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Quote from: BunkerChain Labs on November 04, 2015, 09:08:26 pmQuote from: monsterer on November 04, 2015, 06:51:00 pmPart of it. UIAs could do it right now without the bond market though. What stops a UIA from paying dividends?QuoteTransaction fees. Thats why we went for buy back instead of dividends.QuoteBecoming a security is what stops it I thought. Then becoming subject to all kinds of regulatory issues. Transaction fees might be an issue also.The laws just changed on that. It's now a possible route to follow the new legislation and become a security. It's also tax free in Europe so it's actually a good time and legally the landscape is now in favor of securities on Bitshares.While I'm not a lawyer and don't know all the paperwork, I know it is now possible to start down that path. Equity crowd funding is now realistic. Although in the case of Metaexchange it might not actually be desirable because that is an all crypto exchange.https://bitsharestalk.org/index.php/topic,19607.0.html
Quote from: monsterer on November 04, 2015, 06:51:00 pmPart of it. UIAs could do it right now without the bond market though. What stops a UIA from paying dividends?QuoteTransaction fees. Thats why we went for buy back instead of dividends.
Part of it. UIAs could do it right now without the bond market though. What stops a UIA from paying dividends?
Transaction fees. Thats why we went for buy back instead of dividends.
Becoming a security is what stops it I thought. Then becoming subject to all kinds of regulatory issues. Transaction fees might be an issue also.
Quote from: luckybit on November 04, 2015, 04:32:50 pmQuote from: topcandle on November 04, 2015, 04:31:28 pmSo Bond markets is our answer?Part of it. UIAs could do it right now without the bond market though. What stops a UIA from paying dividends?Nothing. What stops a UIA from not even looking like a UIA and paying 'rewards points' to customers?
Quote from: topcandle on November 04, 2015, 04:31:28 pmSo Bond markets is our answer?Part of it. UIAs could do it right now without the bond market though. What stops a UIA from paying dividends?
So Bond markets is our answer?
Quote from: bytemaster on November 04, 2015, 02:12:07 amBTS needs to be promoted as a tool of freedom that it is. It needs to develop its own mini economy of people that are passionate about a common goal.Unfortunately, growing a community in such a manner is much slower than most would like.I'll have to disagree here. While think freedom is really important, I'll have to accept the fact that most people don't care about it.Of course Bitshares has to be "freedom compatible", otherwise it won't be useful and wont' revolutionize anything. But using freedom as a main marketing point is just waste of time.Freedom lovers are a tiny group, and most of them are already using bitcoin, and especially right now when the BTC is rocketing, they are not interested in questioning the foundations of Bitcoin and analyze how bad it actually is (in the long run).
BTS needs to be promoted as a tool of freedom that it is. It needs to develop its own mini economy of people that are passionate about a common goal.Unfortunately, growing a community in such a manner is much slower than most would like.
5-10% annual yield is the best marketing Bitshares 2.0 can have. Find some Bitasset which is giving 5-10% annual yield or interest and Bitshares will become trivially easy to market at that point. Simply set up a blog showing step by step how you're gaining 5-10% in annual yield through Bitshares in a way which is of low risk and suddenly millions of dollars will flow into Bitshares.
