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Title: The 2.0 launch - lessons learned
Post by: jakub on October 15, 2015, 02:29:55 pm
This is how I see it:

Other than the above it's been quite a success.
I mean it, really well done (except for the things above).
Title: Re: The 2.0 launch - lessons learned
Post by: mike623317 on October 15, 2015, 04:45:14 pm

I think the backend is great. Super fast.  +5%

I would like to see a better GUI. I really think we should aim for something like kencode suggested yesterday, but that can be a lower priority.

My 2 cents.
Title: Re: The 2.0 launch - lessons learned
Post by: jakub on October 15, 2015, 05:15:37 pm
The back-end is great, no doubt about it.

But the GUI is more like a solid proof of concept showing how to connect a Graphene back-end with a javascript front-end.
Hopefully third-party companies will take it as a starting point, improve UX and expand it further.

So I'd say the current GUI is nice, it has a big potential but it is still work-in-progress and was released to the public prematurely imo.
If I were a big bank I wouldn't dare to release an interface to a financial system at this stage of development.
But I understand that BitShares is not a proper company with unlimited funding so maybe different rules apply.
Title: Re: The 2.0 launch - lessons learned
Post by: Louis on October 15, 2015, 05:22:15 pm
Maybe it should have been announced before the release of 2.0 that the backend was ready and  fully functional and  to excuse the UI for is still in development but nevertheless very useful. Something along those line.
Title: Re: The 2.0 launch - lessons learned
Post by: theoretical on October 15, 2015, 06:14:19 pm
Hopefully third-party companies will take it as a starting point, improve UX and expand it further.

I'd like to point out that the referral system is designed to give such third-party companies an incentive to develop their own UI solutions.  Specifically, if you develop a UI, and program the UI to set yourself as the registrar / referrer of anyone who registers through your UI, then you can get a big cut of the transaction value created by users who register through your UI.
Title: Re: The 2.0 launch - lessons learned
Post by: Thom on October 15, 2015, 06:45:07 pm
+5% The OP is spot on IMO.
Title: Re: The 2.0 launch - lessons learned
Post by: Empirical1.2 on October 15, 2015, 07:00:11 pm
The back end is great and super fast and that's your base.

Other lessons learned:

It looks like the exchange upgrade to 2.0 might not have been properly co-ordinated?  Failing at the relatively simple task (by comparison to the time and effort to create Graphene, establish partnerships etc.) of emailing & confirming exchanges were ready for the upgrade to 2.0 would not be good.

Title: Re: The 2.0 launch - lessons learned
Post by: Ander on October 15, 2015, 08:22:40 pm
So...waiting for 2.1 is the new waiting for 2.0 now? :P
Title: Re: The 2.0 launch - lessons learned
Post by: puppies on October 15, 2015, 08:53:26 pm
I think the fact that we have a bad ass mutable block chain and that it took us less than two days to respond to our first spam attack should go in the win column. 
Title: Re: The 2.0 launch - lessons learned
Post by: jakub on October 15, 2015, 09:10:43 pm
I think the fact that we have a bad ass mutable block chain and that it took us less than two days to respond to our first spam attack should go in the win column.
Yes, I agree.
The list of things that have gone wrong is relatively short but the list of things that could have gone wrong is quite unlimited.
That's why I think that it's been a success that we should appreciate: so many things could have gone wrong but only a few of them actually did.
Title: Re: The 2.0 launch - lessons learned
Post by: BunkerChainLabs-DataSecurityNode on October 16, 2015, 06:38:25 am
Good points on things learned.. UI is only a framework and rightly so.. the refer program is to bring in competition.. now the stage has been set.. cue the heros to appear with various wallet solutions, and more on/off ramps. For now we just need to break in this amazing network.
Title: Re: The 2.0 launch - lessons learned
Post by: monsterer on October 16, 2015, 08:32:57 am
I think the fact that we have a bad ass mutable block chain and that it took us less than two days to respond to our first spam attack should go in the win column.

Immutable, surely?
Title: Re: The 2.0 launch - lessons learned
Post by: MJK on October 16, 2015, 01:44:22 pm
Good points on things learned.. UI is only a framework and rightly so.. the refer program is to bring in competition.. now the stage has been set.. cue the heros to appear with various wallet solutions, and more on/off ramps. For now we just need to break in this amazing network.

