In the rest of the world the price you need to pay for ANY crypto is the price on exchange and the exchange rate from fiat to crypto.
Why is the price of any crypto in the world not the real price including the exchange rate ?

The answer because markets can't add the cost of exchange rate from any gateway and therefor they list only the market price.
If you pay a 1% ,3% ,5% or -2% gateway fee thats your choice.

I would like also to ask to stop following bitcrab blindly because its annoying seeing people with the same question which clearly try to enforce his agenda.
Use your own mind instead of following someone blindly

The result of your request (bitcrabs agenda) would be that we would have no more arbitrage for margin calls.

What is there interresting ?
After the revive some people are moving back to bitusd as there are some opportunities on assets against bitusd.
Myself included.

Quote from: Thul3 on April 26, 2019, 01:28:07 pm

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surely users will borrow more, no doubt.

smartcoin lost some reputation because the GS of bitUSD, and because smartcoin is always in shortage, not because GS protection or margin call orders. some margin call orders stay there is not a problem.

Smartcoin lost their reputation because of Bsip42 and your OMO fund which leaded into a GS.BitCNY would be also in the GS if there would be no protection.It was you who drove them both in that situation with your permanent ignorace of other voices forcing everyone to push only your own point of view.
I didn't saw much action from you when bitcny was near gs.It was basicly fav and some other people trying to safe the ship.
People left smartcoins because it was your past actions which took their investment hostage and made that their CR wen't from 1.75 to under 1.1 where they lost majority of their investment to cheap buyers.Would the system have worked as it should they would have safed a lot of their investments.

The question here is not if somebody is going to borrow more but which timing will have a way better positive effect.
Your solution is clearly a waste of the reduce of MCR.

More important you said yourself in the past that you don't care about other opinions but only to achieve your own personal targets.
You even went so far to use ZB's wallet to vote for your own agenda which is very unethical and which is clearly against majority of community will.

Your past 12 months actions were ALL A TOTAL DISTASTER

You are like a grasshopper jumping from one shit into another shit.

Your OMO fund a total disaster costing the community millions and millions of BTS and reducing the value of BTS massivly.
Your BSIP42 causing the GS and massiv reputation loss.Part of community left because they lost nearly everything thanks to your BS BSIP42.
Your smartcoin bounty fund.You created it and just left it.We wasted nearly 2 million BTS for Biki and LAtoken .

These are the results of your past actions.

Now you are wasting a one time possibility to reduce MCR from 1.75 to 1.6 in a downtrend for what ?

Explain to me where is your issue waiting 1- 1 1/2 months ?

Where do you see the massiv amount of benefit reducing the MCR right at the moment risking that it effect will be marginal ?


And to be more clear i joined as proxy to protect the community and get the best out of bitshares also when it means to accept other point of views if they make sense.

You instead are accepting no other opinion and are so much dedicated to force your own point of view that you even go unethical ways.

Should this not stop i will go the same way as you do to protect the investors funds which you have no right to put in risk like you did in the past.

Also the voting would be not approved would you not use your shady tactics which i won't tolarate anymore.

I accepted you for a long time but forcing everyone to always accept only your own personal point of view using diffrent kind of shady actions ends to get any support of mine.

Also your defamation tactics on people like witnesses who doesn't change their settings to your personal favorised one won't be just ignored by me anymore.

The failure of bisp42 is due to the witness's wrong execution mode. The idea was originally completely correct.

I guess the OMO fund which has been margin called was also witnesses mistakes ?That somebody reduced himself the CR from 4 to under 2 ?
Did you even watched what it caused ?
It caused that people took away they big buy orders knowing the price will massivly drop thanks to these big margin walls which haven't been eaten at all.

A good example it brother-john who took all his big buy orders at 0.6 cny away putting them back in at 0.22 or 0.23 .
Thats a result of his actions.The OMO fund instead of supporting BTS price and creating liquidity was taking surpressing the BTS price and actually taking away liquidity.

A BSIP42 causing that no margin calls have been eaten causing that all margin calls which entered under 1.75 were taken hostage and went all the way down under a CR of 1.1 where these investors you can say lost their whole investment thanks to your risky experiments .

Would the system work as it is supposed they would have safed majority of their investment and would have taken later new debt.

Now thanks to Bitcrabs action from the past BTS is getting more and ore centralised to people who don't take debt like brother-john.

Bitcrab is always looking for new shitty solutions for issues he created himself.


