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Quote from: testz on December 16, 2014, 05:22:05 amQuote from: jwiz168 on December 16, 2014, 12:25:39 amQuote from: infovortice2013 on December 15, 2014, 02:16:52 amsnapshot is done?donehttps://bitsharestalk.org/index.php?topic=12284.0The link refers to the snapshot being taken for PTS ...not for sparkle . This is misleading.PTS-DPOS has snapshot at the same day as Sparkle, so Sparkle will use same data for allocation shares to PTS owners.Hmm from what I have read Sparkle snapshot will not be taken from PTS alone , BTS also has a stake . You are correct when snapshot the same day but allocation is different. Initial supply for sparkle would be 100 Million as compare to DPOS-PTS that has a billion initial supply from their respective snapshots. Refer to sparkle website http://thetruesparkles.wix.com/sparkle#!faq/cyx2.
Quote from: jwiz168 on December 16, 2014, 12:25:39 amQuote from: infovortice2013 on December 15, 2014, 02:16:52 amsnapshot is done?donehttps://bitsharestalk.org/index.php?topic=12284.0The link refers to the snapshot being taken for PTS ...not for sparkle . This is misleading.PTS-DPOS has snapshot at the same day as Sparkle, so Sparkle will use same data for allocation shares to PTS owners.
Quote from: infovortice2013 on December 15, 2014, 02:16:52 amsnapshot is done?donehttps://bitsharestalk.org/index.php?topic=12284.0The link refers to the snapshot being taken for PTS ...not for sparkle . This is misleading.
snapshot is done?donehttps://bitsharestalk.org/index.php?topic=12284.0
Quote from: xeroc on December 14, 2014, 11:26:01 pmQuote from: sparkles on December 14, 2014, 11:15:35 pmActually I said exchange sparks belong to the exchange not to the depositors unless the exchange chooses to do otherwise.... because you cannot force them to do otherwise (read: the "right" thing) Actually as founder I deem the right thing for the exchange to keep them. I want the exchange to have financial incentive to list sparks so they can potentially sell them. I want them to have a stake in the success. I want people to keep funds off of exchanges.
Quote from: sparkles on December 14, 2014, 11:15:35 pmActually I said exchange sparks belong to the exchange not to the depositors unless the exchange chooses to do otherwise.... because you cannot force them to do otherwise (read: the "right" thing)
Actually I said exchange sparks belong to the exchange not to the depositors unless the exchange chooses to do otherwise.
Did they gain 1% on deposit or does that not apply to BTC?
Quote from: Graffenwalder on December 14, 2014, 11:39:10 pmQuote from: sparkles on December 14, 2014, 11:28:22 pmQuote from: xeroc on December 14, 2014, 11:26:01 pmQuote from: sparkles on December 14, 2014, 11:15:35 pmActually I said exchange sparks belong to the exchange not to the depositors unless the exchange chooses to do otherwise.... because you cannot force them to do otherwise (read: the "right" thing) Actually as founder I deem the right thing for the exchange to keep them. I want the exchange to have financial incentive to list sparks so they can potentially sell them. I want them to have a stake in the success. I want people to keep funds off of exchanges. What? That doesn't make any sense.You want exchanges to list sparkle by giving them sparkle. But you do not want people trading sparkle on exchanges?Hm .. i see bter doing this all the time with the 1% withdrawal fee and the 1% extra on BTS deposits .. basically .. if you took part in the bts snapshot ON the bter exchange .. you pay a 1% fee for them redeeming YOUR stake .. maybe that's the best way to go .. like an implementation fee payed by those participating in that progress on the exchange ..the way bter does it currently hurts people that want to by bts paying btc ... they instantly have a 1% loss
Quote from: sparkles on December 14, 2014, 11:28:22 pmQuote from: xeroc on December 14, 2014, 11:26:01 pmQuote from: sparkles on December 14, 2014, 11:15:35 pmActually I said exchange sparks belong to the exchange not to the depositors unless the exchange chooses to do otherwise.... because you cannot force them to do otherwise (read: the "right" thing) Actually as founder I deem the right thing for the exchange to keep them. I want the exchange to have financial incentive to list sparks so they can potentially sell them. I want them to have a stake in the success. I want people to keep funds off of exchanges. What? That doesn't make any sense.You want exchanges to list sparkle by giving them sparkle. But you do not want people trading sparkle on exchanges?
