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BITSHARES IS NOT A DEMOCRACYand never has been.BitShares is a meritocracy, meaning that those who do the most work (like the workers, delegates, and witnesses) get the most power and control.Never again say that BitShares is a democracy. It is just plain false.Those who contribute (work or donate capital), get a place at the table. Freeloaders, and lazy people have no power.This is the structure. If you want a democracy coin (every shareholder has an equal say even if they only own 1 Satoshi) then go somewhere else. The BitShares community is only interested in those who are going to pull their own weight, and work hard, and contribute. BitShares is not controlled by just anyone, it is controlled by those who give the most of themselves generously. It is controlled by those who serve best.
Quote from: xeroc ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ on May 20, 2015, 06:16:25 amWith the powerful API it should also be possible to add BitShares to odoo or SAP Hey xeroc, if you have an interest in working on the api for accounting and crm, I can put you in contact with Eibhin O. (you met him at our first meetup I think). I know he'd make a great beta-tester too. Lmk thanx, -ken
With the powerful API it should also be possible to add BitShares to odoo or SAP
Quote from: Thom on May 19, 2015, 10:44:00 pmQuote from: fuzzy on May 19, 2015, 07:32:44 pmI even think we should have 2 kinds of wallets: one for someone who wants to trade and one for the user who simply wants to be able to quickly buy BTS and a few main bitassets to hold/send/spend. How different the approaches are will dictate whether separate wallet apps make more sense instead of a"UI Mode" preference option that provides different UI / UX personas. From a product support and development perspective separate product apps can really increase costs substantially. If the code is structured well, with a good API, it should be possible to have radically different UXs to suit traders, B2B users or people that basically just want a better version of paypal.But you have to really know who your target audience is and what they want as well as what they need to build a good UX. I was reading a thread here on the forum started today where someone was attempting to gather feedback on the shortcomings of the current client UX. It's a good start, but IMO an ad hoc approach like that won't result in a quality UX for each of the users we're trying to target. Identifying the target demographics and their needs is crucially important. I do think
Quote from: fuzzy on May 19, 2015, 07:32:44 pmI even think we should have 2 kinds of wallets: one for someone who wants to trade and one for the user who simply wants to be able to quickly buy BTS and a few main bitassets to hold/send/spend. How different the approaches are will dictate whether separate wallet apps make more sense instead of a"UI Mode" preference option that provides different UI / UX personas. From a product support and development perspective separate product apps can really increase costs substantially. If the code is structured well, with a good API, it should be possible to have radically different UXs to suit traders, B2B users or people that basically just want a better version of paypal.But you have to really know who your target audience is and what they want as well as what they need to build a good UX. I was reading a thread here on the forum started today where someone was attempting to gather feedback on the shortcomings of the current client UX. It's a good start, but IMO an ad hoc approach like that won't result in a quality UX for each of the users we're trying to target. Identifying the target demographics and their needs is crucially important. I do think
I even think we should have 2 kinds of wallets: one for someone who wants to trade and one for the user who simply wants to be able to quickly buy BTS and a few main bitassets to hold/send/spend.
I suspect the big traffic will come from B2B users who do all the transactions via script at the rate of thousands per block. Instead of thinking of a day trader trading bitAssets think of the millions of people around the world swiping their credit card, making micro payments in a game, executing automatic bill payments, etc. HUGE traffic. HUGE fees .
My chief concern is and always will be how well is BitShares sticking to the fundamental principles that brought me and many others to this ecosystem.
My primary technical concern is whether all of the sweeping changes will be perceived as overall positive or net negative by the community. It all hinges on the User eXperience. I am very uneasy about this. The team has not demonstrated the innovation and rate of improvement of frontend (UI) development compared with that of the infrastructure / backend. It clearly isn't where their passion lives. However, BM is heading up an exceptional team, and he realizes the importance and difficulty of creating a solid, positive UX. Will he be able to manage and guide his team to produce a quality software product that the market wants? Will support be a killer after it's released (i.e. bugs)? Will he be able to acquire the necessary skills in UI / UX to pull this off? Will it take much longer than anticipated, causing loss of confidence if the "big release" doesn't happen until July or possibly even August?
BITSHARES IS NOT A DEMOCRACYand never has been.BitShares is a meritocracy, meaning that those who do the most work (like the workers, delegates, and witnesses) get the most power and control.This is the structure. If you want a democracy coin (every shareholder has an equal say even if they only own 1 Satoshi) then go somewhere else. The BitShares community is only interested in those who are going to pull their own weight, and work hard, and contribute. BitShares is not controlled by just anyone, it is controlled by those who give the most of themselves generously. It is controlled by those who serve best.
Ethereum got many attention because their vision is very BIG.Does Bitshares have a killer feature can involve many programer, developer or entrepreneurial talent.They can do something base on Bitshares, not work for Bitshares. It is ecosphere.
Is Bitshares turing on the plan list?
