FWIW- Dan first proposed most of the things he is doing in Steem here to the Bitshares community. You guys cut off his funding for said proposals- stating they were either unnecessary or declaring that inflation for development/improvements = bad. It is kind of the Bitshares' community's fault he has moved on from Bitshares to Steem. An employee must get paid for his work, or else he will look elsewhere for an employer that will pay him for working. Failure to see that to make a few dollars you have to spend a few dollars is entirely on the Bitshares' community. Short term greed stymied Bitshares and will be its eventual downfall.
FWIW- Dan first proposed most of the things he is doing in Steem here to the Bitshares community. You guys cut off his funding for said proposals- stating they were either unnecessary or declaring that inflation for development/improvements = bad. It is kind of the Bitshares' community's fault he has moved on from Bitshares to Steem. An employee must get paid for his work, or else he will look elsewhere for an employer that will pay him for working. Failure to see that to make a few dollars you have to spend a few dollars is entirely on the Bitshares' community. Short term greed stymied Bitshares and will be its eventual downfall.
No one cut off his funding. Dan never even created a worker proposal. Total bullshit saying that BTS won't pay for any development as there are 2 workers being paid already.
FWIW- Dan first proposed most of the things he is doing in Steem here to the Bitshares community. You guys cut off his funding for said proposals- stating they were either unnecessary or declaring that inflation for development/improvements = bad. It is kind of the Bitshares' community's fault he has moved on from Bitshares to Steem. An employee must get paid for his work, or else he will look elsewhere for an employer that will pay him for working. Failure to see that to make a few dollars you have to spend a few dollars is entirely on the Bitshares' community. Short term greed stymied Bitshares and will be its eventual downfall.
No one cut off his funding. Dan never even created a worker proposal. Total bullshit saying that BTS won't pay for any development as there are 2 workers being paid already.
FWIW- Dan first proposed most of the things he is doing in Steem here to the Bitshares community. You guys cut off his funding for said proposals- stating they were either unnecessary or declaring that inflation for development/improvements = bad. It is kind of the Bitshares' community's fault he has moved on from Bitshares to Steem. An employee must get paid for his work, or else he will look elsewhere for an employer that will pay him for working. Failure to see that to make a few dollars you have to spend a few dollars is entirely on the Bitshares' community. Short term greed stymied Bitshares and will be its eventual downfall.
No one cut off his funding. Dan never even created a worker proposal. Total bullshit saying that BTS won't pay for any development as there are 2 workers being paid already.
Dan never even created a worker proposal.
FWIW- Dan first proposed most of the things he is doing in Steem here to the Bitshares community. You guys cut off his funding for said proposals- stating they were either unnecessary or declaring that inflation for development/improvements = bad. It is kind of the Bitshares' community's fault he has moved on from Bitshares to Steem. An employee must get paid for his work, or else he will look elsewhere for an employer that will pay him for working. Failure to see that to make a few dollars you have to spend a few dollars is entirely on the Bitshares' community. Short term greed stymied Bitshares and will be its eventual downfall.
No one cut off his funding. Dan never even created a worker proposal. Total bullshit saying that BTS won't pay for any development as there are 2 workers being paid already.
FWIW- Dan first proposed most of the things he is doing in Steem here to the Bitshares community. You guys cut off his funding for said proposals- stating they were either unnecessary or declaring that inflation for development/improvements = bad. It is kind of the Bitshares' community's fault he has moved on from Bitshares to Steem. An employee must get paid for his work, or else he will look elsewhere for an employer that will pay him for working. Failure to see that to make a few dollars you have to spend a few dollars is entirely on the Bitshares' community. Short term greed stymied Bitshares and will be its eventual downfall.
No one cut off his funding. Dan never even created a worker proposal. Total bullshit saying that BTS won't pay for any development as there are 2 workers being paid already.
this. don't twist the facts please @CoinHoarder
FWIW- Dan first proposed most of the things he is doing in Steem here to the Bitshares community. You guys cut off his funding for said proposals- stating they were either unnecessary or declaring that inflation for development/improvements = bad. It is kind of the Bitshares' community's fault he has moved on from Bitshares to Steem. An employee must get paid for his work, or else he will look elsewhere for an employer that will pay him for working. Failure to see that to make a few dollars you have to spend a few dollars is entirely on the Bitshares' community. Short term greed stymied Bitshares and will be its eventual downfall.