Quote from: ffwong on December 14, 2014, 05:18:49 amQuote from: lil_jay890 on December 14, 2014, 12:35:16 amFuzz I've also had a problem withdrawing from BTER recently. It's been a few hours since I sent them from the exchange to my wallet, but they havn't shown up yet. You still having this same problem?I got similar problem as well. Not just sending from bter to my wallet. But even sending between bittrex and poloniex does not work. Should we still stick to 14 Dec as the snapshot date? The BTS network is chaotic right now. Why not readjust the snapshot date? It seems to be a wrong action at the wrong moment i think sparkle said no exchange bts will be honored in the post Re-syncing the wallet.We will take BTS snapshot for Sparkle at the end of Dec.14. Don't forget to deposit before it at https://bter.com/myaccount/deposit/BTS
Quote from: lil_jay890 on December 14, 2014, 12:35:16 amFuzz I've also had a problem withdrawing from BTER recently. It's been a few hours since I sent them from the exchange to my wallet, but they havn't shown up yet. You still having this same problem?I got similar problem as well. Not just sending from bter to my wallet. But even sending between bittrex and poloniex does not work. Should we still stick to 14 Dec as the snapshot date? The BTS network is chaotic right now. Why not readjust the snapshot date? It seems to be a wrong action at the wrong moment
Fuzz I've also had a problem withdrawing from BTER recently. It's been a few hours since I sent them from the exchange to my wallet, but they havn't shown up yet. You still having this same problem?
Quote from: ffwong on December 14, 2014, 05:18:49 amQuote from: lil_jay890 on December 14, 2014, 12:35:16 amFuzz I've also had a problem withdrawing from BTER recently. It's been a few hours since I sent them from the exchange to my wallet, but they havn't shown up yet. You still having this same problem?I got similar problem as well. Not just sending from bter to my wallet. But even sending between bittrex and poloniex does not work. Should we still stick to 14 Dec as the snapshot date? The BTS network is chaotic right now. Why not readjust the snapshot date? It seems to be a wrong action at the wrong moment i think sparkle said no exchange snapshot. so bter will not take snapshot i guessRe-syncing the wallet.We will take BTS snapshot for Sparkle at the end of Dec.14. Don't forget to deposit before it at https://bter.com/myaccount/deposit/BTS
We will take BTS snapshot for Sparkle at the end of Dec.14. Don't forget to deposit before it at https://bter.com/myaccount/deposit/BTS
Quote from: ffwong on December 14, 2014, 05:18:49 amQuote from: lil_jay890 on December 14, 2014, 12:35:16 amFuzz I've also had a problem withdrawing from BTER recently. It's been a few hours since I sent them from the exchange to my wallet, but they havn't shown up yet. You still having this same problem?I got similar problem as well. Not just sending from bter to my wallet. But even sending between bittrex and poloniex does not work. Should we still stick to 14 Dec as the snapshot date? The BTS network is chaotic right now. Why not readjust the snapshot date? It seems to be a wrong action at the wrong moment Re-syncing the wallet.We will take BTS snapshot for Sparkle at the end of Dec.14. Don't forget to deposit before it at https://bter.com/myaccount/deposit/BTS
if the last block is mined 13/12 hope that take snapshot of next block, if not people buying last day/minute pts will be pissed of
Quote from: infovortice2013 on December 13, 2014, 07:00:54 pmQuote from: clayop on December 13, 2014, 09:13:31 amCan you clarify the exact time? Will it be about 12/14 11:59 PM UTC?i like to know exactly tooi read poloniex and bter honor snapshot PTSbut im not sure take out exchange because wallet keep hours delay to update and for make confirmations.. go slowlyFor PTS the snapshot will be the last block mined before 12/14 ends. It is of course impossible to tell when that will happen. It might have happened already.
Quote from: clayop on December 13, 2014, 09:13:31 amCan you clarify the exact time? Will it be about 12/14 11:59 PM UTC?i like to know exactly tooi read poloniex and bter honor snapshot PTSbut im not sure take out exchange because wallet keep hours delay to update and for make confirmations.. go slowly
Can you clarify the exact time? Will it be about 12/14 11:59 PM UTC?
Now if you honor 2x collateral you will leave the last 1x collateral not honored (i.e. effectively spreading Sparks amongst all BTS holders or among all genesis holders, depending on how you do it exactly). I do not have strong opinion if this is the best route or not. If you do not intend exactly this you can also honor the full collateral (3x).
Hmm. BTER disabled BTS withdrawal for now Hope they do consider taking the snapshot.
