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General Discussion / Tether debate and Bit Assets
« on: February 07, 2018, 11:02:24 pm »
Hello

I have a couple of posts on the Tether debate that may be of interest to this community.

The post was in response to this article on medium (I have responded below with 2 posts citing the fact that the BitAssets basically have a protocol based contractural relationship between the pegged asset holder and the backing collateral, whereas Tether has no contractural relationship at all, neither protocol based nor legally based).

https://medium.com/@MC_Ross1001/controversial-tweeter-bitfinexed-has-been-shadowbanned-on-twitter-1530a066a35e

There is also some discussion on Reddit about it:

https://www.reddit.com/r/Tether/comments/7vz6sp/youve_got_this_all_wrong_the_problem_is_not_with/

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General Discussion / Massive BitAsset Growth ! - Analysis
« on: January 07, 2018, 02:10:10 am »
Hi

I am a long time lurker and holder. I generally keep one eye open for activity in the BTS markets but recently I noticed this huge growth in circulation of the BitAssets - particularly BitUSD and BitCNY. I've been expecting this for a long time (in fact I expected it would happen a couple of years ago and then went to sleep when it didn't).

Now I've woken up again.

I realise that $30 Million is a drop in the ocean (for BitUSD for example) but from a strategic point of view I think this is huge. I've been wracking my brain over 3 things:

1. why it so suddenly took off back in April
2. why it is now accelerating

and

3. why the BTC ratio is not as spikey as it was in June despite a far larger BitAsset growth (requiring proportionally more collateral).

Well 3 is easily explainable by BTC's massive growth against the dollar, so that's fine. My own theory for 2 is that with the Bitfinex/Tether adverse publicity, the advantages of a pure crypto, trustless pegged blockchain asset over a bank-backed one are starting to dawn on the market (lightbulbs going on).

I still have no clue to the suddenness of point 1 though. (By the way BitCNY is the same - off the charts growth in the last month so I didn't bother showing it separately).

*********** Market Observations ***********

There are some very interesting observations to be made from the last 8 months - namely, it's quite beautiful IMO the way that the BTS price perfectly correlates with the BitAsset supply (BitAsset marketcap can be used as a proxy for supply since the dollar price is constant). This indicates that the network and economics of the system is actually working as intended and that BTS isn't just being used as a speculative bottle-top asset like, say, Litecoin is. (That's why I invested in this in the first place).

Second observation is regarding the BTS/BTC ratio. We can see that despite BTC's massive 700% growth since last June, BTS is starting to recover its value even against BTC. What this tells me is that BTS is excellently decoupled in the sense that the more BitUSD et al get used as cash pairs for crypto markets, the better BTS can perform BOTH in times of BTC growth and especially during corrections (when increasing numbers cash out to BitUSD instead of the toxic Tether).

Third observation should be stark and slightly humbling: Tether has a circulating supply of 1.4 billion and is created by a single company, not a real crypto, not trustless and already toxic. The whole point of a blockchain is that you hold what you have in your wallet. i.e. it isn't a promissory note (as Tether is). Meanwhile BitUSD's circulation is approx 30 million. The BitAssets are bound to grow to at least the marketcap of Tether as understanding proliferates IMO.

The implication is a 1400% growth just to that level alone. If we confine the growth to only the USD cash market currently occupied by Tether then that would represent a 46 times growth in BitUSD. Given the close correlation shown in the traces below between BitUSD circulation and BTS dollar price, than would mean BTS at a Bitcoin ratio of 0.022 (currently 0.000042) if BTC were to stay at current $USD exchange rate.

Lets say that BTC grows to $40,000 this year though and BitUSD only captures 10% of the Tether market. That would still represent a doubling of the BTS price in bitcoin and a 460% increase in the BTS dollar price. The reason I'm becoming increasingly bullish now is that the growth in BitAsset circulation seems to be finally taking off after years of laying the groundwork. Confidence in the network, calamities in competing "pseudo pegged-assets" and a general explosion of capital arriving in the sector as a whole seem to have lit the touchpaper.

All to play for !


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General Discussion / Why Bitshares Exists
« on: June 10, 2017, 01:40:25 am »

Is this correct ?


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Hi !

