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http://www.theguardian.com/society/2014/oct/03/bet365-profit-china-online-gamblingBet365 is a company with $350 million annual profit and $40 Billion turnover.Quote• Bet365 frequently changes its website addresses in China, thereby side-stepping attempts by local regulators to close sites down.• The company has constructed a complex payments system that allows it to take bets placed using China’s currency, the renminbi.Sure sounds like they would benefit from using DNS & BitCNY.
• Bet365 frequently changes its website addresses in China, thereby side-stepping attempts by local regulators to close sites down.• The company has constructed a complex payments system that allows it to take bets placed using China’s currency, the renminbi.
Quote from: Empirical1.2 on February 02, 2015, 01:59:08 amQuote from: xiahui135 on February 02, 2015, 01:49:55 amIn fact there are several dices in NXT. If we want to do it, then we should make it good. The users should not just the bts holders. It should be on a website as a gateway to attract new blood.Yes it would be good if there was eventually a website too. Where are the NXT dice sites? In the wallet?I had a brief look. http://neodice.com/ It's a UIA in NXT. It says it's currently in beta. It has a CAP of $130 000. Doubt it will be popular as you have to trade your NXT for NEOCHIPS and then you have to deal with the very slow NXT blockchain (by comparison to centralised site.) Seems you might have to wait 4 minutes + to know if you had a winning spin.PangeaPokerIt's another UIA on NXT. It has a CAP of $450 000 even though it is a few months away from launch. Not looked into it more. https://nxtforum.org/nxtventures/pangea-poker/PrivateBetUIA on NXT. A CAP of $70 000. Casino games and P2P sports betting. Also not launched yet might be same people doing NeoDice. Looks like they won funding/auction from Come-From-Beyond to develop it http://nxter.org/privatebet-asset-nxt-ae/I don't know about the poker but I imagine the other games will be incredibly slow compared to centralized options, it also seems they will also require you to use UIA tokens as opposed to NXT. Competitors like NXT are pursuing & working on dice, poker, casino games & P2P sports betting.
Quote from: xiahui135 on February 02, 2015, 01:49:55 amIn fact there are several dices in NXT. If we want to do it, then we should make it good. The users should not just the bts holders. It should be on a website as a gateway to attract new blood.Yes it would be good if there was eventually a website too. Where are the NXT dice sites? In the wallet?
In fact there are several dices in NXT. If we want to do it, then we should make it good. The users should not just the bts holders. It should be on a website as a gateway to attract new blood.
........The developers are getting paid, software is being written. In order to expand the market in my opinion you have to show that Bitshares is safe and regulatable either programmatically or externally depending on what users want. Minebitshares can market BitAssets and the serious games can be built into that but I don't see any reason why we need or require dice or gambling. ...........
Quote from: svk on February 01, 2015, 10:30:05 amI agree with Helikoperben, this is a terrible idea. This kind of thing is better addressed by Play, putting gambling in BTS will just make us look desperate.We are desperate; we are closer to the cliff than you realise.I hate this idea, but sadly a dying person can't pick and choose.
I agree with Helikoperben, this is a terrible idea. This kind of thing is better addressed by Play, putting gambling in BTS will just make us look desperate.