No one cut off his funding. Dan never even created a worker proposal. Total bullshit saying that BTS won't pay for any development as there are 2 workers being paid already.
this. don't twist the facts please @CoinHoarder
FWIW- Dan first proposed most of the things he is doing in Steem here to the Bitshares community. You guys cut off his funding for said proposals- stating they were either unnecessary or declaring that inflation for development/improvements = bad. It is kind of the Bitshares' community's fault he has moved on from Bitshares to Steem. An employee must get paid for his work, or else he will look elsewhere for an employer that will pay him for working. Failure to see that to make a few dollars you have to spend a few dollars is entirely on the Bitshares' community. Short term greed stymied Bitshares and will be its eventual downfall.
No one cut off his funding. Dan never even created a worker proposal. Total bullshit saying that BTS won't pay for any development as there are 2 workers being paid already.
I wouldn't say Total BS. It was clear that, no matter how many proposals we wasted time on in the prevailing anti-dilution environment, there would not be enough near-term funding to sustain The Team from only the BTS oil well. Hence the imperative to drill more. The problem with being forced to start drilling is that, once you strike oil somewhere, you tend to get a little distracted.
:)
Note that Cryptonomex is still drilling several more wells, for the exact same reason.
Every one of those would directly benefit BTS if we hit a gusher.(https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/d/d8/Lucas_gusher.jpg)
Thanks and all of that makes sense to me. My question is HOW any of these directly benefits BTS. Unless i misunderstood BMs post, i think he was saying that Steemit would create their own smartcoins and UIAs and not the Bitshares ones.
@CoinHorder
Stealth - rejected because it was not considered important enough and because of dilution
- not true! FBA funded from Onceuponatime, but he got his money back, because they could not deliver what was promised
Subsidizing Liquidity - rejected because of dilution and some thought it should be done off-chain
- where can i read this? never saw a worker proposal for this
Decentralized Bond Market - rejected because people thought other things were more important
- not true! was original promised as BTS 2.0 was advertised but got cutted because of time.
to get you my perspective
1. we got forced into a merger and Follow my Vote got a lot of free shares for using bitshares - so where is this promised Follow my vote using bitshares?????
2. we got stripped of 10% for every chain who is using bitshares - because of the merger.
3. the community agreed to it because we wanted to keep bytemaster
so now he worked in secret on a new project and sold most of his bitshares
now, tell me who scammed the community.
as a matter of fact, i am pissed, because everything Larimers are spreading is fud in the end.
In the end the Graphene Kit got MIT because Dan wanted to start his own baby without giving anything to CNI his own company. It is so sad, to see this.
The good part on Steem, only fanboys are on this platform and you can read a lot how to make big bugs out of sin air.
So CoinHorder don't give the community the hot potato, because we got forced in 2 years to many thing who where not promised but where needed to keep
everyone on board and now they left in secret.....sorry that i feel betrayed.
@Stan:
Thanks and all of that makes sense to me. My question is HOW any of these directly benefits BTS. Unless i misunderstood BMs post, i think he was saying that Steemit would create their own smartcoins and UIAs and not the Bitshares ones.
That's what we've been doing for quite some time^^
FWIW- Dan first proposed most of the things he is doing in Steem here to the Bitshares community. You guys cut off his funding for said proposals- stating they were either unnecessary or declaring that inflation for development/improvements = bad. It is kind of the Bitshares' community's fault he has moved on from Bitshares to Steem. An employee must get paid for his work, or else he will look elsewhere for an employer that will pay him for working. Failure to see that to make a few dollars you have to spend a few dollars is entirely on the Bitshares' community. Short term greed stymied Bitshares and will be its eventual downfall.
No one cut off his funding. Dan never even created a worker proposal. Total bullshit saying that BTS won't pay for any development as there are 2 workers being paid already.
Crybaby,
This is life, nobody knows you anything.
BM invented Grapbene, and gave it to BTS investors. Yeah, he could have gave you some STEEM, but he didn't think that BTS and Brownie Points investors deserved any. And if your tears are indicative of the sentiment of the average BTS shareholder, then I would have to agree with his decision to refrain from feeding the crybabies.