Quote from: luckybit on November 04, 2015, 04:13:25 pmQuote from: fav on November 04, 2015, 11:46:27 amQuote from: jakub on November 04, 2015, 11:44:57 amYes, I agree. For merchants it is a big deal.But for me, the consumer, only the freedom part is the big deal.And that is not bad news. If only 3-5% of online consumers do care about freedom - we are in a big business. Much bigger than bitcoin is now.I agree, the freedom part is important.but for me as consumer it's far more interesting to save 5-10% on a product.You're not interested in equity crowd funding? In achieving financial independence for yourself and your family?If you cannot sustain yourself without employment then you're not financially independent. If you're able to get a few thousand $ a month from the blockchain then you're financially independent. Bitshares is the one blockchain which can offer this as a feature, the feature is the ability to achieve financial independence indirectly, not through features of Bitshares or the Bitshares price rise, but through holding the proper portfolio of UIAs, private assets, smart coins, bonds, etc, or by being a referrer, a witness, etc.As you see, the people who work hard, or who work smart, or who invest wisely, can have a chance to achieve the new American dream of financial independence facilitated by blockchain technology. Bitshares should be marketed to people who want to be digital nomads, who want financial independence, who want to work directly for a blockchain.Avoid politics, avoid vague words like freedom, avoid dividing people by talking about libertarian ideals, or crypto-anarchism, or Bytemasters master plan. People want to achieve similar goals, we all have similar dreams, but we all come from different backgrounds, different ideological outlooks, different philosophy on life, and we should avoid that which can divide people in marketing and put only what can bring people together.Financial independence is something every reasonable person should want and we just have to show reasonable people how they can achieve financial independence through Bitshares, with some examples of people who are working at achieving it. Maybe someone should set up blogs showing how they invest through Bitshares and share their success. This way you market Bitshares to the people who want financial independence but who never thought it was possible to achieve through blockchains.Wow... rant well stated!
Quote from: fav on November 04, 2015, 11:46:27 amQuote from: jakub on November 04, 2015, 11:44:57 amYes, I agree. For merchants it is a big deal.But for me, the consumer, only the freedom part is the big deal.And that is not bad news. If only 3-5% of online consumers do care about freedom - we are in a big business. Much bigger than bitcoin is now.I agree, the freedom part is important.but for me as consumer it's far more interesting to save 5-10% on a product.You're not interested in equity crowd funding? In achieving financial independence for yourself and your family?If you cannot sustain yourself without employment then you're not financially independent. If you're able to get a few thousand $ a month from the blockchain then you're financially independent. Bitshares is the one blockchain which can offer this as a feature, the feature is the ability to achieve financial independence indirectly, not through features of Bitshares or the Bitshares price rise, but through holding the proper portfolio of UIAs, private assets, smart coins, bonds, etc, or by being a referrer, a witness, etc.As you see, the people who work hard, or who work smart, or who invest wisely, can have a chance to achieve the new American dream of financial independence facilitated by blockchain technology. Bitshares should be marketed to people who want to be digital nomads, who want financial independence, who want to work directly for a blockchain.Avoid politics, avoid vague words like freedom, avoid dividing people by talking about libertarian ideals, or crypto-anarchism, or Bytemasters master plan. People want to achieve similar goals, we all have similar dreams, but we all come from different backgrounds, different ideological outlooks, different philosophy on life, and we should avoid that which can divide people in marketing and put only what can bring people together.Financial independence is something every reasonable person should want and we just have to show reasonable people how they can achieve financial independence through Bitshares, with some examples of people who are working at achieving it. Maybe someone should set up blogs showing how they invest through Bitshares and share their success. This way you market Bitshares to the people who want financial independence but who never thought it was possible to achieve through blockchains.
Quote from: jakub on November 04, 2015, 11:44:57 amYes, I agree. For merchants it is a big deal.But for me, the consumer, only the freedom part is the big deal.And that is not bad news. If only 3-5% of online consumers do care about freedom - we are in a big business. Much bigger than bitcoin is now.I agree, the freedom part is important.but for me as consumer it's far more interesting to save 5-10% on a product.
Yes, I agree. For merchants it is a big deal.But for me, the consumer, only the freedom part is the big deal.And that is not bad news. If only 3-5% of online consumers do care about freedom - we are in a big business. Much bigger than bitcoin is now.
Freedom lovers are a tiny group, and most of them are already using bitcoin, and especially right now when the BTC is rocketing, they are not interested in questioning the foundations of Bitcoin and analyze how bad it actually is (in the long run).