Quote from: Empirical1.2 on February 01, 2015, 06:46:08 pmQuote from: btswildpig on February 01, 2015, 06:43:01 pmQuote from: Empirical1.2 on February 01, 2015, 06:36:42 pmQuote from: btswildpig on February 01, 2015, 05:58:32 pmQuote from: Empirical1.2 on February 01, 2015, 05:51:31 pmQuote from: btswildpig on February 01, 2015, 05:22:40 pmJust one small side note :If this gambling thing is build-in BTS wallet and goes viral , it may hurt the adoption of BitCNY in China . Even lead to the ban of Bitshares in China . So you better hope it's worth the risks . I'll be contacting lawyers to evaluate it . Play is taking a different approach using third party design .Well China is the biggest market atm. So yes that would be very important as well as the legal implications in general.I'm afraid it'll even implicate those individual who provide 1:1 exchange with BitCNY . That's years of sentence in jail .Oh well. That's a pity that BTS probably can't offer it I see some centralized betting companies operate through China and make billions of dollars.http://www.theguardian.com/society/2014/oct/03/bet365-profit-china-online-gamblingQuoteChina is one of the world’s largest online gambling markets despite the government having outlawed betting in all but a few controlled scenarios. Quote• Bet365 frequently changes its website addresses in China, thereby side-stepping attempts by local regulators to close sites down.• The bookmaker has created a large call centre in Stoke staffed by Chinese-speaking workers.• The company has constructed a complex payments system that allows it to take bets placed using China’s currency, the renminbi.QuoteThe Guardian has established that only about half of the £1.3bn the company won from gamblers in 2013 came from countries where bet365 possessed a licence to operate.Quote“There is no legislation that expressly prohibits the supply of remote gambling services into China by operators who are based outside China. Bet365 has no people, assets or infrastructure in China and does not engage any agents, aggregators or intermediaries, for any purpose, in China.“In the view of bet365, and its lawyers, Chinese law does not extend to the provision of services into China by gambling operators and service providers who themselves have no nexus with the territory. Any allegation of illegality on the part of bet365 is therefore untrue.”well , that's the thing , unlike bet365 , many people and groups who works for BTS are in China .Yeah. It's just unfortunate that a DAC is at a disadvantage to a centralized company in this situation. ----Bet365 had $350 million in profit in 2014, attracts millions of users and had $40 Billion wagered.QuotePre-tax profits have risen by more than 44 per cent to £213.8 million – compared to £148 million – as the firm's 2.9 million active users in 2013/14 wagered more than £26 billion.http://www.stokesentinel.co.uk/bet-365-reports-massive-rise-profits-Stoke-Trent/story-21449091-detail/story.htmlyeah , no one cares about decentralized or not for a gambling service , as long as they fee that they can get rich through it .Centralized gambling is not necessary a buzz kill for gambles . On the contrary , many of those centralized gambling sites have crazy volume .
Quote from: btswildpig on February 01, 2015, 06:43:01 pmQuote from: Empirical1.2 on February 01, 2015, 06:36:42 pmQuote from: btswildpig on February 01, 2015, 05:58:32 pmQuote from: Empirical1.2 on February 01, 2015, 05:51:31 pmQuote from: btswildpig on February 01, 2015, 05:22:40 pmJust one small side note :If this gambling thing is build-in BTS wallet and goes viral , it may hurt the adoption of BitCNY in China . Even lead to the ban of Bitshares in China . So you better hope it's worth the risks . I'll be contacting lawyers to evaluate it . Play is taking a different approach using third party design .Well China is the biggest market atm. So yes that would be very important as well as the legal implications in general.I'm afraid it'll even implicate those individual who provide 1:1 exchange with BitCNY . That's years of sentence in jail .Oh well. That's a pity that BTS probably can't offer it I see some centralized betting companies operate through China and make billions of dollars.http://www.theguardian.com/society/2014/oct/03/bet365-profit-china-online-gamblingQuoteChina is one of the world’s largest online gambling markets despite the government having outlawed betting in all but a few controlled scenarios. Quote• Bet365 frequently changes its website addresses in China, thereby side-stepping attempts by local regulators to close sites down.• The bookmaker has created a large call centre in Stoke staffed by Chinese-speaking workers.• The company has constructed a complex payments system that allows it to take bets placed using China’s currency, the renminbi.QuoteThe Guardian has established that only about half of the £1.3bn the company won from gamblers in 2013 came from countries where bet365 possessed a licence to operate.Quote“There is no legislation that expressly prohibits the supply of remote gambling services into China by operators who are based outside China. Bet365 has no people, assets or infrastructure in China and does not engage any agents, aggregators or intermediaries, for any purpose, in China.“In the view of bet365, and its lawyers, Chinese law does not extend to the provision of services into China by gambling operators and service providers who themselves have no nexus with the territory. Any allegation of illegality on the part of bet365 is therefore untrue.”well , that's the thing , unlike bet365 , many people and groups who works for BTS are in China .Yeah. It's just unfortunate that a DAC is at a disadvantage to a centralized company in this situation. ----Bet365 had $350 million in profit in 2014, attracts millions of users and had $40 Billion wagered.QuotePre-tax profits have risen by more than 44 per cent to £213.8 million – compared to £148 million – as the firm's 2.9 million active users in 2013/14 wagered more than £26 billion.http://www.stokesentinel.co.uk/bet-365-reports-massive-rise-profits-Stoke-Trent/story-21449091-detail/story.html
