PM] Prince Radebe:
> Tom
> guys read that please... awesome piece on information
::

[7:01:13 PM] Tom:
it's brilliant
 !!
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[7:12:59 PM] Dolores del Ano:
[GIF]

[7:17:21 PM] K W:
what is all this ruckus about soft fork and hard fork on bitcoin...
 seems like a lot of politics with some guy in china?
[7:17:47 PM] Bart:
> K W
> what is all this ruckus about soft fork and hard fork on bitcoin
some people want bitcoin to be a setllement layer, others a payment tool
 people lign up according to their interests
 I run a bitcoin unlimited node, so on the side of a payment network
[7:18:16 PM] K W:
a settlement layer? whats that mean? like Ripple?
[7:18:29 PM] Bart:
like a ledger, not a currency for 'realtime' payment

[7:19:08 PM] Josh:
Iota is worth more than bitshares and it does not even exist yet
> Bart
> I run a bitcoin unlimited node, so on the side of a payment netw
#bitcoinunchained!
[7:19:38 PM] K W:
so there will be two different bitcoins?
[7:19:44 PM] Bart:
> Josh
> Iota is worth more than bitshares and it does not even exist yet
was that a response to another message?

[7:19:49 PM] Josh:
Three!
[7:19:55 PM] Bart:
> K W
> so there will be two different bitcoins?
probably not
[7:20:00 PM] K W:
is that why bitcoin took a dump?

[7:20:03 PM] Josh:
I just found out about Bitcoin unchained
[7:20:05 PM] Bart:
> Bart
> probably not
just the one shitty one actual people cannot use
[7:20:21 PM] K W:
well im reading on reddit looks like a lot of people are against this Bitmain and Jihan person

[7:20:25 PM] Josh:
It's Bitcoin, bit a regulatory authority has a key they can use to change stuff
 
 Great idea!
[7:20:43 PM] K W:
how could one chinese person cause this much ruckus?
[7:20:57 PM] Bart:
> K W
> well im reading on reddit looks like a lot of people are against
lol ok dude let me save you some time
 /btc is for BU supporters
[7:21:05 PM] K W:
yeah really please, thank you
[7:21:09 PM] Bart:
/bitcoin is for bitcoin core
[7:21:26 PM] K W:
/btc
[7:21:31 PM] Bart:
you wont read negative stuff about their preference on either
[7:21:36 PM] K W:
oops
 ok
[7:21:42 PM] Bart:
> K W
> how could one chinese person cause this much ruckus?
its about miners really
 sorry that should be, it's about the transaction fees really

[7:22:06 PM] Josh:
Aren't the Chinese making a killing rn?
[7:22:08 PM] Bart:
miners don't want to kill their golden goose
[7:22:10 PM] K W:
bitcoin core is the "standard" bitcoin?

[7:22:15 PM] Josh:
Free electricity
[7:22:23 PM] Bart:
well the Dev team that have official commit rights

[7:22:25 PM] Josh:
That's what I heard
[7:22:39 PM] Bart:
but also taken over by corp interests... its a fucked up political situation actually
[7:22:40 PM] K W:
> Josh
> Free electricity
nothing is free in life
 so what the heck is gonna happen on august 1? sounds like something earth shattering by the chatter on reddit
 people have to choose between this uasf and uahf?
[7:23:23 PM] Bart:
well some of them made a deal
 to increase block size a bit
 some people are really against
 same fight
 doesnt seem like august thing is happening

[7:24:09 PM] Josh:
> K W
> nothing is free in life
No the Chinese government builflt hydro electric dams and then Jan a massive surplus of electricity
[7:24:21 PM] K W:
Bitmain says "Representatives of Bitcoin Core declined the invite to attend this meeting." Core was invited then *dis*invited from the meeting. What's the next lie? (self.Bitcoin)

[7:24:26 PM] Josh:
Offered it to industry and the miners moved in
[7:24:28 PM] K W:
PSA: Jihan & Co are the exact corrupt middlemen that Bitcoin is created to cut off. (self.Bitcoin)
 lol

[7:24:32 PM] Josh:
No electricity overhead
[7:24:38 PM] K W:
just pasting a couple threads headlines
[7:24:48 PM] Bart:
> Josh
> No electricity overhead
this is exactly why POW doesnt work
[7:24:52 PM] K W:
its really sounding like some kind of mafia war
[7:24:59 PM] Bart:
what if chinese government shuts down all those miners
> K W
> its really sounding like some kind of mafia war
you dont know the half of it...

[7:25:16 PM] Josh:
> Bart
> this is exactly why POW doesnt work
I mean, is anyone arguing that it does?
[7:25:30 PM] Bart:
> Josh
> I mean, is anyone arguing that it does?
core?