@Stan:
Thanks and all of that makes sense to me. My question is HOW any of these directly benefits BTS. Unless i misunderstood BMs post, i think he was saying that Steemit would create their own smartcoins and UIAs and not the Bitshares ones.
BM and I have split up the workload, each doing what we do best.
He makes babies and, like any good grandfather, I help raise them. :)
All of my attention plus an all-star team of Forum Heroes and Fresh Talent are focused on maximizing the BitShares ecosystem. Patience.
Dan did offer every member of this forum a stake in STEEM: an early chance to mine it or begin posting and voting during its alpha and beta phases. I pooh-poohed it originally, but once I took the time to figure out what they had built, I was all in. Since then, I've made thousands of dollars posting and voting on good content. I've re-invested all of those profits into Steem Power, which virtually gives me a big stake in its continued future growth. It's still early over there, and there's plenty of time for you to get your "sharedrop" also. But you don't get it sitting on your ass; you have to work for it. As I understand it, Steemit is just part of the overall vision and BitShares can fulfill an important role in that plan, too.
FWIW- Dan first proposed most of the things he is doing in Steem here to the Bitshares community. You guys cut off his funding for said proposals- stating they were either unnecessary or declaring that inflation for development/improvements = bad. It is kind of the Bitshares' community's fault he has moved on from Bitshares to Steem. An employee must get paid for his work, or else he will look elsewhere for an employer that will pay him for working. Failure to see that to make a few dollars you have to spend a few dollars is entirely on the Bitshares' community. Short term greed stymied Bitshares and will be its eventual downfall.
No one cut off his funding. Dan never even created a worker proposal. Total bullshit saying that BTS won't pay for any development as there are 2 workers being paid already.
this. don't twist the facts please @CoinHoarder
Not this. Don't abuse your power as a moderator @fav. This is not a random discussion.
Why should Dan have dropped shares of his new STEEM DAO onto the Chinese BTS holders who would just continue to down vote his development ideas?
Dan is a dev
He can't do deving when there is no money.
He needed a new community that was supportive of dev funding, or he would not be working on anything. This is just common sense.
I for one am glad that he found a community that supports his ideas, and being a cosmopolitan myself, I support many different communities.
BTC, BTS, STEEM, IOTA, WBB, PeerPlays, and all the teams who support these groups. What communities do you support?
FWIW- Dan first proposed most of the things he is doing in Steem here to the Bitshares community. You guys cut off his funding for said proposals- stating they were either unnecessary or declaring that inflation for development/improvements = bad. It is kind of the Bitshares' community's fault he has moved on from Bitshares to Steem. An employee must get paid for his work, or else he will look elsewhere for an employer that will pay him for working. Failure to see that to make a few dollars you have to spend a few dollars is entirely on the Bitshares' community. Short term greed stymied Bitshares and will be its eventual downfall.
No one cut off his funding. Dan never even created a worker proposal. Total bullshit saying that BTS won't pay for any development as there are 2 workers being paid already.
this. don't twist the facts please @CoinHoarder
Not this. Don't abuse your power as a moderator @fav. This is not a random discussion.
steem is an alternative currency and has nothing to do with bitshares. moved as usual
FWIW- Dan first proposed most of the things he is doing in Steem here to the Bitshares community. You guys cut off his funding for said proposals- stating they were either unnecessary or declaring that inflation for development/improvements = bad. It is kind of the Bitshares' community's fault he has moved on from Bitshares to Steem. An employee must get paid for his work, or else he will look elsewhere for an employer that will pay him for working. Failure to see that to make a few dollars you have to spend a few dollars is entirely on the Bitshares' community. Short term greed stymied Bitshares and will be its eventual downfall.
No one cut off his funding. Dan never even created a worker proposal. Total bullshit saying that BTS won't pay for any development as there are 2 workers being paid already.
this. don't twist the facts please @CoinHoarder
Not this. Don't abuse your power as a moderator @fav. This is not a random discussion.
steem is an alternative currency and has nothing to do with bitshares. moved as usual
So a discussion of how Steem and BitShares complement/compete with each other in the coming months is not relevant? Most of the posts in this thread seem to me to be more about Bitshares.
