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BitShares PTS / Re: Guide to claiming Protoshare investment in new DACs
« on: December 26, 2013, 09:21:44 pm »
1.  Open your Protoshares wallet and open the debug window from the help menu.

2.  Switch from the information tab of the debug window to the console tab.

3.  Type:
     walletpassphrase YourPasswordHere 600

4. Type:
     dumpprivkey YourPTSAddress

5. Note the string of characters output after the last command.  This is your wallet key.  Guard it with your life.

6. Open the new DAC wallet and go to the console tab of the debug window as you did with the PTS wallet.

7. If your new DAC wallet is already locked, type:
     walletpassphrase YourPasswordHere 600

8. Copy your PTS wallet key from the PTS wallet window, and in the new DAC console, type:
     importprivkey YourPTSWalletKeyHere

9. Done.  If your new balance does not show up immediately, you can close and restart the new DAC wallet to rescan and find your balance.

This question might be stupid, but perhaps it isnt:

Say I have installed PTS qt and transferred 10 PTS into it by using the address shown in the "receiving" tab. When I now spend 1 PTS, it is my understanding that the remaining 9 PTS will be sent to another address, also controlled by my wallet ("change"). So I have 9 PTS left and want to claim DAC shares for these. How do I find out the private key of the address these now reside in? The client does not show me in which address they are. Thx!

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BitShares PTS / Re: Couple of newbie questions.
« on: December 26, 2013, 02:46:26 pm »
Hello!

I have a couple of general questions on PTS and Bitshares, maybe someone can help:

1. Since PTS are mined, how did the developers (i.e. Invictus) raise funds from starting PTS? By mining relatively early?
2. Its my understanding that Bitshares are mined as well. How then do PTS lead to a stake in Bitshares, given that these are mined?
3. Will there be different kinds of PTSs for given kind of DACs, and if so, will the current PTSs also also lead to ownership in new PTSs?
4. In the whitepaper I read that different BitAssets are supposed to follow the price of an underlying, e.g. gold. Its not quite clear to me what should make this happen. To me (I am a financial engineer), a BitAsset seems to resemble a financial futures (e.g. on a stock). In the financial world, the price of the future is ultimately tied to that of the underlying be a right to  physical delivery that the futures holder has. This does not seem to be the case for BitAssets, so I wonder what mechanism is supposed to steer the price.

Thanks!
1. Invictus had VC funding before the project, but yes, they do own a lot of PTS too, by
a) Mining early
b) Running an early PTS mine and taking a fee
c) Buying PTS on the open market
d) Selling a founder Keyhotee ID for 10PTS per id

2. BitShares will probably be Proof of Stake. However, the answer to your question is similar to what MemoryCoin 2.0 did, although hopefully a little bit easier (i.e. direct importing of PTS wallet.dat) in that when the genesis block is mined, it will contain the distribution information based on wallet addresses. If you hold the private keys to a given wallet address, then you'll automatically have a stake in BitShares because the genesis block was mined that way.

3. There will only be one PTS but different DACs from Invictus and your PTS will give you a share in all the DACs that honor PTS.

4. BitAssets are not really like financial futures, see <shamelessPlug>http://btcgeek.com/bitshares-guide/</shamelessPlug> - I discuss a lot of frequently asked questions about Bitshares/BitAssets

Hope this helps

Having read the link you listed in 4., I must point out that this does not really make it clear how the price of the BitAsset is supposed to be tied to the underlying (in the critical part of the paper a book is referred). From what I have seen elsewhere (and I do this for a living), there always is some kind of arbitrage opportunity between a derivative and the underlying. In the case of an American option, for example, you can buy the option, exercise it and thus obtain the underlying, if said option is too cheap. In the case of a futures, its the same thing (with the difference that delivery is possible only at maturity, but thats not critical). I think what resembles BitAssets more closely is a prediction market we e.g. see in sports betting, say Betfair.com. Here, you can trade the probability of a particular event occuring, say that Manchester wins against Arsenal. If the traded probability is say too low, you buy the market at say 0.2 and then obtain 1.0 at the end of the match if Manchester really wins. Thats the arbitrage. In the case of BitShares, I do not see that. I am not 100% sure what will happen without such a mechanism, but there would surely be a big opportunity for market manipulation, e.g. driving up the price of the BitAsset to force a short squeeze, thereby inducing more buys, etc.

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BitShares PTS / Re: Couple of newbie questions.
« on: December 26, 2013, 12:27:49 pm »
1) PTS mining was done fairly with equal opportunity for all.  A someone unassociated with Invictus mined the first block.  We have since hired him (Super3), but at the time he did not work for us.

