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cass:
--- Quote from: bytemaster on February 16, 2014, 10:01:46 pm ---Thanks for posting. Like you I do not see ethereum as a competitor, except in the realm of attention of the community.
We have different visions. I have great respect for Charles skills at business development and that was the intent of my post.
I wish you the best.
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indeed me too
bytemaster:
Thanks for posting. Like you I do not see ethereum as a competitor, except in the realm of attention of the community.
We have different visions. I have great respect for Charles skills at business development and that was the intent of my post.
I wish you the best.
bitcool:
+5% x20
charleshoskinson:
--- Quote ---I am sure you know better whats good. What appears in my head though is: Why dont you try to settle the case with Charles personally aiming at peace not mostly in business terms but in personal terms? Also making a statement (together with Charles) to the Bitcoin community about what happened what be great even though it is not the easiest way.
If you say you wanna make a statement about all that he might be willing to talk to you.
Also the mess (read the thrad on bitcoin talk where you are both being not very nice towards each other) is bad for BOTH of you. Right now mostly for I3, later on when I3 got of the ground (and the outlaw status didnt hurt the adaption) Charles might look like the one that tried to come up with something random for revenge. So you would both profit from getting over your personal disappointments.
On the one side I aggree the most innovative technology will win. On the other side strong personal connections give you a lot and mostly dont cost anything. In Berlin I heard big money investors wanting to go into bitcoin talk about Ethereum without having a sophisticated understanding of the matter.
A lot of people have great talent and people develope amazing momentum when they are given trust in advance and feel valued. Inviting the wider Bitcoin comunity to participate in Bitshares / I3 can be another way to compensate the lack discussed above. How would that work? I dont know. Posting more on Bitcointalk, having an own Bitshares thread? What else?
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I figure I'd drop by for a bit to give my two cents. I helped start Invictus Innovations and had a great time building the foundations with Dan, Stan and Bo. There is no bad blood on my side and whatever differences we have are now in the domain of strategy and vision, yet Ethereum isn't a competitor of Invictus in my mind and I hope Invictus views us in the same light. We are both doing research in this space to bring cryptocurrencies into the next generation and we both share common regulatory and legal challenges in terms of smart property and the relationship of DAOs to their respective jurisdictions.
I suppose it may be great fun to speculate on hidden motives, post some Q&A videos or attempt to infer some sort of behind the curtain drama, but honestly we are all pioneers in a new field trying to make the world a better place, all of our contributions are open sourced and we are all vetted by the free market's needs in the end. Under these constraints, it seems to make more sense to just cooperate and build great things together.
Good Luck all +5%
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santaclause102:
--- Quote from: bytemaster on February 14, 2014, 08:32:10 pm ---
--- Quote from: delulo on February 14, 2014, 05:33:25 pm ---Mastercoin and Ethereum marketing is not better than Bitshares marketing! Their presence comes from personal involvement with these "elites". They are not elites in terms of knowledge / understanding more in monetary terms and even more in terms of being well connected... Reciprocity... "I give you something - you give me something". That's how making business works.
Geting some Bit Angel Investors on board might help in many terms (promoting Bitshares within these circles and promotion to the masses).
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I think you hit the nail on the head here. These guys are all friends / insiders in the bitcoin community where as we are seen as outsiders. They get a lot of buzz because of personal connections that we do not have and building these connections is a full time job.
I have actually talked with the BitAngles, presented our plans to their organization, met with David, etc. There seems to be some kind of frequency mismatch that keeps them from getting on board with what we are doing.
There is also an undercurrent of Charles Hoskinson who is VERY good at doing these kinds of deals, networking, and getting people on his side. When he was with Invictus his skills in this regard were most impressive. As you can tell from various interviews Charles is actively attempting to outcompete Invictus with a new product and thus working all of his connections behind the scenes to side with Ethereum and downplay Invictus.
From my conversations with people wearing Ethereum t-shirts in Miami it appears many are supporting the project due to friendships that are entirely independent of technical merits. They don't understand it, its limits, or its strength but they have bought into the reality distortion field that I use to joke with Charles about. The reality distortion field is strong with this one.
Despite the hype, these projects lack technical merit and are economically flawed. In the free market you can only survive so long on hype before market forces kick in.
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I am sure you know better whats good. What appears in my head though is: Why dont you try to settle the case with Charles personally aiming at peace not mostly in business terms but in personal terms? Also making a statement (together with Charles) to the Bitcoin community about what happened what be great even though it is not the easiest way.
If you say you wanna make a statement about all that he might be willing to talk to you.
Also the mess (read the thrad on bitcoin talk where you are both being not very nice towards each other) is bad for BOTH of you. Right now mostly for I3, later on when I3 got of the ground (and the outlaw status didnt hurt the adaption) Charles might look like the one that tried to come up with something random for revenge. So you would both profit from getting over your personal disappointments.
On the one side I aggree the most innovative technology will win. On the other side strong personal connections give you a lot and mostly dont cost anything. In Berlin I heard big money investors wanting to go into bitcoin talk about Ethereum without having a sofisticated understanding of the matter.
A lot of people have great talent and people develope amazing momentum when they are given trust in advance and feel valued. Inviting the wider Bitcoin comunity to participate in Bitshares / I3 can be another way to compensate the lack discussed above. How would that work? I dont know. Posting more on Bitcointalk, having an own Bitshares thread? What else?
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