Quote from: Buck Fankers on April 25, 2015, 02:35:51 amQuote from: bytemaster on April 23, 2015, 05:20:40 pmturing complete smart contracts which will be our LAST hard fork. Is this something Bitshares will be working on alone or are you collaborating with Ian Knowles at CIYAM (http://ciyam.org/at/)? He's scheduled to have the first cross-chain transaction on a mainnet complete before months end between Burst and Qora.I have been in talks with Ian since the early days of BTS. I have reviewed his work and consider it superior to Ethereum.I would likely take an approach similar to his and adopt his code if it gains any traction and is proven. Performance is my primary consideration as well as simplicity.
Quote from: bytemaster on April 23, 2015, 05:20:40 pmturing complete smart contracts which will be our LAST hard fork. Is this something Bitshares will be working on alone or are you collaborating with Ian Knowles at CIYAM (http://ciyam.org/at/)? He's scheduled to have the first cross-chain transaction on a mainnet complete before months end between Burst and Qora.
turing complete smart contracts which will be our LAST hard fork.
Quote from: helloworld on May 19, 2015, 03:15:26 amQuote from: onceuponatime on May 19, 2015, 03:04:20 amQuote from: helloworld on May 19, 2015, 02:55:59 amQuote from: xeroc ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ on May 18, 2015, 10:00:24 amQuote from: helloworld on May 18, 2015, 09:44:24 am , We have no power at allI have power .. just because I have >0 BTS shares in BTS ..It's like democracy .. even if you feel your vote doesn't count, the opinion of the mass does count!Democracy should be one person have one vote right, not decide by person Who have more land , more money, more wealth.BTS just like Joint-stock company, It will to do something decide by big stakeholders even if it is no correct.BM just like Jobs in Apple Inc. ,Board of Directors is weak just like stakeholders is weak in BTS.But BM is not Jobs, and BTS is not Apple Inc.I know BM work hard , and payed a lot. I'm very admire him.But a DAC should be more democracy.If you want more vote, buy more BitShares. They are really cheap right now!Have no power to decide something? OK, Your should to buy more bitshares, you have no power because your bitshares not enough. But how many could make a change?Even if buy more BTS, it could change anything?I'm not good at write by English , I just deliver my opinion.If my words sound terrible , I‘m sorry.
Quote from: onceuponatime on May 19, 2015, 03:04:20 amQuote from: helloworld on May 19, 2015, 02:55:59 amQuote from: xeroc ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ on May 18, 2015, 10:00:24 amQuote from: helloworld on May 18, 2015, 09:44:24 am , We have no power at allI have power .. just because I have >0 BTS shares in BTS ..It's like democracy .. even if you feel your vote doesn't count, the opinion of the mass does count!Democracy should be one person have one vote right, not decide by person Who have more land , more money, more wealth.BTS just like Joint-stock company, It will to do something decide by big stakeholders even if it is no correct.BM just like Jobs in Apple Inc. ,Board of Directors is weak just like stakeholders is weak in BTS.But BM is not Jobs, and BTS is not Apple Inc.I know BM work hard , and payed a lot. I'm very admire him.But a DAC should be more democracy.If you want more vote, buy more BitShares. They are really cheap right now!Have no power to decide something? OK, Your should to buy more bitshares, you have no power because your bitshares not enough. But how many could make a change?Even if buy more BTS, it could change anything?
Quote from: helloworld on May 19, 2015, 02:55:59 amQuote from: xeroc ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ on May 18, 2015, 10:00:24 amQuote from: helloworld on May 18, 2015, 09:44:24 am , We have no power at allI have power .. just because I have >0 BTS shares in BTS ..It's like democracy .. even if you feel your vote doesn't count, the opinion of the mass does count!Democracy should be one person have one vote right, not decide by person Who have more land , more money, more wealth.BTS just like Joint-stock company, It will to do something decide by big stakeholders even if it is no correct.BM just like Jobs in Apple Inc. ,Board of Directors is weak just like stakeholders is weak in BTS.But BM is not Jobs, and BTS is not Apple Inc.I know BM work hard , and payed a lot. I'm very admire him.But a DAC should be more democracy.If you want more vote, buy more BitShares. They are really cheap right now!
Quote from: xeroc ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ on May 18, 2015, 10:00:24 amQuote from: helloworld on May 18, 2015, 09:44:24 am , We have no power at allI have power .. just because I have >0 BTS shares in BTS ..It's like democracy .. even if you feel your vote doesn't count, the opinion of the mass does count!Democracy should be one person have one vote right, not decide by person Who have more land , more money, more wealth.BTS just like Joint-stock company, It will to do something decide by big stakeholders even if it is no correct.BM just like Jobs in Apple Inc. ,Board of Directors is weak just like stakeholders is weak in BTS.But BM is not Jobs, and BTS is not Apple Inc.I know BM work hard , and payed a lot. I'm very admire him.But a DAC should be more democracy.