2) Invictus mined like everyone else early on, but the competition was fierce with all of the cloud mining.  Invictus did not mine secretly with 0 competition.

3) Invictus earned PTS in two ways, our mining pool which we ran for the first couple of weeks and through selling Keyhotee Founder IDs.

4) Invictus purchased some PTS

All told, Invictus is probably in the top 5 holders of PTS but we have no idea how much anyone else has.   At the time MMC was released there were a few addresses that had over 30K PTS and I do not believe we have that much PTS sitting at any one address, though I can confirm that we have over 30K PTS.   At the present moment we have about 5% of all PTS mined to date and thus hardly a controlling interest.

5) Invictus was funded with a promise of $575K over 9 months and we have received $200K which has been used to get us to where we are now. The remaining $375K will come in over the months ahead.    While we have almost $1 million worth of PTS they are not very liquid and are the primary way that we can personally profit from the success of our efforts.

6) We have just launched AngelShares which represents our new funding strategy which should allow us to accelerate our development schedule.   

Thanks for that. I did not intend to imply that Invictus has an unfair share, just wanted to understand how things work.

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BitShares PTS / Re: Couple of newbie questions.
« on: December 25, 2013, 10:05:50 pm »
Mhh, that makes quite some difference to the value of Protoshares (factor 5), strange that this is left unclear. Do you know who gets the rest (i.e. 90% or 50%), given that its proof of stake?

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BitShares PTS / Re: Couple of newbie questions.
« on: December 25, 2013, 09:00:48 pm »
Hello!

I have a couple of general questions on PTS and Bitshares, maybe someone can help:

1. Since PTS are mined, how did the developers (i.e. Invictus) raise funds from starting PTS? By mining relatively early?
2. Its my understanding that Bitshares are mined as well. How then do PTS lead to a stake in Bitshares, given that these are mined?
3. Will there be different kinds of PTSs for given kind of DACs, and if so, will the current PTSs also also lead to ownership in new PTSs?
4. In the whitepaper I read that different BitAssets are supposed to follow the price of an underlying, e.g. gold. Its not quite clear to me what should make this happen. To me (I am a financial engineer), a BitAsset seems to resemble a financial futures (e.g. on a stock). In the financial world, the price of the future is ultimately tied to that of the underlying be a right to  physical delivery that the futures holder has. This does not seem to be the case for BitAssets, so I wonder what mechanism is supposed to steer the price.

Thanks!
1. Invictus had VC funding before the project, but yes, they do own a lot of PTS too, by
a) Mining early
b) Running an early PTS mine and taking a fee
c) Buying PTS on the open market
d) Selling a founder Keyhotee ID for 10PTS per id

2. BitShares will probably be Proof of Stake. However, the answer to your question is similar to what MemoryCoin 2.0 did, although hopefully a little bit easier (i.e. direct importing of PTS wallet.dat) in that when the genesis block is mined, it will contain the distribution information based on wallet addresses. If you hold the private keys to a given wallet address, then you'll automatically have a stake in BitShares because the genesis block was mined that way.

3. There will only be one PTS but different DACs from Invictus and your PTS will give you a share in all the DACs that honor PTS.

4. BitAssets are not really like financial futures, see <shamelessPlug>http://btcgeek.com/bitshares-guide/</shamelessPlug> - I discuss a lot of frequently asked questions about Bitshares/BitAssets

Hope this helps

Thats super helpful, thanks vm. As a follow up to 2.: Does that mean that all BitShares will go to PTS holders? I.e. if I own 1% of all PTS, will I also end up owning 1% of all BitShares? Cheers!

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BitShares PTS / Couple of newbie questions.
« on: December 25, 2013, 08:03:35 pm »
Hello!

I have a couple of general questions on PTS and Bitshares, maybe someone can help:

1. Since PTS are mined, how did the developers (i.e. Invictus) raise funds from starting PTS? By mining relatively early?
2. Its my understanding that Bitshares are mined as well. How then do PTS lead to a stake in Bitshares, given that these are mined?
3. Will there be different kinds of PTSs for given kind of DACs, and if so, will the current PTSs also also lead to ownership in new PTSs?
4. In the whitepaper I read that different BitAssets are supposed to follow the price of an underlying, e.g. gold. Its not quite clear to me what should make this happen. To me (I am a financial engineer), a BitAsset seems to resemble a financial futures (e.g. on a stock). In the financial world, the price of the future is ultimately tied to that of the underlying be a right to  physical delivery that the futures holder has. This does not seem to be the case for BitAssets, so I wonder what mechanism is supposed to steer the price.

Thanks!

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