Quote from: Empirical1.2 on February 01, 2015, 06:36:42 pmQuote from: btswildpig on February 01, 2015, 05:58:32 pmQuote from: Empirical1.2 on February 01, 2015, 05:51:31 pmQuote from: btswildpig on February 01, 2015, 05:22:40 pmJust one small side note :If this gambling thing is build-in BTS wallet and goes viral , it may hurt the adoption of BitCNY in China . Even lead to the ban of Bitshares in China . So you better hope it's worth the risks . I'll be contacting lawyers to evaluate it . Play is taking a different approach using third party design .Well China is the biggest market atm. So yes that would be very important as well as the legal implications in general.I'm afraid it'll even implicate those individual who provide 1:1 exchange with BitCNY . That's years of sentence in jail .Oh well. That's a pity that BTS probably can't offer it I see some centralized betting companies operate through China and make billions of dollars.http://www.theguardian.com/society/2014/oct/03/bet365-profit-china-online-gamblingQuoteChina is one of the world’s largest online gambling markets despite the government having outlawed betting in all but a few controlled scenarios. Quote• Bet365 frequently changes its website addresses in China, thereby side-stepping attempts by local regulators to close sites down.• The bookmaker has created a large call centre in Stoke staffed by Chinese-speaking workers.• The company has constructed a complex payments system that allows it to take bets placed using China’s currency, the renminbi.QuoteThe Guardian has established that only about half of the £1.3bn the company won from gamblers in 2013 came from countries where bet365 possessed a licence to operate.Quote“There is no legislation that expressly prohibits the supply of remote gambling services into China by operators who are based outside China. Bet365 has no people, assets or infrastructure in China and does not engage any agents, aggregators or intermediaries, for any purpose, in China.“In the view of bet365, and its lawyers, Chinese law does not extend to the provision of services into China by gambling operators and service providers who themselves have no nexus with the territory. Any allegation of illegality on the part of bet365 is therefore untrue.”well , that's the thing , unlike bet365 , many people and groups who works for BTS are in China .
Quote from: btswildpig on February 01, 2015, 05:58:32 pmQuote from: Empirical1.2 on February 01, 2015, 05:51:31 pmQuote from: btswildpig on February 01, 2015, 05:22:40 pmJust one small side note :If this gambling thing is build-in BTS wallet and goes viral , it may hurt the adoption of BitCNY in China . Even lead to the ban of Bitshares in China . So you better hope it's worth the risks . I'll be contacting lawyers to evaluate it . Play is taking a different approach using third party design .Well China is the biggest market atm. So yes that would be very important as well as the legal implications in general.I'm afraid it'll even implicate those individual who provide 1:1 exchange with BitCNY . That's years of sentence in jail .Oh well. That's a pity that BTS probably can't offer it I see some centralized betting companies operate through China and make billions of dollars.http://www.theguardian.com/society/2014/oct/03/bet365-profit-china-online-gamblingQuoteChina is one of the world’s largest online gambling markets despite the government having outlawed betting in all but a few controlled scenarios. Quote• Bet365 frequently changes its website addresses in China, thereby side-stepping attempts by local regulators to close sites down.• The bookmaker has created a large call centre in Stoke staffed by Chinese-speaking workers.• The company has constructed a complex payments system that allows it to take bets placed using China’s currency, the renminbi.QuoteThe Guardian has established that only about half of the £1.3bn the company won from gamblers in 2013 came from countries where bet365 possessed a licence to operate.Quote“There is no legislation that expressly prohibits the supply of remote gambling services into China by operators who are based outside China. Bet365 has no people, assets or infrastructure in China and does not engage any agents, aggregators or intermediaries, for any purpose, in China.“In the view of bet365, and its lawyers, Chinese law does not extend to the provision of services into China by gambling operators and service providers who themselves have no nexus with the territory. Any allegation of illegality on the part of bet365 is therefore untrue.”
Quote from: Empirical1.2 on February 01, 2015, 05:51:31 pmQuote from: btswildpig on February 01, 2015, 05:22:40 pmJust one small side note :If this gambling thing is build-in BTS wallet and goes viral , it may hurt the adoption of BitCNY in China . Even lead to the ban of Bitshares in China . So you better hope it's worth the risks . I'll be contacting lawyers to evaluate it . Play is taking a different approach using third party design .Well China is the biggest market atm. So yes that would be very important as well as the legal implications in general.I'm afraid it'll even implicate those individual who provide 1:1 exchange with BitCNY . That's years of sentence in jail .