FWIW- Dan first proposed most of the things he is doing in Steem here to the Bitshares community. You guys cut off his funding for said proposals- stating they were either unnecessary or declaring that inflation for development/improvements = bad. It is kind of the Bitshares' community's fault he has moved on from Bitshares to Steem. An employee must get paid for his work, or else he will look elsewhere for an employer that will pay him for working. Failure to see that to make a few dollars you have to spend a few dollars is entirely on the Bitshares' community. Short term greed stymied Bitshares and will be its eventual downfall.
No one cut off his funding. Dan never even created a worker proposal. Total bullshit saying that BTS won't pay for any development as there are 2 workers being paid already.
this. don't twist the facts please @CoinHoarder
Not this. Don't abuse your power as a moderator @fav. This is not a random discussion.
steem is an alternative currency and has nothing to do with bitshares. moved as usual
So a discussion of how Steem and BitShares complement/compete with each other in the coming months is not relevant? Most of the posts in this thread seem to me to be more about Bitshares.
FWIW- Dan first proposed most of the things he is doing in Steem here to the Bitshares community. You guys cut off his funding for said proposals- stating they were either unnecessary or declaring that inflation for development/improvements = bad. It is kind of the Bitshares' community's fault he has moved on from Bitshares to Steem. An employee must get paid for his work, or else he will look elsewhere for an employer that will pay him for working. Failure to see that to make a few dollars you have to spend a few dollars is entirely on the Bitshares' community. Short term greed stymied Bitshares and will be its eventual downfall.
No one cut off his funding. Dan never even created a worker proposal. Total bullshit saying that BTS won't pay for any development as there are 2 workers being paid already.
this. don't twist the facts please @CoinHoarder
Not this. Don't abuse your power as a moderator @fav. This is not a random discussion.
steem is an alternative currency and has nothing to do with bitshares. moved as usual
So a discussion of how Steem and BitShares complement/compete with each other in the coming months is not relevant? Most of the posts in this thread seem to me to be more about Bitshares.
Problem I see is that in Dan's "steem world domination" post, he neglected to mention anything about bitshares. Even after commentators said steem is "bts done right", he didn't refute that. It seems like he is getting closer to creating a direct competitor to BTS, and this is after he said BTS and Steem are so far apart that they couldn't be competitors and that's why he could focus on Steem.
He could smooth many things over if he talked openly on how BTS and Steem would work together, instead of focusing solely on Steem. People feel like they paid him (which they did via PTS/AGS/BTS.9/Brownies/DNS/BTS2.0) and got very little in return. There were many promises, both technical and business, that were made.. One can argue that 80% of the technical ones were delivered, but nearly all the business development promises have fallen flat.
FWIW- Dan first proposed most of the things he is doing in Steem here to the Bitshares community. You guys cut off his funding for said proposals- stating they were either unnecessary or declaring that inflation for development/improvements = bad. It is kind of the Bitshares' community's fault he has moved on from Bitshares to Steem. An employee must get paid for his work, or else he will look elsewhere for an employer that will pay him for working. Failure to see that to make a few dollars you have to spend a few dollars is entirely on the Bitshares' community. Short term greed stymied Bitshares and will be its eventual downfall.
No one cut off his funding. Dan never even created a worker proposal. Total bullshit saying that BTS won't pay for any development as there are 2 workers being paid already.
this. don't twist the facts please @CoinHoarder
Not this. Don't abuse your power as a moderator @fav. This is not a random discussion.
steem is an alternative currency and has nothing to do with bitshares. moved as usual
So a discussion of how Steem and BitShares complement/compete with each other in the coming months is not relevant? Most of the posts in this thread seem to me to be more about Bitshares.
FWIW- Dan first proposed most of the things he is doing in Steem here to the Bitshares community. You guys cut off his funding for said proposals- stating they were either unnecessary or declaring that inflation for development/improvements = bad. It is kind of the Bitshares' community's fault he has moved on from Bitshares to Steem. An employee must get paid for his work, or else he will look elsewhere for an employer that will pay him for working. Failure to see that to make a few dollars you have to spend a few dollars is entirely on the Bitshares' community. Short term greed stymied Bitshares and will be its eventual downfall.