[7:25:34 PM] Josh:
Gridcoin is doing something with pow that is like golem
 Except in golem you have to pay to compute
 And in gridcoin you dont
[7:26:00 PM] K W:
i think it's ridiculous. wasn't bitcoin first started to be decentralized away from banks and governments?
 now it's got its on politics
 its own*

[7:26:18 PM] Josh:
Uses a novel mechaism like steem? Litterally just found this out from the beyond Bitcoin podcast
 There will always be politics
[7:26:40 PM] Bart:
> K W
> its own*
thats what you get when the big money comes in

[7:26:41 PM] Josh:
There is politics in bitshares
[7:26:50 PM] Bart:
people will vote for their own interests
[7:27:00 PM] K W:
well if i was someone against bitcoin i would jump in and say "see kids, this is why you need regulations"
[7:27:07 PM] Bart:
> Josh
> Uses a novel mechaism like steem? Litterally just found this out
POS is the way to go. Ethereum is switching soon

[7:27:17 PM] Josh:
> Bart
> people will vote for their own interests
Steem is trying to align those interests with the health of the network
[7:27:23 PM] Bart:
> K W
> well if i was someone against bitcoin i would jump in and say "s
lol well we have had that debate every time. See also mt gox and so on

[7:27:35 PM] Josh:
Also growing supply allows decentralization of voting tokens
[7:27:55 PM] K W:
this is the war of the future. it's starting
 digital currency war
 wait til russia releases its own
 and singapore is tokenizing their currency too i heard
[7:28:30 PM] Bart:
lol thats never gonna work

[7:28:31 PM] Josh:
> Bart
> POS is the way to go. Ethereum is switching soon
You think they will be able to handle bitshare-like volumes on POS?
[7:28:44 PM] Bart:
> Josh
> You think they will be able to handle bitshare-like volumes on P
no

[7:28:56 PM] Josh:
Me niether
 I hope EOS comes with the solutions to all of ETH's problems
 Would that make ETH implode?
[7:29:49 PM] Bart:
I love Bitshares, its my second biggest holding - but I really do think it could use a little more corporate and a little less community. Sorry if that goes against everything they stand for, lol
[7:30:06 PM] K W:
"Everyone is seeing this as Jihan's words, but I'm almost certain Jihan is just the PRC's mouthpiece. You can't run a business in China without their explicit approval, and something requiring approval of all that subsidized free electricity means they have their fingers deep. Jihan is just the front man so we're thinking he's the bad guy so the people's republic of China don't catch any flack — for them, it's all about "face" or how they appear to the public. You don't need a tinfoil hat to believe China has their claws deep in Bitmain" Just pasting a post from Reddit. it sounds like a frickin Bond movie!!

[7:30:09 PM] Josh:
> Bart
> I love Bitshares, its my second biggest holding - but I really d
What do you mean more corporate?
[7:30:11 PM] Bart:
> Josh
> Would that make ETH implode?
no, lots of great partnerships and a head start

[7:30:17 PM] Jonas:
> Tom
>  http://www.magcloud.com/browse/issue/1313226
Ok will read

[7:30:18 PM] Josh:
We should be doing workers for marketing
[7:30:24 PM] K W:
PRC mouthpiece?? explicit govt approval?? saving face??
 haha
 thats insane
edited
[7:30:35 PM] Josh:
80 million dollars... Could get the HERO on Fox news
 Imagine that
[7:30:38 PM] Bart:
> K W
> PRC mouthpiece?? explicit govt approval?? saving face??
OK dont get your panties in a twist
[7:30:42 PM] K W:
and scary at the same time
> Bart
> OK dont get your panties in a twist
i know, big grain of salt

[7:31:04 PM] Mateusz Kowalewski:
> Bart
> I run a bitcoin unlimited node, so on the side of a payment netw
Is should be both: a payment network with build in setllement layer. I don't think unlimeted is the right way to this goal.
[7:31:09 PM] Bart:
> Bart
> OK dont get your panties in a twist
miners are in china, they need to follow chinese rules. This is not great, but nothing to worry about yet
[7:31:12 PM] K W:
but just thinking about the possibilities is crazy

[7:31:15 PM] Josh:
> Bart
> no, lots of great partnerships and a head start
Yes but if you can't run the software...
 If you load up the truck and it can't move....
 When there is a freight train right here
[7:31:52 PM] K W:
i mean if that is true essentially the chinese government is trying to control their own bitcoin right

Using BitShares to Underwrite Risky Asset Backed Currencies

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"We're effectively going back to Guy Fawkes Day, 2014 -- and switching timelines."

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...and the return of

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I've just discovered that someone has set up a new website registered under invictus-innovations data and stealing content from everywhere.

https://bitshares-mining .com/

Neither Invictus nor I have anything to do with this site nor did we register this domain.

It is prima face a scam.