Quote from: lzr1900 on November 03, 2015, 03:34:58 pmQuote from: lil_jay890 on November 03, 2015, 02:52:59 pmThe reason why this really sucks is because bitcoin is rising so strongly... It makes us feel like idiots because we tried to be the smartest guys in the room and pick an alternative currency because we thought we had an inside track.When I told my friends and family that I was investing in bitcoin, they thought I was an idiot destined to lose all my money. I didn't tell them I invested in bitshares, since they don't know the difference. All they know is it is some digital money.Now they see bitcoin rising like an absolute monster while getting tons of media attention. They go to me "Wow! you invest in the bitcoins right? You must be doing awesome! Tell me more about these things!"Little do they know that I actually bought into some other thing not bitcoin... A thing similar but not the same that has lost tremendous value since I bought it. So here we are. We were right on the story that crypto would become immensely valuable, but somehow we managed to go broke in the process...That is the ultimate kick in the nuts!I am happy to see you burned.hahahhaa.sb.It's good to see that you can be happy about someting
Quote from: lil_jay890 on November 03, 2015, 02:52:59 pmThe reason why this really sucks is because bitcoin is rising so strongly... It makes us feel like idiots because we tried to be the smartest guys in the room and pick an alternative currency because we thought we had an inside track.When I told my friends and family that I was investing in bitcoin, they thought I was an idiot destined to lose all my money. I didn't tell them I invested in bitshares, since they don't know the difference. All they know is it is some digital money.Now they see bitcoin rising like an absolute monster while getting tons of media attention. They go to me "Wow! you invest in the bitcoins right? You must be doing awesome! Tell me more about these things!"Little do they know that I actually bought into some other thing not bitcoin... A thing similar but not the same that has lost tremendous value since I bought it. So here we are. We were right on the story that crypto would become immensely valuable, but somehow we managed to go broke in the process...That is the ultimate kick in the nuts!I am happy to see you burned.hahahhaa.sb.
The reason why this really sucks is because bitcoin is rising so strongly... It makes us feel like idiots because we tried to be the smartest guys in the room and pick an alternative currency because we thought we had an inside track.When I told my friends and family that I was investing in bitcoin, they thought I was an idiot destined to lose all my money. I didn't tell them I invested in bitshares, since they don't know the difference. All they know is it is some digital money.Now they see bitcoin rising like an absolute monster while getting tons of media attention. They go to me "Wow! you invest in the bitcoins right? You must be doing awesome! Tell me more about these things!"Little do they know that I actually bought into some other thing not bitcoin... A thing similar but not the same that has lost tremendous value since I bought it. So here we are. We were right on the story that crypto would become immensely valuable, but somehow we managed to go broke in the process...That is the ultimate kick in the nuts!
5-10% yield possible through Bond markets? How much does polonieux offer?
Quote from: lil_jay890 on November 04, 2015, 01:54:48 amHow do I promote bitshares? Do I walk into a bar and say "You should use bitshares because (I have no idea what to say here)". Same thing with other merchants and business's. How can they use this? Why would they use this instead or along with bitcoin?For me it's quite simple. There are two distinct customer groups:(1) online merchants - they need to be attracted by financial reasons: we have no charge-backs and we are significantly cheaper - due to the referral program having BTS as a system for receiving payments can mean a net income rather than 2% cost (as is the case with legacy systems).(2) online consumers - they will come to BTS for lifestyle reasons, financial reasons won't work here because if you spend less than $5 / month for transaction fees you are not price sensitive. This is what BM points out and I fully agree with it:Quote from: bytemaster on November 04, 2015, 02:12:07 amBTS needs to be promoted as a tool of freedom that it is. It needs to develop its own mini economy of people that are passionate about a common goal.
How do I promote bitshares? Do I walk into a bar and say "You should use bitshares because (I have no idea what to say here)". Same thing with other merchants and business's. How can they use this? Why would they use this instead or along with bitcoin?
BTS needs to be promoted as a tool of freedom that it is. It needs to develop its own mini economy of people that are passionate about a common goal.