Quote from: btswildpig on February 01, 2015, 05:22:40 pmJust one small side note :If this gambling thing is build-in BTS wallet and goes viral , it may hurt the adoption of BitCNY in China . Even lead to the ban of Bitshares in China . So you better hope it's worth the risks . I'll be contacting lawyers to evaluate it . Play is taking a different approach using third party design .Well China is the biggest market atm. So yes that would be very important as well as the legal implications in general.
Just one small side note :If this gambling thing is build-in BTS wallet and goes viral , it may hurt the adoption of BitCNY in China . Even lead to the ban of Bitshares in China . So you better hope it's worth the risks . I'll be contacting lawyers to evaluate it . Play is taking a different approach using third party design .
China is one of the world’s largest online gambling markets despite the government having outlawed betting in all but a few controlled scenarios.
• Bet365 frequently changes its website addresses in China, thereby side-stepping attempts by local regulators to close sites down.• The bookmaker has created a large call centre in Stoke staffed by Chinese-speaking workers.• The company has constructed a complex payments system that allows it to take bets placed using China’s currency, the renminbi.
The Guardian has established that only about half of the £1.3bn the company won from gamblers in 2013 came from countries where bet365 possessed a licence to operate.
“There is no legislation that expressly prohibits the supply of remote gambling services into China by operators who are based outside China. Bet365 has no people, assets or infrastructure in China and does not engage any agents, aggregators or intermediaries, for any purpose, in China.“In the view of bet365, and its lawyers, Chinese law does not extend to the provision of services into China by gambling operators and service providers who themselves have no nexus with the territory. Any allegation of illegality on the part of bet365 is therefore untrue.”
Pre-tax profits have risen by more than 44 per cent to £213.8 million – compared to £148 million – as the firm's 2.9 million active users in 2013/14 wagered more than £26 billion.
Quote from: sumantso on February 01, 2015, 02:16:28 pmQuote from: svk on February 01, 2015, 10:30:05 amI agree with Helikoperben, this is a terrible idea. This kind of thing is better addressed by Play, putting gambling in BTS will just make us look desperate.We are desperate; we are closer to the cliff than you realise.I hate this idea, but sadly a dying person can't pick and choose.I disagree, I think we're looking better than ever with a product that's finally close to the state it should have been in at launch. If you really think we're about to fall off a cliff, feel free to enlighten us.There's been lots of positive developments lately like Shapeshift and the arrival of serious Chinese delegates that make me optimistic about the future. The light wallet is another one that will help take us to the next level, we just need to focus on what Bitshares does and optimize the hell out of it, no need to expand the scope of what Bitshares is.
Can this be done externally on a website with provably fair methods?
I agree with Empirical here all around. And I would think the best option would be to make a separate client that's focused solely on gambling. It would probably be too much to combine investing and gambling into the same client. By splitting the two then everyone can be happy and "hardcore serious investors" never have to step foot in the "BTS Casino" if they so wish.Add-on features could work as well if we don't want to end up with split software fragments.Quote from: svk on February 01, 2015, 10:30:05 amThis kind of thing is better addressed by Play.Not all of us were AGS/PTS holders, and thus not all of us hold all that big of stake in Play. Hell I'm sure there's plenty of people who bought into BTS after the Play snapshot and therefore have no stake at all. We can't just allow what is essentially a competitor to gobble up one of the most lucrative markets on the planet and be okay with it because "some" of us were lucky enough to have bought in early.
This kind of thing is better addressed by Play.
I just heard the new mumble hangout and it is really funny. It seems everyone is concerned about legal stuff. So if you US goverment is Blockchain technology is branding as illegal you are stoping to use BitShares?So this said i like the idear in general but i don't get Satoshi Dice at all. What do you do on this kind of site? It looks not fun in my opinion.I am thinking about this game a lot and it would be great to see something similar in our client.first: we all like competition, so i want to have a competitive gamesecond: we all like to win money!third: i hate to much luckso i propose this game idea here and would like if bytemaster and co will include it into the client- The delegates will produce random numbers- the game will start with a small jackpot of, lets say 10 bitUSD- if i want to play i have to spend .10 bitUSD or so- one game will run for 1 day - in this day all paid fees will add to the jackpotso the setup of the game is this:- the delegates produce random numbers - lets say 84, 11 , 22- i have to play 10 rounds- every round i get 2 numbers and one is lost - at the same time i get "+" or "-" or "/" or "*" from the delegates as well- my goal is to connect the numbers and the +,-,*,/ in a way in 10 rounds that the end number is as high as possible- i will get in the highscore and the first 30% of the highscore will get the moneythis is only a rough idea, but we could implement games who are not depends on luck only and in most restrictions this is legal.