No one cut off his funding. Dan never even created a worker proposal. Total bullshit saying that BTS won't pay for any development as there are 2 workers being paid already.
this. don't twist the facts please @CoinHoarder
Not this. Don't abuse your power as a moderator @fav. This is not a random discussion.
steem is an alternative currency and has nothing to do with bitshares. moved as usual
So a discussion of how Steem and BitShares complement/compete with each other in the coming months is not relevant? Most of the posts in this thread seem to me to be more about Bitshares.
A discussion of how Steem and BitShares complement/compete with each other in the coming months is exactly whats needed. Its not a blame thing, hopefully steemit pulls bitshares up and we can employ things that are working over there. I'm not techie enough to understand how steem can benefit bts, thats why i think a discussion would be helpful.
FWIW- Dan first proposed most of the things he is doing in Steem here to the Bitshares community. You guys cut off his funding for said proposals- stating they were either unnecessary or declaring that inflation for development/improvements = bad. It is kind of the Bitshares' community's fault he has moved on from Bitshares to Steem. An employee must get paid for his work, or else he will look elsewhere for an employer that will pay him for working. Failure to see that to make a few dollars you have to spend a few dollars is entirely on the Bitshares' community. Short term greed stymied Bitshares and will be its eventual downfall.
No one cut off his funding. Dan never even created a worker proposal. Total bullshit saying that BTS won't pay for any development as there are 2 workers being paid already.
this. don't twist the facts please @CoinHoarder
Not this. Don't abuse your power as a moderator @fav. This is not a random discussion.
steem is an alternative currency and has nothing to do with bitshares. moved as usual
So a discussion of how Steem and BitShares complement/compete with each other in the coming months is not relevant? Most of the posts in this thread seem to me to be more about Bitshares.
A discussion of how Steem and BitShares complement/compete with each other in the coming months is exactly whats needed. Its not a blame thing, hopefully steemit pulls bitshares up and we can employ things that are working over there. I'm not techie enough to understand how steem can benefit bts, thats why i think a discussion would be helpful.
The action on coinmarket cap for steem is deceiving. The supply is increasing, but so far there has been very little trading going on. Because of this it looks like Steems market cap is growing fast (because they are inflating the supply while no one can get out). BM designed steem to show a huge market cap. So far market cap is moving positive, but I doubt it is anywhere near high enough to where Dan expected it to be trading.
Once people start trading out of steem i'm guessing it will be a shit show.
Problem I see is that in Dan's "steem world domination" post, he neglected to mention anything about bitshares.This is our job to do. If any crypto-newbie found Steemit today he is already aware about BitShares, Blockpay, Blocktrades and Openledger. Cheers!
I actually cant .. to sell his stake he needs to divest over 2 years while PUBLICLY showing that he is divesting over 2 years ..Get Rich Quick Steem
Waves, Lisk, Ethereum, Augur... every half-as-skilled-as-me dev was being thrown boatloads of money at, it was time for Dan to get his. Plain and simple. By owning 90% and selling it off, he can walk away anytime without being beholden to investors like he was with BTS.
This is probably the best insight into where Steem may be going I've seen.
(I'm a Steem outsider, so I don't really know, but 178 Steemians upvoted this, so it must be on the mark.)
https://steemit.com/steemit/@andrarchy/steemit-vlog-why-steemit-is-the-tesla-motors-of-social-networks (https://steemit.com/steemit/@andrarchy/steemit-vlog-why-steemit-is-the-tesla-motors-of-social-networks)
Steem is pioneering a new way to bootstrap a digital currency platform.
But BitShares is already there, after one more pending Tesla style twist.
(Study the above video and then ponder what the BitShares equivalent might be.)
Their destinies lie along different paths using completely different bootstrap strategies.
And I think the world is plenty big enough for the both of us.
by @cylonmaker2053 in Steemit.com 1 day agoand my post:
Steemit should focus on continuously improving its social media function. Requirements creep often kills projects.
I actually cant .. to sell his stake he needs to divest over 2 years while PUBLICLY showing that he is divesting over 2 years ..Get Rich Quick Steem
Waves, Lisk, Ethereum, Augur... every half-as-skilled-as-me dev was being thrown boatloads of money at, it was time for Dan to get his. Plain and simple. By owning 90% and selling it off, he can walk away anytime without being beholden to investors like he was with BTS.