Quote from: helloworld on May 18, 2015, 09:44:24 am , We have no power at allI have power .. just because I have >0 BTS shares in BTS ..It's like democracy .. even if you feel your vote doesn't count, the opinion of the mass does count!
, We have no power at all
Quote from: jakub on May 18, 2015, 04:17:53 pmQuote from: jsidhu on May 18, 2015, 03:50:50 pmThe ui is secondary to any features of the core. Ui speed hasnothing to do with the core and is solely a problem with rhe ui code.. any of the other wallets might work better for you. With angular 2.0 it should get faster anyway.This might be inaccurate.In the latest hangout BM said that the current UI problems are mainly due to two issues:1. inefficient data architecture of the back-end is reflected in the front-end2. the communication protocol allows only pull requests from the front-end (i.e. data cannot be pushed from the back-end)Both issues are to be addressed and fixed in 1.0.don't call it 1.0 if it's buggier than bitcoin 0.1! bandages after bandages, dev team has made a art of making simple things complecated, whole project need to start from scratch or be abandoned.
Quote from: jsidhu on May 18, 2015, 03:50:50 pmThe ui is secondary to any features of the core. Ui speed hasnothing to do with the core and is solely a problem with rhe ui code.. any of the other wallets might work better for you. With angular 2.0 it should get faster anyway.This might be inaccurate.In the latest hangout BM said that the current UI problems are mainly due to two issues:1. inefficient data architecture of the back-end is reflected in the front-end2. the communication protocol allows only pull requests from the front-end (i.e. data cannot be pushed from the back-end)Both issues are to be addressed and fixed in 1.0.
The ui is secondary to any features of the core. Ui speed hasnothing to do with the core and is solely a problem with rhe ui code.. any of the other wallets might work better for you. With angular 2.0 it should get faster anyway.
I can buy DOGE too, but that doesn't mean it will ever be worth anything.
I have not analyzed the code so I don't care to speculate on why it's slow, but it IS.
So much is demanded by so many it is clear that this group is impossible to please.
So much is demanded by so many it is clear that this group is impossible to please. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk
Absolutely.....power is decentralized enough to ensure consensus always acts in the interests of the majority of network participants. That mechanism protects one's financial freedom if you have 1 or 1 million BTS.
@xeroc: Everybody else in this thread: Even if we did have a unanimous vote/Poll on new features (or just one feature like blockchain-based HR), we, as shareholders have no power at all to make our "President" do anything. Downvoting him is dumb since he's actually coding (I think), but swaying *what* gets coded... pffft Every line of code should be visible. I've had it with the "big" announcements and all these amazing "business contacts" their PR expert is allegedly getting us. You guys are way more patient than I am. Show me employee accountability and I'll stay here.
Quote from: Thom on May 17, 2015, 04:05:35 pmIt all hinges on the User eXperience. I am very uneasy about this. The team has not demonstrated the innovation and rate of improvement of frontend (UI) development compared with that of the infrastructure / backend. It clearly isn't where their passion lives. However, BM is heading up an exceptional team, and he realizes the importance and difficulty of creating a solid, positive UX.I've always been impressed with the design of the client. Are you referring to the fact that the client is laggy and buggy?
It all hinges on the User eXperience. I am very uneasy about this. The team has not demonstrated the innovation and rate of improvement of frontend (UI) development compared with that of the infrastructure / backend. It clearly isn't where their passion lives. However, BM is heading up an exceptional team, and he realizes the importance and difficulty of creating a solid, positive UX.
I guess bm will not answer any questions.However,I really want he will.
I still believe BM has more integrity than that and he will not acquiesce to KYC & AML pressures.
I just don't get why people want more of the same things in BitShares that already exist in the mainstream, things which are proven to be more centralized, manipulated, corruptible and wealth sucking. If you want those things go back to the mainstream financial world!
and by the way I have also another concern..When will the expired short orders will be filled and the BTS collateral will be released? Are these filled in order of expiry when someone is buying Bitusd at price feed? Does this mean that in order for all the expired orders to release collateral bitusd should fall below usd? What happens if bitusd never falls below usd because of small orders above the bitusd usd peg? Will the collateral from the expired orders remain blocked forever? Can I cover my self one of my expired order somehow?
@triox: please read the OP again. Your post kind of doesn't fit here ..
2) Since we expect some great news, "epic news", where is the buying volume? Why no one is buying and more specifically, why the devs who are so excited about BTS and about what is coming why they don't buy like crazy now? Where are the millions daily volumes we had when everyone was so excited about BTS?
3) Should we expect a fast, professional GUI experience within this year
Tell me what your biggest technical concerns about BitShares are.
ProposalI therefore propose (and ask Bytemaster) to add a TL;DR; (too long; didn'tread) paragraph replying to the biggest concerns of shareholders right at thetop of "the announcement".