Quote from: Samupaha on November 04, 2015, 11:25:39 amQuote from: bytemaster on November 04, 2015, 02:12:07 amBTS needs to be promoted as a tool of freedom that it is. It needs to develop its own mini economy of people that are passionate about a common goal.Unfortunately, growing a community in such a manner is much slower than most would like.I'll have to disagree here. While think freedom is really important, I'll have to accept the fact that most people don't care about it.Of course Bitshares has to be "freedom compatible", otherwise it won't be useful and wont' revolutionize anything. But using freedom as a main marketing point is just waste of time.Freedom lovers are a tiny group, and most of them are already using bitcoin, and especially right now when the BTC is rocketing, they are not interested in questioning the foundations of Bitcoin and analyze how bad it actually is (in the long run).So I am a normal guy with a bank account, debit card and a PayPal account.And I use my PayPal account (or my debit card) 2-3 times a month to pay for the stuff I buy online and it looks like a free service for me.(It looks like this because the fess are hidden from me and even if I'm smart and I know that ultimately I pay for the fees - as they are just factored in the price of the product I'm buying - I don't really care because altogether the fees cost me less than $3 per month)If we skip the freedom part - what's the big deal for me to convince me to dump PayPal (or debit card) and start using bitUSD / bitEUR / bitCNY instead?
but for me as consumer it's far more interesting to save 5-10% on a product.
Quote from: jakub on November 04, 2015, 11:37:02 amQuote from: Samupaha on November 04, 2015, 11:25:39 amQuote from: bytemaster on November 04, 2015, 02:12:07 amBTS needs to be promoted as a tool of freedom that it is. It needs to develop its own mini economy of people that are passionate about a common goal.Unfortunately, growing a community in such a manner is much slower than most would like.I'll have to disagree here. While think freedom is really important, I'll have to accept the fact that most people don't care about it.Of course Bitshares has to be "freedom compatible", otherwise it won't be useful and wont' revolutionize anything. But using freedom as a main marketing point is just waste of time.Freedom lovers are a tiny group, and most of them are already using bitcoin, and especially right now when the BTC is rocketing, they are not interested in questioning the foundations of Bitcoin and analyze how bad it actually is (in the long run).So I am a normal guy with a bank account, debit card and a PayPal account.And I use my PayPal (or a debit card) account 2-3 times a month to pay for the stuff I buy online and it looks like a free service for me.(It looks like this because the fess are hidden from me and even if I'm smart and I know that ultimately I pay for the fees - as they are just factored in the price of the product I'm buying - I don't really care because altogether the fees cost me less than $3 per month)If we skip the freedom part - what's the big deal for me to convince me to dump PayPal (or debit card) and start using bitUSD / bitEUR / bitCNY instead?merchants. they pay less fees overall for smartcoins and can earn via referral program = they can offer discounts.
Quote from: Samupaha on November 04, 2015, 11:25:39 amQuote from: bytemaster on November 04, 2015, 02:12:07 amBTS needs to be promoted as a tool of freedom that it is. It needs to develop its own mini economy of people that are passionate about a common goal.Unfortunately, growing a community in such a manner is much slower than most would like.I'll have to disagree here. While think freedom is really important, I'll have to accept the fact that most people don't care about it.Of course Bitshares has to be "freedom compatible", otherwise it won't be useful and wont' revolutionize anything. But using freedom as a main marketing point is just waste of time.Freedom lovers are a tiny group, and most of them are already using bitcoin, and especially right now when the BTC is rocketing, they are not interested in questioning the foundations of Bitcoin and analyze how bad it actually is (in the long run).So I am a normal guy with a bank account, debit card and a PayPal account.And I use my PayPal (or a debit card) account 2-3 times a month to pay for the stuff I buy online and it looks like a free service for me.(It looks like this because the fess are hidden from me and even if I'm smart and I know that ultimately I pay for the fees - as they are just factored in the price of the product I'm buying - I don't really care because altogether the fees cost me less than $3 per month)If we skip the freedom part - what's the big deal for me to convince me to dump PayPal (or debit card) and start using bitUSD / bitEUR / bitCNY instead?