Exchanges and volume. We have to reach out to the exchanges in a professional and coordinated way.
Title: Re: The 2.0 launch - lessons learned
Post by: jakub on October 16, 2015, 01:54:53 pm
Good points on things learned.. UI is only a framework and rightly so.. the refer program is to bring in competition.. now the stage has been set.. cue the heros to appear with various wallet solutions, and more on/off ramps. For now we just need to break in this amazing network.

Exchanges and volume. We have to reach out to the exchanges in a professional and coordinated way.

But first we need to have a GUI that looks and feels like an exchange and not a BTS wallet with a mediocre exchange page attached to it.
So I guess I'd agree with Ander: we waited for 2.0 for so long and now we need to wait again, this time for 2.1 which will offer a proper GUI.
Ideally available in two incarnations: (1) a BTS wallet with an integrated exchange and (2) an exchange with an integrated BTS wallet.
Title: Re: The 2.0 launch - lessons learned
Post by: MJK on October 16, 2015, 02:07:56 pm
Good points on things learned.. UI is only a framework and rightly so.. the refer program is to bring in competition.. now the stage has been set.. cue the heros to appear with various wallet solutions, and more on/off ramps. For now we just need to break in this amazing network.

Exchanges and volume. We have to reach out to the exchanges in a professional and coordinated way.

But first we need to have a GUI that looks and feels like an exchange and not a BTS wallet with a mediocre exchange page attached to it.
So I guess I'd agree with Ander: we waited for 2.0 for so long and now we need to wait again, this time for 2.1 which will offer a proper GUI.
Ideally available in two incarnations: (1) a BTS wallet with an integrated exchange and (2) an exchange with an integrated BTS wallet.

A little frustrating, but i think thats true.
Title: Re: The 2.0 launch - lessons learned
Post by: Average Guy on Street on October 16, 2015, 02:40:56 pm
I really hope an expert teacher will come along to produce a series of instructional videos to teach how the AVERAGE person can get into Bitshares -> from changing their fiat to crypto - >to setting up a Bitshares wallet -> to becoming a successful investor through the Bitshares Market. Teaching all the critical terminology/concepts of each step along the way.

I expected Bitshares TV to do this, however it only ended up being a buzz word marketing effort.

In my opinion Great Educational Resources along with Simple UX design are the most important factors for user adoption.
Title: The 2.0 launch - lessons learned
Post by: Average Guy on Street on October 16, 2015, 02:46:29 pm
There are definitely a lot of experts in the tech and economic fields in Bitshares, but their appears to be no expert teachers stepping up to show how it works to the AVERAGE non-coder, non-trader person.

Title: Re: The 2.0 launch - lessons learned
Post by: Frodo on October 16, 2015, 03:19:31 pm
Good points on things learned.. UI is only a framework and rightly so.. the refer program is to bring in competition.. now the stage has been set.. cue the heros to appear with various wallet solutions, and more on/off ramps. For now we just need to break in this amazing network.

Exchanges and volume. We have to reach out to the exchanges in a professional and coordinated way.

But first we need to have a GUI that looks and feels like an exchange and not a BTS wallet with a mediocre exchange page attached to it.
So I guess I'd agree with Ander: we waited for 2.0 for so long and now we need to wait again, this time for 2.1 which will offer a proper GUI.
Ideally available in two incarnations: (1) a BTS wallet with an integrated exchange and (2) an exchange with an integrated BTS wallet.

A little frustrating, but i think thats true.

Maybe moonstone can save us from that. (Or is that just wishful thinking?  :-\)
Title: Re: The 2.0 launch - lessons learned
Post by: nickelback70 on October 16, 2015, 03:38:27 pm
There are definitely a lot of experts in the tech and economic fields in Bitshares, but their appears to be no expert teachers stepping up to show how it works to the AVERAGE non-coder, non-trader person.

I agree 100%. 

For average guys like me who are new to Bitshares you must have clear, concise educational tools to inspire confidence and usage.

Cryptocurrency is a new science for most people, much like learning a foreign language.  We must understand the benefits of investing our money in  a safe and secure environment.
Title: Re: The 2.0 launch - lessons learned
Post by: puppies on October 16, 2015, 07:06:30 pm
I think the fact that we have a bad ass mutable block chain and that it took us less than two days to respond to our first spam attack should go in the win column.

Immutable, surely?

I most certainly did not speak clearly.  The block chain itself most certainly immutable.  The parameters of the live network mutable.