Now he wants new debt.........but it was basicly him who made tons of debt holders lose majority of their investment and surpressed the BTS price and by doing so the amount of debt by using the OMO fund in his own way against community consensus and worker proposal to buy at the end his own debt at a high BTS price using the OMO fund.

surely users will borrow more, no doubt.

smartcoin lost some reputation because the GS of bitUSD, and because smartcoin is always in shortage, not because GS protection or margin call orders. some margin call orders stay there is not a problem.

Smartcoin lost their reputation because of Bsip42 and your OMO fund which leaded into a GS.BitCNY would be also in the GS if there would be no protection.It was you who drove them both in that situation with your permanent ignorace of other voices forcing everyone to push only your own point of view.
I didn't saw much action from you when bitcny was near gs.It was basicly fav and some other people trying to safe the ship.
People left smartcoins because it was your past actions which took their investment hostage and made that their CR wen't from 1.75 to under 1.1 where they lost majority of their investment to cheap buyers.Would the system have worked as it should they would have safed a lot of their investments.

The question here is not if somebody is going to borrow more but which timing will have a way better positive effect.
Your solution is clearly a waste of the reduce of MCR.

More important you said yourself in the past that you don't care about other opinions but only to achieve your own personal targets.
You even went so far to use ZB's wallet to vote for your own agenda which is very unethical and which is clearly against majority of community will.

Your past 12 months actions were ALL A TOTAL DISTASTER

You are like a grasshopper jumping from one shit into another shit.

Your OMO fund a total disaster costing the community millions and millions of BTS and reducing the value of BTS massivly.
Your BSIP42 causing the GS and massiv reputation loss.Part of community left because they lost nearly everything thanks to your BS BSIP42.
Your smartcoin bounty fund.You created it and just left it.We wasted nearly 2 million BTS for Biki and LAtoken .

These are the results of your past actions.

Now you are wasting a one time possibility to reduce MCR from 1.75 to 1.6 in a downtrend for what ?

Explain to me where is your issue waiting 1- 1 1/2 months ?

Where do you see the massiv amount of benefit reducing the MCR right at the moment risking that it effect will be marginal ?


And to be more clear i joined as proxy to protect the community and get the best out of bitshares also when it means to accept other point of views if they make sense.

You instead are accepting no other opinion and are so much dedicated to force your own point of view that you even go unethical ways.

Should this not stop i will go the same way as you do to protect the investors funds which you have no right to put in risk like you did in the past.

Also the voting would be not approved would you not use your shady tactics which i won't tolarate anymore.

I accepted you for a long time but forcing everyone to always accept only your own personal point of view using diffrent kind of shady actions ends to get any support of mine.

Also your defamation tactics on people like witnesses who doesn't change their settings to your personal favorised one won't be just ignored by me anymore.

Quote from: Thul3 on April 25, 2019, 09:02:02 pm

You guys decreased the amount of active witnesses from 23 to 19 .Its a big harm to the bitshares network as it took ages to get us good witnesses.
I would like to ask to add some more witness votes to get us back more active witnesses so they won't leave us.

Who are you recommending? Do they support our efforts to bring a new path of success to bitshares? We have especially been looking for support in our efforts to stop censorship of the BEOS project  in the Bitshares Dex Telegram channel.

So you are going only to support witnesses who will fully support you and are not allowed to have another point of view?

Because i still think

openledger-dc,magicwallet.witness ,witness.yao,witness.still  were very decent witnesses.
If they support BEOS i have no clue but decreasing the amount of witnesses to 19 now 21 is nothing positiv in the longrun in my opinion

Would you vote for a witness and committee member who uses BTS from an exchange wallet to vote only for 2 witnesses for the entire bitshares ecosystem ?


Bitcrab is currently voting with the BTS in ZB's wallet that the whole bitshares ecosystem should only have 2 witnesses in total.


Is he doing a good job with that voting ?

You guys decreased the amount of active witnesses from 23 to 19 .Its a big harm to the bitshares network as it took ages to get us good witnesses.
I would like to ask to add some more witness votes to get us back more active witnesses so they won't leave us.

Since you have get the bounty, is there a timeline for listing? Thanks.

Does it mean Committee approved payment for LAtoken or even for the bigger shitty exchange IDCM ?
If yes i would like to know which committee member signed for it.

Congrats to throwing out funds for horse shit.
Seeing all the big amount proposals now coming to get voted in i would love to know how you want to pay for any decent exchange.