Quote from: mike623317 on November 04, 2015, 03:26:24 amQuote from: bytemaster on November 04, 2015, 02:12:07 amBTS needs to be promoted as a tool of freedom that it is. It needs to develop its own mini economy of people that are passionate about a common goal. Unfortunately, growing a community in such a manner is much slower than most would like.I try and promote this as "Why save in USD in your Bank of America account when you can save diversified in Gold, Silver, Oil, USD etc with BitShares" or "Are you concerned about your currency being devalued or bail-ins? Try crypto and bank on yourself."I think its a mistake to get too political. Look how poorly the libertarians do in elections these days. For some reason people dont care about liberty so much as what they think they're entitled to. The US is becoming a police state yet no one protested after snowdon's revelations, but they sure did in Berlin, Germany. Not in DC though.I agree. At the same time Bitshares has to just work, and the bond market feature is missing which is perhaps more important to mass adoption than any other. Quote from: bytemaster on November 04, 2015, 02:12:07 amBTS needs to be promoted as a tool of freedom that it is. It needs to develop its own mini economy of people that are passionate about a common goal.Unfortunately, growing a community in such a manner is much slower than most would like.A lot of people don't know what freedom is, and only half of Americans own stocks. Maybe focus on the half of Americans who don't own any stocks. Most Americans don't own any equity and you don't really have to appeal to ideology other than to look at the demographics that dont own and show them an easy way to acquire equity.Maybe gamers for example who spend all day getting some digital item can now own digital property and acquire real wealth. This is an opportunity that never existed before for gamers or for people of the millennial demographic.Focusing on politics is a mistake because a lot of young people aren't political or they just don't like politics. People see politics are involved and often run away from it because a lot of people don't want to have to deal with what comes along with politics, the risk of their lives being destroyed, the risk of upsetting the status quo. I think politics really limit the potential of any project when it's put into the branding of the project and it is why Bitcoin is replaced by Blockchain.The reasoning being that most Americans aren't anarchists. Most Americans misunderstand what anarchist means, they don't have to be libertarians, they could be mainstream independents, or Bernie Sanders supporters, and still use an app if it's in their self interest. Why not appeal to self interest?
Quote from: bytemaster on November 04, 2015, 02:12:07 amBTS needs to be promoted as a tool of freedom that it is. It needs to develop its own mini economy of people that are passionate about a common goal. Unfortunately, growing a community in such a manner is much slower than most would like.I try and promote this as "Why save in USD in your Bank of America account when you can save diversified in Gold, Silver, Oil, USD etc with BitShares" or "Are you concerned about your currency being devalued or bail-ins? Try crypto and bank on yourself."I think its a mistake to get too political. Look how poorly the libertarians do in elections these days. For some reason people dont care about liberty so much as what they think they're entitled to. The US is becoming a police state yet no one protested after snowdon's revelations, but they sure did in Berlin, Germany. Not in DC though.
BTS needs to be promoted as a tool of freedom that it is. It needs to develop its own mini economy of people that are passionate about a common goal. Unfortunately, growing a community in such a manner is much slower than most would like.
When bitcoin settles down, speculators will exhale, and value will flow back into the alts with a vengeance.
Quote from: luckybit on November 04, 2015, 03:36:13 amQuote from: donkeypong on November 04, 2015, 12:53:22 amQuote from: MrJeans on November 03, 2015, 04:38:25 pmIm not gonna lie. This consistently low price is depressing.I really don't think the price will instantly or magically increase. If it does, be suspicious of manipulative whales. What we all need to do is hit the ground and promote the hell out of this thing, fueling some greater adoption, and get the momentum rolling to where businesses and customers WANT to use BitShares for various functions. Then we will see the kind of sustainable growth that has been so elusive in BitShares (or crypto in general). It won't happen this week or next month. But in a few months or a year or two, our efforts should be rewarded. Get on it, people. Promoting BitShares is a 'part-time job' now for all of us. Imagine working at Google (or insert your favorite startup success story here) when they first got started with the promise that your options might be worth a great deal more someday. And that your technology could make the world a much better place. We can make it happen.Customers and merchants don't care about Bitshares. The market for Bitshares are people who want to speculate or loan or park their money and collect some kind of yield or interest.There isn't another decentralized exchange where people can do that. There are plenty of coins competing to get merchants and customers. If you can store your earnings in gold or silver that is something nothing else can offer right now.Good point:QuoteThe market for Bitshares are people who want to speculate or loan or park their money and collect some kind of yield or interest.Speculators buy bitshares. They do not value bts as highly as we think they should, though it is the second most traded coin at poloniex. Right now speculators value btc above the alts because it bitcoin is the backbone and rosetta stone for all other blockchains. Speculators know that when dollars and yuan flow into the digital economy, they will do through bitcoin. The broad decline in alt coin prices suggest that speculators are selling their alt coins to capitalize on bitcoin's latest assent. When bitcoin settles down, speculators will exhale, and value will flow back into the alts with a vengeance.