For 2 years I've kept my BTS on the exchange because it's so different from Bitcoin that I felt safer keeping it on an exchange than downloading to wallet. I once saw someone post a 'best practice' procedure for bitcoin cold wallets that I've used ever since. What is the equivalent in Bitshares ? If I could get some basic questions answered here it would be much appreciated:

I created an account with Bitshares wallet (of the 'more secure' type, can't remember what the name of that option was). I did a test withdraw from Polo of 10 BTS but it hasn't turned up yet:

 • is there an equivalent of a BTS block explorer that one can check progress of transactions
 • is there an equivalent of a BTS paper wallet (I exported the backup wallet but it's electronic. Nothing like seeing a bunch of numbers & letters in your face for the feeling of security)
 • you know the account name that you create in the BTS client. Is that the 'address' that one should use for withdrawing to from the exchange ? (It's what I used)
 • you know how in Bitcoin people create multiple addresses for different purposes (trading, cold wallet etc). Is that also recommended practice in Bitshares or do we just hold everything under the one account ?

Thanks for any answers ! in the meantime my balance still didn't turn up. Maybe I used the wrong address.

P.S. Does the Bitshares client use some kind of API in the default browser engine ? (e.g. I'm on a Mac. Does that means I'm actually looking at the Bitshares client through a Safari window ? I notice all other windows grind to an almost halt when the BTS client is running).

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General Discussion / Is this a new BTS competitor ?
« on: May 20, 2017, 04:16:15 pm »
Hi

Reading the description of this blockchain model, it's doing exactly what Bitshares is - leveraging base collateral to produce pegged assets. Is there any difference from the Bitshares model ? I can't see any.

https://www.forbes.com/sites/rogeraitken/2017/05/19/disruptive-blockchain-backed-salt-loans-platform-in-launch-to-leverage-bitcoin-assets/#5531b69727cc

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General Discussion / Huge Opportunity for Bitshares
« on: April 23, 2017, 08:48:24 pm »

I'm amazed that there does not appear to be more pro-active engagement and "amber alert" in the Bitshares community at the current state of the altcoin market.

The clamour for blockchain-based pegged currency tokens is becoming the next elephant in the room as exchange-based fiat gateways get increasingly crisis-ridden.

Traders want to trade against national currencies and to take profits in them. Commercial vendors want to accept blockchain payments but denominated in national currencies. Exchanges want to host fiat pairs...you name it.

Yet there is a huge problem here. Any direct interaction with banks is toxic and subject to all kinds of regulator red tape, not to mention trust-issues. Until now, Tether has been filling the gap. But it's not a true blockchain token with intrinsict value, it's just a trusted service backed by real fiat and that fiat-gateway toxicity is now starting to infect that asset with all kinds of knock-on integrity issues.

What's needed is a true blockchain-based fiat proxy with an economic peg and the demand for liquidity is rising. Thether's doing $17 million in volume PER DAY.

Why can bit assets not meet his liquidity demand ?


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General Discussion / Surely here's the market for Bitshares !
« on: November 27, 2014, 09:35:47 am »
Hi

I'm living in Spain right now.

The economic situation here is DIRE. The reason, in a single word more than anything is "liquidity". Lack of Euro liquidity due to:

 - disparate rates of credit contraction in the euro zone
 - inability for sovereigns to revalue their own currencies unilaterally in response to this

As an example, a software development business I'm familiar with takes six months to get paid by their clients and then they in turn are up to a year in arrears with a lot of their own salary payments. Instead they hand out IOU's.

The whole country is functioning to a large extent on debt - invoices and IOU's which are acting as a substitute for the liquidity shortfall in growing quantity.

Now lets think for a minute what fiat currency is - it's a *fungible* token of DEBT (because someone on the other side of your 50 Euro note has taken a short position on the Euro by signing a mortgage application or corporate loan application or bank overdraft form to bring more Euro liquidity into existence).

Likeways, collateralised assets like BitUSD are just such a liquidity machine.

Surely the current deflationary situation in the Euro zone is just exactly the problem that a decentralised liquidity tool like BitUSD (in this case it would be BitEUR) was designed to solve ? Is it not ?

The challenge is to find the spark that lights the tinder pile. The detonator. It only needs to work for one tiny anecdotal scenario in some obscure commercial sector for the uptake to gain a self sustaining momentum. Such decentralised liquidity sources could then start to take market share from the commercial bank credit supply.

It needs to be seen to work for just 1 case because the genius of this system is that it facilitates a business model that's already known to work (the commercial banking system) and decentralises it, basically giving anybody that wants one a banking licence. (Another way to look at it is that it ‘granularises’ the banking system). It also represents a natural and powerful capitalisation of the tension that exists between the so called "1% ers" and the "99% ers" - i.e. it would feed off the big wealth disparity and help to reconcile it. Just to spell it out in technical terms:

Q. - Who is going to take the short side of the BitUSD (BitEUR) trade ?

A. - liquidity starved commercial markets such as that of our spanish software house example above and the concrete and sand suppliers below

Q. - Who is going to take the long side of the BitUSD (BitEUR) trade ?

A. - those with excess disposable income that currently don't know what to do with it other than to invest in a ballooning stock market or buy artwork who's value is based on nothing but central bank monetary expansion

That's what I mean by "feeding off the wealth disparity". There's a common interest there. Before anyone asks the obvious question "why don't the banks just provide it", the answer's name is Mr Mario Draghi - governor of the European Central Bank (ECB). The ECB has hitherto resisted implementing a full blown QE program like the US and Japan. The principle resisting force behind this is German - they do not like anything that promotes the wheelbarrow market and they also have the lowest unemployment rate in Europe which means they have the most "real" economic activity going on which means they have the most liquid commercial credit sector. So the aggregated Eurozone deflationary profile does not even tell the full story of the credit disparity that exists between sovereigns because it's more acute in the Mediteranean countries and less acute in Germany (See the graph below).

As I say - the spark needs to be found. A tiny working case study where a crypto-based, collateralised currency asset works as a substitute for all the business IOU's that are currently floating around the Eurozone economy due to deflation.

The key to creating the "spark" is the abundant supply of commercial debt notes (invoices, wage liability slips etc). People don't need much of an incentive to convert these into something tradeable.



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Technical Support / Can't Banks do Bitshares ?
« on: November 16, 2014, 08:33:31 pm »
Hi !

Newb here. I'm a seasoned crypto trader and techy for whom the penny recently dropped re. Bitshares. I've been aware of it for a while but haven't properly had the time to learn about how it works and te differences form a regular crypto.

For the last week, however I've immersed myself  in Bitshares philosophy and techology. First of all, I'd like to say that I think this is one of the most elegant and exciting inovations in crypto I've ever seen, specially from a commercial point of view. I was in the shower the other day thinking through the mechanism of how Bit-USD gets created by matching shorts with longs etc and the lightbulb suddenly went on. I got one of those shivers up my spine where you suddenly see a 1000 mile long road ahead of you.

It's great the way it's a self-balancing system where people who are looking for trading stability are matched with speculators in such a constructive way. I totally get the various aspects of it - collateralised asset vs the underlying shares etc and how that's a potentially virtuous cycle so I don't need to be sold on the concept at all and have already put a few of my BTC into this to get started.

However, I've got some questions which I'd like to ask if anyone was interested - both technical stuff and business model stuff.

First up, I've been looking for downsides to this which are very difficult to see but I do see one. That is that Bitshares biggest innovation is also its biggest weakness - the reliance on the adoption of collateralised assets and branding thereof to give value to the underlying shares. With Bitcoin we are actually trading the "physical gold" as opposed to the paper gold. That's what makes Bitcoin's blockchain have value - it's the currency and collateral rolled into one. No bank or payment processor can replicate bitcoin because they can't reproduce neither the hashpower or the network effect overnight no matter how much money they put into it.

On the other hand, I'm thinking (perhaps wrongly) that they can probably quite easily set up a Bitshares type blockchain and prime it with their own collateral to kickstart a branded collateralised asset (such as "BitVisa-USD or something). Since adopters of collateralised assets are only interested in "a" Bit-USD rather than "the" Bit-USD why would they adopt Bitshare's brand over Visa's ?

This vulnerability to concept-copying is compounded it seems to me by the POS algo. While I agree with the technical merits of this approach, POW does have one thing going for it in this respect which is that it takes time (years ?) to accumulate the hashpower that Bitcoin has. It's generally accepted that banks and big corporations cannot compete with bitcoin - it's too decentralised, to ubiquitous and too advanced (in terms of "rights of passage", confidence etc). But anyone can setup a POS network in a couple of hours and it doesn't need hashpower.

So this is where I see the problem. By being so like a bank in its operating principle it kind of plays into their hands in terms of copyability (at least I see the concept as copyable given that Banks love proxymoney).

If anyone would like to address this issue I'd love to hear what people have to say about it.

Thanks !

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