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Here is what I have implemented as an intermediate step:

1) If delegates publish a feed, then the feed will be used rather than the average.  In this way if there is a service interruption on the feed, then the network can still function like it does today.

2) This puts the "shareholders" in control over whether to use feed or average.

3) I have restricted the creation/execution of new shorts to the median / average price.

Result... those who have USD have priority in selling over those who would like to short.   This adds liquidity for those with USD by removing competition from those looking to short. 

Next we are going to open up a second bitasset so that "short demand" can spread between two BitAssets and the bitassets can trade against one another. 

I believe this should implement your proposal without the arb. bot.   

what happens if you publish a feed but don't update it?

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BM, can you answer my question about whether there is an equivalent thing or person that performs the function of the arb bot that you described, as part of the structure of the stock market other than just traders?  This is for my education please.

As part of the structure of a "market" not that I am aware, but I think you can view it like a business.

We all know that if the market peg holds then every deviation from the peg is a profit opportunity.  We all expect someone to perform the role of providing liquidity.  How do we expect these individuals to do that job?   If a DAC hard-codes business rules into a blockchain, and we all know that providing liquidity is a profit generating business, then we can encode the same rules that a trader would execute into a blockchain and the network can make money the same way.

The benefit a trader has is they can maintain a dynamic spread, increasing/decreasing as necessary to account for volatility.  I think that if you hard-code a bot with very wide buy/sell prices around a trusted feed then the bot would almost never execute, but everyone would "feel better" just knowing it is there to back things up.

Thank you because it sounds like the bot would be performing a little bit like a market maker in the stock market but I'm not that clear on it all.  I do have a concern about what good it would do given that we expect to have other markets/exchanges.  If their is a demand for the pricing/transaction that we we are trying to limit, it may just move elsewhere.  Maybe that's okay or maybe it's not.  Just something to consider.


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don't hurry. it is to early to make a decision.

it is normal that in the beginning every one expects that btsx is rising, but maybe in the future everything will balance out. the importent thing is - 1 bitUSD == 1 USD

Yep... the price is holding up fairly well thus far.

BM, can you answer my question about whether there is an equivalent thing or person that performs the function of the arb bot that you described, as part of the structure of the stock market other than just traders?  This is for my education please.

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Is their a real-world equivalent of this bot?  Not being that knowledgeable about exchanges and market, it might be more palatable if there is an existing exchange function in the real world performing the equivalent function that you could explain. To the lay it just sounds like price controls.

The real world equivalent of this bot is what provides the ultimate peg for BitUSD to USD.   I would gladly run such a bot myself, but these bots require capital and early on no one wants to take the risk.    Coding something into the network that we expect people outside the network to do merely provides liquidity and enforces the peg.  If you do it right the market maker in the network would eventually no longer be competitive with the market makers outside the network and thus its price targets would never get hit. 

In fact you could "pretend" such a market maker exists right now with a spread that is wider than the current BitUSD/USD peg.  It hasn't hit so you don't even see its involvement.    So all we are ultimately talking about is decreasing the spread of the current "imaginary" market maker.

What I meant was is their something or someone performing this function in other exchanges?  Like the stock exchange etc..?

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Is their a real-world equivalent of this bot?  Not being that knowledgeable about exchanges and market, it might be more palatable if there is an existing exchange function in the real world performing the equivalent function that you could explain. To the lay it just sounds like price controls.


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I'm just trying to wonder how all these price controls will help once your BitUSD escapes into the wild, exchanges, businesses etc...won't any discount/premium just be transferred their if it's controlled within BitShares?

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+5% Great interview!

I don't think Brian was ideal for marketing BitShares within the alt-coin demographic early on, but now that it's getting to the stage where it can go mainstream, especially after listening to that interview, I think you'd struggle to find someone better. Very exciting!

What impressed me was the realization, correct in my view, that it's time to reach out beyond just typical crypto marketing techniques and learning from and using top of the shelf internet marketing folks.

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I get an assert exception trying to publish  feed.

as I see your delegate is not active... thats why.... (it is standby) :(

Strange.  Not sure why.  Maybe BM can get me back in.

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Since 0.4.9, I've been completely unable to access the BitUSD market... I can only guess as to what is happeing, but it sounds like BitUSD is getting heavily shorted.

I have a possible explanation: It would appear the BTSX market has bottomed, and many traders feel that a strong rebound in price is now imminent. The Chinese have been calling for 0.18 CNY for days, and their target has finally been hit. It's an important technical level, and strong support has been shown. It seems to me that traders with a high level of confidence in a large price increase seem determined to short at almost any price, and people just can't place bids fast enough to keep up with it. We just don't have enough players in the game -- yet.

It's speculation of course, but I wanted to mention this so that people can see there isn't necessarily anything "wrong" with the way the market is operating -- we just need more people to be active in this market. This doesn't happen overnight, especially with the technical issues we've seen. With more participants, I can't see why the peg wouldn't hold.

After the wallet is working better, I am sure all will be well in time. I have every bit of confidence that these bugs in the wallet will be ironed out, so I'm not too concerned about that.

For sure, the wallet issus are affecting the market.  Not sure if it should really be operating when it seems that many people can't access it.  I was using it all the time but have spent the last day it seems trying to get a working wallet.  0.4.9a is still 17 days behind and going SLOW and crashes when I try to do things in the console or check my delegate...Can't be surprised to see perverse effects as a result.  My only question is if this is an accident or part of someone's plan?  I also see some perverse pricing in bter. 

When you spend time trying to move in and out out BTSX, BitUSD and BTC or USD, you eventually feel like you are moving in a circle.  That's why we need to get stable and in more exchanges so that there are more options for people.  "One" can only control so many things.  Easiest if you are limited in your options.

Either the testing and/or change/release mgmt. is bad or maybe there is something intentional going on.  Maybe the market should be paused?

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I get an assert exception trying to publish  feed.

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any particular reason that I have been voted out?

(mine too) look like a bunch of inits were brought in

Me as well.

Please vote me back in.

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General Discussion / Re: Here we go again....4.9 version not working....
« on: August 28, 2014, 07:07:36 pm »
I added this and got more connections:

network_set_advanced_node_parameters { "peer_connection_retry_timeout": 30, "desired_number_of_connections": 50, "maximum_number_of_connections": 200 }

Not sure if it helped or placebo effect.  :)

but it also started crashing after that.... :'(


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General Discussion / Re: Here we go again....4.9 version not working....
« on: August 28, 2014, 06:38:38 pm »
Still getting "Not Connected" with 0.4.9-a
So am I.
0.4.9-a on Windows 7 does not connect.

I got that too but if you let is "sit" it seems to start synching...slowly...

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General Discussion / Re: payment gateway to bter-EgoPay, contact made
« on: August 28, 2014, 06:29:21 pm »
Yep, would be nice.  Maybe when we got on more exchanges it will improve.

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General Discussion / Re: Here we go again....4.9 version not working....
« on: August 28, 2014, 06:25:16 pm »
I had initial crash as well.  Removed all files except wallet and am now on the slow synch path....fingers crossed.

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