Quote from: donkeypong on November 04, 2015, 12:53:22 amQuote from: MrJeans on November 03, 2015, 04:38:25 pmIm not gonna lie. This consistently low price is depressing.I really don't think the price will instantly or magically increase. If it does, be suspicious of manipulative whales. What we all need to do is hit the ground and promote the hell out of this thing, fueling some greater adoption, and get the momentum rolling to where businesses and customers WANT to use BitShares for various functions. Then we will see the kind of sustainable growth that has been so elusive in BitShares (or crypto in general). It won't happen this week or next month. But in a few months or a year or two, our efforts should be rewarded. Get on it, people. Promoting BitShares is a 'part-time job' now for all of us. Imagine working at Google (or insert your favorite startup success story here) when they first got started with the promise that your options might be worth a great deal more someday. And that your technology could make the world a much better place. We can make it happen.Customers and merchants don't care about Bitshares. The market for Bitshares are people who want to speculate or loan or park their money and collect some kind of yield or interest.There isn't another decentralized exchange where people can do that. There are plenty of coins competing to get merchants and customers. If you can store your earnings in gold or silver that is something nothing else can offer right now.
Quote from: MrJeans on November 03, 2015, 04:38:25 pmIm not gonna lie. This consistently low price is depressing.I really don't think the price will instantly or magically increase. If it does, be suspicious of manipulative whales. What we all need to do is hit the ground and promote the hell out of this thing, fueling some greater adoption, and get the momentum rolling to where businesses and customers WANT to use BitShares for various functions. Then we will see the kind of sustainable growth that has been so elusive in BitShares (or crypto in general). It won't happen this week or next month. But in a few months or a year or two, our efforts should be rewarded. Get on it, people. Promoting BitShares is a 'part-time job' now for all of us. Imagine working at Google (or insert your favorite startup success story here) when they first got started with the promise that your options might be worth a great deal more someday. And that your technology could make the world a much better place. We can make it happen.
Im not gonna lie. This consistently low price is depressing.
The market for Bitshares are people who want to speculate or loan or park their money and collect some kind of yield or interest.
Well the good news is we're global, not just within the US. The Chinese are behind the bitcoin rise according to zerohedge. They could but bitBTC or bitgold with us. The question is, why aren't they?
Price feeds in openledger are very biased. Why is that?
I really don't think the price will instantly or magically increase. If it does, be suspicious of manipulative whales. What we all need to do is hit the ground and promote the hell out of this thing, fueling some greater adoption, and get the momentum rolling to where businesses and customers WANT to use BitShares for various functions. Then we will see the kind of sustainable growth that has been so elusive in BitShares (or crypto in general). It won't happen this week or next month. But in a few months or a year or two, our efforts should be rewarded. Get on it, people. Promoting BitShares is a 'part-time job' now for all of us. Imagine working at Google (or insert your favorite startup success story here) when they first got started with the promise that your options might be worth a great deal more someday. And that your technology could make the world a much better place. We can make it happen.