this summer
I agree with Helikoperben, this is a terrible idea. This kind of thing is better addressed by Play, putting gambling in BTS will just make us look desperate.There are far better things to focus on, number one being the performance of the full node client.Getting that performance to a state where PCs with mechanical hard drives can use it would go a long way to increasing adoption. As of right now we have a killer product that's exclusive to people with SSDs, so it's no wonder adoption is lagging.We also badly need documentation in order for 3rd parties to come in and start expanding the ecosystem.
I prefer sort of an adds-on features, you may select to add and can be removed as well.
Gambling and investment are generally deemed to be polar opposites. You are going to lose the investment crowd if you introduce gambling directly into the trading interface. Bitgold, in and of itself, is a game changer. No one has yet to figure out how to make a genuinely digital currency that can maintain a peg to the price of gold without third party risk, until now. That alone is a solution the world has never seen. This product is so profound that, if done right and secured, will have ramifications throughout the world. Market pegged assets should be the focus. I doubt any competitor will be able to compete, even with open source code. If the focus is on building and securing the system, then you should have no problem with adoption.
I tend to disagree with this comparison to bitcoin getting it's foothold thanks to gambling justification. That was a LONG time ago in Internet years. this is a new age now, filled with far more regulations that have caught up. The average Internet user is more sophisticated now compared to back then.I understand the economic benefits to some people with this... but if that is what we have to show front and center in a showroom, then the real magic of bitshares is going to be lost and detracted from. We need more user cases. We need success stories in the ecosystem. Everything is so new and everyone expects it all to just take off overnight, but that's just not how it happens. There is a tipping point.. and as we keep on bringing on useful things that compliment the DPOS ecosystem there will come a point where it just takes off and discussions like this will not be held in the light of being some kind of Monorail savior to bitshares. Lets be frank though. This is not something for bitshares to develop anyways. If there is a 3rd party gaming entity that wants to use the bitshares platform for their transactions there is nothing stopping them. So for all those pro-gamblers, instead of just talking about it here, you could be reaching out to various gaming places that currently user bitcoin.. include your refer id! talk with them about how they could get first mover advantage. For OPs proposal.. sounds like a great third party project to pursue, but the client is not where it belongs. You got plenty of other channels to utilize for advertising and for the game to work through your own client or web based. If it's to be distributed, yes, it would involve running a DAC. At the end of the day, putting a slot machine right at the same counter where you go to get your banking or investments done is just so disassociated from anything anybody has ever used it makes no sense... unless we are now making the wallet for the purpose of scooting into the casino to gamble... then thats how most will perceive this to be.
“This is groundbreaking for high rollers who want a lot of action but haven’t been able to bet as much as they would want due to the cost of transferring large amounts of currency to online betting sites. Online sportsbooks can’t take very large credit card deposits as the risk of fraud is too high. These risks don’t exist with bitcoin. It’s a very elegant solution.” said Dennis Laudrup, Head of Marketing at Cloudbet. Cloudbet is also expecting its new limits will encourage a number of high stakes bettors who are unfamiliar with bitcoin to consider its potential.
The question being asked by those using Bitcoin for gambling is whether the declining or volatile nature of the currency is worth the stress. The punter who uses the virtual coinage may be thinking they have won at the casino or card room but have lost on the currency value. This may impact the volume of bets placed with Bitcoin at online gambling sites that offer the coins as fair trade. The following of the ups and downs of the money for the online gambling operators must be a constant threat to profitability and sustainable growth
Quote from: Helikopterben on February 01, 2015, 01:25:21 amI have always thought of crypto projects as a "you build it, they will come" model. Look how far bitcoin has come with no (or very little) marketing in the beginning stages, and arguably negative marketing with the allegations of ponzi scheme, beanie babies, tulip bulbs, terrorism, child pornography, ect, ect, ect. Marketing at this stage is largely unecessary. Agree largely with what you are saying, except I would argue that it was mining that was actually a huge and expensive marketing effort for BTC
I have always thought of crypto projects as a "you build it, they will come" model. Look how far bitcoin has come with no (or very little) marketing in the beginning stages, and arguably negative marketing with the allegations of ponzi scheme, beanie babies, tulip bulbs, terrorism, child pornography, ect, ect, ect. Marketing at this stage is largely unecessary.
