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Title: Bitshare's Tee's and hoodies, Open call to have YOUR DAC listed on the back
Post by: Gentso1 on August 10, 2014, 09:45:35 pm
 Bitshare's Tee's and hoodies, Open call to have YOUR DAC listed on the back.
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I am preparing some mock-up tees on 8/11/14 and I wanted to put out a open call to list Current DAC's apart of the Bitshares
The DAC's will be listed on the back of the shirt under the 2 tone bitshare logo in a smaller font.
I will post the mock up publicly and run it through Brian once we have it done. Because not all DAC's have slogan's or logos I will not be adding them  so that the shirt jives. If any of the DAC's listed had a logo that they would like to include please also list in the off chance that everyone has a logo ready.

Current DAC's I have are
Bitshares X
followmyvote
Bitshares DNS
Bitshares Play (or whatever the new name will be once voting decides)

I know we are working on music, charities, insurance and some others but If they seem to early in development to have a "official" name to list them. If I am wrong on this PLEASE POST THEM AND LIST THEM HERE. Also if for any reason a DAC chooses not to want to be listed on the tee please let me know by pm and I will honor your wishes.     
Title: Re: Bitshare's Tee's and hoodies, Open call to have YOUR DAC listed on the back
Post by: Gentso1 on August 11, 2014, 05:14:02 pm
Here is a quick mock up. I am not sure how I feel about the font of the qoute but I am open to suggestions and it could easliy be changed to a block style should the community wish it.

(http://i.imgur.com/6kQCutg.png) (http://imgur.com/6kQCutg)
Title: Re: Bitshare's Tee's and hoodies, Open call to have YOUR DAC listed on the back
Post by: Empirical1 on August 11, 2014, 05:22:51 pm
 +5%

I think the quote 'I killed the bank' relates more to a BitShares X T-Shirt, than a general BitShares T-Shirt. (I like the quote font though but I would make it black.)

I like the back, but I would put BitShares X at the top and follow my vote last.


Title: Re: Bitshare's Tee's and hoodies, Open call to have YOUR DAC listed on the back
Post by: luckybit on August 11, 2014, 05:28:46 pm
How about something less political?  Something to attract investment rather than activism unless it's the follow my vote DAC which is more about activism.

Humor is a good weapon.
Title: Re: Bitshare's Tee's and hoodies, Open call to have YOUR DAC listed on the back
Post by: xeroc on August 11, 2014, 05:30:23 pm
Still traditional trades .. join the modern world
Title: Re: Bitshare's Tee's and hoodies, Open call to have YOUR DAC listed on the back
Post by: robrigo on August 11, 2014, 06:35:41 pm
Hey guys. I've been lurking the forums for a while learning about the potential of BitShares. Hoping to get more involved with the ecosystem though. Some quote suggestions:

"Decentralized Systems for a Freer Tomorrow"

"Decentralized Systems for a Fairer Tomorrow"

"Decentralized Systems for a Fairer / Freer Future"

"Empowering Humanity to Manage Globalized Services Together"

"There's a token for that."

"Invest in the future of human collaboration."

"In DACs We (don't have to) Trust"
Title: Re: Bitshare's Tee's and hoodies, Open call to have YOUR DAC listed on the back
Post by: Gentso1 on August 11, 2014, 06:50:37 pm
+5%

I think the quote 'I killed the bank' relates more to a BitShares X T-Shirt, than a general BitShares T-Shirt. (I like the quote font though but I would make it black.)

I like the back, but I would put BitShares X at the top and follow my vote last.

I agree about the color of the qoute and it can be changed but it would add to the cost a little because of the fact that it is more labor intensive when changing colors when screen printing.

I agree that That the I killed the bank qoute does relate to btsx and not bitshares as a whole. My thoughts were that it would catch more eyes, cause more discussions and create more smirks when people read it. A option would be to but the qoute on the back(then we could do it in black at no added cost), and maybe list btsx last on the list of DAC's with the qoute in a slightly larger font so that it could be read.
How about something less political?  Something to attract investment rather than activism unless it's the follow my vote DAC which is more about activism.

Humor is a good weapon.

I am not trying to make it a political statement but I can easily understand how it can be viewed that way. It is merely a powerful short qoute from a person that most people (Americans at least should know). 
Let me put it to you this way, If you are walking through the store and your eyes are quickly scanning around at the different faces, clothes colors.....etc. