Could this be a solution for you?
https://bitsharestalk.org/index.php/topic,15804.msg203030.html#new
What if we put the raw recording on cryptofresh for $0.99 :D
fuzzy, are you trying out some economic experiment with Mumble?
This is what it looks like to me. You are running a free public concert out on the street where anyone can join and listen and even has permission to record it with their cameras. And then you try to somehow align incentives so that all the people (and it really could be any stranger) recording the live concert in public are somehow economically motivated to not give out the recording to someone else unless the person requesting the recording happens to possess a special sticker that you sell.
It's an interesting experiment I guess, but I think the end result will be that the economic motivation won't work out and someone (even if it is just one person) who recorded the live event will just stick it up online thereby making the stickers worthless.
Edit: My view is that if this raw recording is a public good (which it is) that we as a community value, then the community should fund that public good the same way we fund other BitShares-related public goods: delegate pay. Obviously any extra funds you can receive from ads in the final edited shows or just from donations would be useful in offsetting the delegate funds necessary. However, if this is truly something we value as a community, it should be possible to fund it entirely from delegate pay without relying on altruism or the effectiveness of advertisements (which can be bypassed).
Thank you arhag. I appreciate the input. I feel this way too, but at the same time it seems most people want to get us away from using delegate pay and become profitable on our own...so I'm doing very much what you are saying. Testing it.
Now with that said. ..the average LTB show takes over a week to get to the public from the recording date and we are shooting for, at most 48 hours. ..and if someone else attends, they can all record it too. Ultimately I want to see more of one thing: open participation.
..., but at the same time it seems most people want to get us away from using delegate pay and become profitable on our own...so I'm doing very much what you are saying. Testing it.
Thank you arhag. I appreciate the input. I feel this way too, but at the same time it seems most people want to get us away from using delegate pay and become profitable on our own...so I'm doing very much what you are saying. Testing it.
Now with that said. ..the average LTB show takes over a week to get to the public from the recording date and we are shooting for, at most 48 hours. ..and if someone else attends, they can all record it too. Ultimately I want to see more of one thing: open participation.
It is unfortunate if people aren't willing to vote for a delegate to fund such an important function (IMHO) in our community as the Mumble hangouts. The costs aren't even that high (are they?). I am not talking about the cost of editing, creating transcripts, etc. I am only concerned about the cost of the infrastructure to allow people to run public hangout sessions, and the cost of recording those sessions and posting a raw recording (in MP3 or Ogg Vorbis format) on the internet for the people we weren't able to attend live. The cost of running a conversion from wav to mp3 or ogg is virtually nothing. The cost of upload and hosting is incredibly small these days. Mumble has functionality to record the wav file already in there. Anyone attending the hangout can do the recording, conversion, and uploading (they may just need a lesson on how to do it). The only significant cost is the cost of actually running the Mumble servers. How much do the servers cost? I doubt people aren't willing to fund delegates to pay for that (your 100% pay fuzzy.beyondbitcoin delegate is already elected after all).
Now all the other costs (your time as moderator, editing, etc.) are costs that can be covered through other means that you are attempting to develop (if the BTS community for some reason doesn't think it is worth covering those costs with delegate pay). But I don't think those costs should be paid for by attempting to hold the raw recording hostage. These are value added services on top of the raw recording. So the final edited audio is what you should be attempting to monetize (say through ads, or exclusive early access of the edited audio / convenient transcripts to UIA holders before it is eventually released to the public to maximize exposure to BitShares).
Our mumbles are a public good.. perfect candidate for delegate funds. E.g. we're not trying to make the forums profitable.
That said, post it already :) dying to hear it.. with the rate at which things move, its relevance halves each passing day :P
Brilliant!
I'd pay .99 to get the edited version which definitely has a value-add for me!
Make the unedited free and earn compensation for the value you add.
Added value: adds more to the cryptofresh web site - supporting its traffic.(http://manbicep.files.wordpress.com/2012/03/twobirdsonestone.jpg)
fuzzy, are you trying out some economic experiment with Mumble?
This is what it looks like to me. You are running a free public concert out on the street where anyone can join and listen and even has permission to record it with their cameras. And then you try to somehow align incentives so that all the people (and it really could be any stranger) recording the live concert in public are somehow economically motivated to not give out the recording to someone else unless the person requesting the recording happens to possess a special sticker that you sell.
It's an interesting experiment I guess, but I think the end result will be that the economic motivation won't work out and someone (even if it is just one person) who recorded the live event will just stick it up online thereby making the stickers worthless.
Edit: My view is that if this raw recording is a public good (which it is) that we as a community value, then the community should fund that public good the same way we fund other BitShares-related public goods: delegate pay. Obviously any extra funds you can receive from ads in the final edited shows or just from donations would be useful in offsetting the delegate funds necessary. However, if this is truly something we value as a community, it should be possible to fund it entirely from delegate pay without relying on altruism or the effectiveness of advertisements (which can be bypassed).
Keep it simple; Content is more important than Presentation; and making it useful, is about making it available.
Putting it out unedited, gives an audience more confidence what they have is authentic. Tarting it up, does not add value, except on occasions where there is very high information density. Putting the raw feed out promptly also aids communication.. we can skip over the bits we don't want. It's not as if the host doesn't have a grip - fuzzy does it well enough the raw is good. If you want edited content then that could be fed into BitShares.tv as highlights or some other presented content. An edited mumble is just more work for little added benefit.
The alternate would be to focus mumble sessions on a core topic, edit those carefully and use that as a marketing aid to describe in detail certain aspects to targeted other audiences than just those here.. pass those to MSM and let them feast on it.
I personally have never heard anyone express any concerns about authenticity.
I personally have never heard anyone express any concerns about authenticity.
It's one factor among others. Media and PR etc isn't trusted widely anyhow but especially in the blockchain world there are too many people talking up their own interests; even devs and early developers, play to their own interest and become unrealistic in their expectations. Someone stumbling over raw 'data' as it were, might consider that more valuable, than another polished presentation of a hope and a dream.
It all depends how it's done but seeing a certain level of commitment coupled with a consistency over time, give investors confidence. Perpetually changing the sources of information, can be frustrating. I don't want to listen to all the mumbles but on occasion might look to catch up on them by random sampling and I don't find skipping over topics that aren't relevant at all difficult.
But many people complained how "unprofessional" it was unedited, and stated that it looked bad on our community. So we eventually got aj to do a more professional edit.
Interesting conversation here. Please continue.
I personally have never heard anyone express any concerns about authenticity.
It's one factor among others. Media and PR etc isn't trusted widely anyhow but especially in the blockchain world there are too many people talking up their own interests; even devs and early developers, play to their own interest and become unrealistic in their expectations. Someone stumbling over raw 'data' as it were, might consider that more valuable, than another polished presentation of a hope and a dream.
It all depends how it's done but seeing a certain level of commitment coupled with a consistency over time, give investors confidence. Perpetually changing the sources of information, can be frustrating. I don't want to listen to all the mumbles but on occasion might look to catch up on them by random sampling and I don't find skipping over topics that aren't relevant at all difficult.
Maybe Aj should put all the cut out stuff on a seperate track.
So you can play the edited version first and later listen to the clicks and pops.
Problem solved.
Either you want input or you don't; not everything should be considered a complaint.
Again, there are different audiences. Some prefer prompt raw full audio and good data; some don't mind a presentation of the facts; some don't mind PR; and some will believe anything they hear.
Have you thought of using advertisers and sponsors as a way to generate income? You could have dedicated 15-30 second blocks where you read an ad. I'm sure several companies would find value in doing this. You also could add a subscription model where people pay to get add free recordings. You also could allow subscribers to be guaranteed answers to questions by giving them some sort of token or uia that they can spend for airtime with bm or whoever is being interviewed. Just a rough idea of ways to possibly monetize beyond bitcoin.