I have always thought of crypto projects as a "you build it, they will come" model. Look how far bitcoin has come with no (or very little) marketing in the beginning stages, and arguably negative marketing with the allegations of ponzi scheme, beanie babies, tulip bulbs, terrorism, child pornography, ect, ect, ect. Marketing at this stage is largely unecessary. /rant
This is a bad idea. Professional investors and traders want to be able to go to a site like this and manage their accounts. They will be turned off if they see a tab for candy crush. IMO, if bitshares is to be a replacement for the nasdaq, then this should be the end result: to have a professional trading site where end users have complete control over their assets with as much security as possible. I realize getting this right is tricky and will take time, but distractions such as these games are unnecessary. I have always thought of crypto projects as a "you build it, they will come" model. Look how far bitcoin has come with no (or very little) marketing in the beginning stages, and arguably negative marketing with the allegations of ponzi scheme, beanie babies, tulip bulbs, terrorism, child pornography, ect, ect, ect. Marketing at this stage is largely unecessary. IMO you guys are panicking because the price is down and you put too much emphasis on your ranking on coinmarketcap. Bitshares adoption and price is naturally progressing at a nice pace. Going from essentially 0 to to a market cap of $25 mil in 1.5 years is phenomenal, and the project is nowhere near ready for mainstream yet. Yes it hit $100 mil and corrected, but that is completely normal for a market and cannot be avoided. Just look at early charts of Microsoft or Apple. They had many rallies followed by long, drawn out corrections. Everyone knows how volatile bitcoin has been over the years. Markets move in cycles and IMO we are near the bottom of a cycle in crypto right now. Prices and adoption should begin to rise and along with it more investment and higher pay for delegates. This technology is too important for you guys to get distracted and not focus on the big picture. Bitshares has the potential to be a global game-changer. Don't get frustrated by a down cycle and start thinking that something is wrong or that silly games need to be added to the trading interface. Perhaps build a separate client for games and gambling or another chain if possible, but keep bitshares as a pristine, trust-minimized value storage and transfer network. I have personally given my investment in this 2 years to show good progress because I realize Rome wasn't built in a day and it is going to take time to make this happen. Ignor all the negativity and focus on the task at had. The global implications of this project are too important./rant
Quote from: nomoreheroes7 on January 31, 2015, 01:38:14 amQuote from: fuzzy on January 31, 2015, 01:10:23 amWhat if a % of the funds used to "gamble" using this were actually "burned"? Lol instead of " house always wins"...the shareholders would be the true winners. Sounds like a great idea to me.That's a fanastic idea!!! I like it!!!
Quote from: fuzzy on January 31, 2015, 01:10:23 amWhat if a % of the funds used to "gamble" using this were actually "burned"? Lol instead of " house always wins"...the shareholders would be the true winners. Sounds like a great idea to me.
What if a % of the funds used to "gamble" using this were actually "burned"?
Quote from: fluxer555 on January 31, 2015, 06:53:56 pmQuote from: hpenvy2 on January 31, 2015, 05:28:21 pm* Put it in the blockchain* Allow the games section to toggle on and off* Toggle it off by defaultOr, just release a different wallet that accesses that part of the blockchainI like that solution as well. As long as it put in the blockchain, I'm happy.
Quote from: hpenvy2 on January 31, 2015, 05:28:21 pm* Put it in the blockchain* Allow the games section to toggle on and off* Toggle it off by defaultOr, just release a different wallet that accesses that part of the blockchain
* Put it in the blockchain* Allow the games section to toggle on and off* Toggle it off by default
By most accounts, gambling represents between 50 and 60 percent of all Bitcoin transactions.
this is what bitshares play working on, I suppose. What I concern is that whether bitCNY or BitUSD can cross chain so that we can play with bitCNY or USD.
As soon as scripting is added to BitShares, you can code any kind of gambling game you want into the blockchain, and no regulations apply.