I actually cant .. to sell his stake he needs to divest over 2 years while PUBLICLY showing that he is divesting over 2 years ..Get Rich Quick Steem
Waves, Lisk, Ethereum, Augur... every half-as-skilled-as-me dev was being thrown boatloads of money at, it was time for Dan to get his. Plain and simple. By owning 90% and selling it off, he can walk away anytime without being beholden to investors like he was with BTS.
Not bad at all...
(https://i.imgsafe.org/1aefb35514.jpg)
Not sure why you insist on the 90% number while people repeatedly claim a way smaller percentage .. the quote kind of just proofs the fact that they dont have 90%Not bad at all...
(https://i.imgsafe.org/1aefb35514.jpg)
actually it's pretty bad for a coin that premined 90% of them .
In my experience , coins have that much premine would increase 100x in value at least .
Not sure why you insist on the 90% number while people repeatedly claim a way smaller percentage .. the quote kind of just proofs the fact that they dont have 90%Not bad at all...
(https://i.imgsafe.org/1aefb35514.jpg)
actually it's pretty bad for a coin that premined 90% of them .
In my experience , coins have that much premine would increase 100x in value at least .
We have secured ~80% of the initial STEEM via mining.80% before announcing, you gotta figure they added at least another 10% since that moment.
We have secured ~80% of the initial STEEM via mining.80% before announcing, you gotta figure they added at least another 10% since that moment.
We have secured ~80% of the initial STEEM via mining. Our plan is to keep 20%, sell 20% to raise money, and give away 40% to attract users / referrers.
While we love the BitShares community, we believe we can get more eyes by keeping the discussion over on bitcointalk until our own forum launches.
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1410943.0
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I will only answer questions on bitcointalk, so come visit us there.
We have secured ~80% of the initial STEEM via mining.80% before announcing, you gotta figure they added at least another 10% since that moment.
You guys don't even know what you are talking about! do you?
What do you mean by saying "80% before announcing"? I'm really curious! You know that the ANN thread is this one in BCT https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1410943.0 don't you?
Other than that, you took a phrase out of context from a post and you added your own false assumptions, here is some of the information you deliberately omitted...We have secured ~80% of the initial STEEM via mining. Our plan is to keep 20%, sell 20% to raise money, and give away 40% to attract users / referrers.
While we love the BitShares community, we believe we can get more eyes by keeping the discussion over on bitcointalk until our own forum launches.
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1410943.0
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I will only answer questions on bitcointalk, so come visit us there.
But maybe you are an anti-dilutionist too and you believe only in the free work of others.
Subsidizing Liquidity - rejected because of dilution and some thought it should be done off-chainTo be honest, the original proposal made by Dan is not as good as he and some others expected. Same design got implemented on Steem already, as an experience, has been running for a week. The result, distribution of reward is highly manipulated as TonyK predicted, although spread is good at most time.
Subsidizing Liquidity - rejected because of dilution and some thought it should be done off-chainTo be honest, the original proposal made by Dan is not as good as he and some others expected. Same design got implemented on Steem already, as an experience, has been running for a week. The result, distribution of reward is highly manipulated as TonyK predicted, although spread is good at most time.
BitShares need stability. It's good that unproven features got tested on somewhere else first.
Subsidizing Liquidity - rejected because of dilution and some thought it should be done off-chainTo be honest, the original proposal made by Dan is not as good as he and some others expected. Same design got implemented on Steem already, as an experience, has been running for a week. The result, distribution of reward is highly manipulated as TonyK predicted, although spread is good at most time.
BitShares need stability. It's good that unproven features got tested on somewhere else first.
Subsidizing Liquidity - rejected because of dilution and some thought it should be done off-chainTo be honest, the original proposal made by Dan is not as good as he and some others expected. Same design got implemented on Steem already, as an experience, has been running for a week. The result, distribution of reward is highly manipulated as TonyK predicted, although spread is good at most time.
BitShares need stability. It's good that unproven features got tested on somewhere else first.
well... 20K USD per day is a very nice return bot (even if you had to pay for the money youplaytrade with; even better in your case where you did not have to put them)
All that assuming you can cash out (at least several days of returns) before the new "most idiotic creation in crypto*" crash before our own "non-believing eyes"
*Steem beats NuBits by a wild margin of stupidity, imho... no matter what the indeed truly respected by me (and indeed expellant writer) donkeypong believes (or forces himself to believe)