Quote from: bitder on December 08, 2014, 05:37:20 amQuote from: fuzzy on December 08, 2014, 05:18:58 am...I am unable to transfer to my wallet. I have sent them from my exchange account and have not received them for over two days now. Not sure what is going on...Am I alone here?I have a wallet with my delegate account (not set to produce blocks) and a regular account (in the same wallet) and transfers to my regular account from BTER doesn't show up for me either.wallet_rescan_blockchain doesn't help. I had to manually do wallet_verify_titan_deposit <transaction_id_prefix> for the balance to show up.I sent to my QT wallet---oh god. :/
Quote from: fuzzy on December 08, 2014, 05:18:58 am...I am unable to transfer to my wallet. I have sent them from my exchange account and have not received them for over two days now. Not sure what is going on...Am I alone here?I have a wallet with my delegate account (not set to produce blocks) and a regular account (in the same wallet) and transfers to my regular account from BTER doesn't show up for me either.wallet_rescan_blockchain doesn't help. I had to manually do wallet_verify_titan_deposit <transaction_id_prefix> for the balance to show up.
...I am unable to transfer to my wallet. I have sent them from my exchange account and have not received them for over two days now. Not sure what is going on...Am I alone here?
I will only use the PTS snapshot *IF* someone from the PTS community can produce it for me by December 16.
Quote from: sparkles on December 07, 2014, 03:52:24 pmQuote from: DACAttack on December 07, 2014, 05:06:14 amQuote from: sparkles on November 28, 2014, 05:49:56 pm...This will be the LAST block produced on December 14th UTC. I will not ask any exchanges to honor the snapshot and will ask everyone who wants to participate in it to remove it from the exchanges. In fact I will go so far as to declare that the exchanges OWN the snapshot of funds deposited in them as an incentive for them to list Sparkle and to reward them for supporting the BitShares ecosystem.I think you should be more considerate of users who are still having connecting and syncing issues with their wallets and have no choice but to keep their funds in exchanges till the next stable release.What connecting and syncing issues?Connecting issues like these for the bts wallethttps://bitsharestalk.org/index.php?topic=10895.0Quote from: fuzzy on December 07, 2014, 06:43:24 pm...This is a place of frustration for me. Exchanges should be expected to give the sharedrops (or at the very least a large percentage --95%+) to the holders who house their shares with them.
Quote from: DACAttack on December 07, 2014, 05:06:14 amQuote from: sparkles on November 28, 2014, 05:49:56 pm...This will be the LAST block produced on December 14th UTC. I will not ask any exchanges to honor the snapshot and will ask everyone who wants to participate in it to remove it from the exchanges. In fact I will go so far as to declare that the exchanges OWN the snapshot of funds deposited in them as an incentive for them to list Sparkle and to reward them for supporting the BitShares ecosystem.I think you should be more considerate of users who are still having connecting and syncing issues with their wallets and have no choice but to keep their funds in exchanges till the next stable release.What connecting and syncing issues?
Quote from: sparkles on November 28, 2014, 05:49:56 pm...This will be the LAST block produced on December 14th UTC. I will not ask any exchanges to honor the snapshot and will ask everyone who wants to participate in it to remove it from the exchanges. In fact I will go so far as to declare that the exchanges OWN the snapshot of funds deposited in them as an incentive for them to list Sparkle and to reward them for supporting the BitShares ecosystem.I think you should be more considerate of users who are still having connecting and syncing issues with their wallets and have no choice but to keep their funds in exchanges till the next stable release.
...This will be the LAST block produced on December 14th UTC. I will not ask any exchanges to honor the snapshot and will ask everyone who wants to participate in it to remove it from the exchanges. In fact I will go so far as to declare that the exchanges OWN the snapshot of funds deposited in them as an incentive for them to list Sparkle and to reward them for supporting the BitShares ecosystem.
...This is a place of frustration for me. Exchanges should be expected to give the sharedrops (or at the very least a large percentage --95%+) to the holders who house their shares with them.
Quote from: Empirical1.1 on December 04, 2014, 11:10:33 pmTo confirm, the first 100 million SPK are allocated equally to BTS, AGS & PTS. Correct?Yes
To confirm, the first 100 million SPK are allocated equally to BTS, AGS & PTS. Correct?
Is allocation fixed? I'm wondering how much is earmarked for testnet miners.
Lets make life easy on the exchanges and NOT ask them to honor this snapshot, but DO ask them to list it after we launch.
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