Quote from: Chris4210X on November 03, 2015, 09:46:10 pmThese are good news and i am looking forward to their first design pitches. Moonstone looks still far away from launch. Any updated dates here? How far the developments for an fiat on-ramp in USA? Is anybody on that right now?Moonstone owes a lot of people a lot of money here
These are good news and i am looking forward to their first design pitches. Moonstone looks still far away from launch. Any updated dates here? How far the developments for an fiat on-ramp in USA? Is anybody on that right now?
did anybody got his game together to create a new wallet for bitshares? Get a team of 3-4 people, create the design and get some VC funding. There is so much money in Fintech! Do not say directly its for Bitshares.. I have seen www.number26.de with 50.000 new users in 4 months and www.cashcloud.com rised + $1 million EUR for a simple new bank interface, why not us? I meet Sven Donhuysen (Founder of cashcloud) on a conference in Switzerland today and i will contact him again to look for synergies to add Bitshares as an additional technology. I think we need to be more public about the great technology we have with BitShares and what it can deliver to us all. I think it is time for us now to step up again and to reach out. Don´t let BitShares stay an underdog for dreamers!
Quote from: mf-tzo on November 03, 2015, 02:48:34 pmThis is the price we pay not only for high fees but also for hypes from the Devs for a release that still has bugs, is not user friendly, we have to re-imagine everything if we want to trade with leverage in the new system, rules to trade and how you get margin called are not explained properly and keep changing, no marketing, nanocards and other services promised months ago, not a single whale is supporting bitshares and the small people with few funds just lost everything.. I think re instating the confidence in bts will take another couple of years..It is so depressing.. I am just sad...It was hard to hear, but in the recent interview Adam said exactly that. That basically the GUI is not user friendly, not polished and that Bitshares never quite gets finished before being put out there. I agree that hopefully some decent developer is going to build a great gui and get all the referrals, but as of today its simply not polished enough and its hard to hear. On the other side, we have a great backend. Even Adam admitted thats its the best out there. That's perfect news. He wants to integrate it with his platform and from what i see on the forum, hes not sure how to do it and is kind of giving up. I know we have limited resources, but it does reinforce this perception that we cant quite bring home the bacon with a polished, easy to use, easy to understand product. All our attention should be on the front end so that it works in all browsers, have an app in the AppStore and the GUI is as polished as poloniex. I love BMs teaser in the mumble and thats what he's good at. But i really wish we had a equally good front end built.
This is the price we pay not only for high fees but also for hypes from the Devs for a release that still has bugs, is not user friendly, we have to re-imagine everything if we want to trade with leverage in the new system, rules to trade and how you get margin called are not explained properly and keep changing, no marketing, nanocards and other services promised months ago, not a single whale is supporting bitshares and the small people with few funds just lost everything.. I think re instating the confidence in bts will take another couple of years..It is so depressing.. I am just sad...
kudos to anyone with the balls to buy this blood bath
Wow. That was a shitty day for bitshares. Lift your head look around. You're still alive. If you are like me then you are a bit poorer for it. If you are not then fuck you I don't really want to hear about it. (just kidding feel free to gloat. We always need reminders of how trashy people act.)Like many of you I feel as if I was just kicked in the nuts. over and over again. I feel as if I live in the quiet little hamlet of BitShares, and the evil dragon Margin of Polo has lain waste to my kinsmen. Burned many alive. Scared many others away to live in the wastes. Forgetting why they ever called BitShares home. There were some just here for coin. I wont miss them. There were however some that understood that neither profit nor wealth could ever be completely measured in dollars nor even btc. That attempting to measure your profit or wealth in the symbol of your enslavement only makes you more of a slave. If any of those have been scared away they will be missed. Even the ones I think are assholes. The potential loss of human capital is far more concerning than that hideous to watch drop in price. I think its important to put shitty days behind you. If you don't then you tend towards having a shitty now. I would much rather have a shitty yesterday than a shitty now. Anyways just the thoughts a 35 year old man that answers to the forum name puppies. I understand if that doesn't increase your confidence in my opinion.
Short term swings don't matter if you believe we're going much higher. It's just some trader cashing out and making the chart guys think they're seeing Mt. Everest or the Marianna Trench. Forest for the trees; I don't even bother checking CMC most days. This volatility will get sorted out soon and we'll get some wider adoption, then begin a slow and steady increase that we can sustain. Until then, the movements are just noise.
Well said puppies, hopefully we'll bounce back quickly.@Thom BTS just got slaughtered over on polo, price is down like 50% since yesterday..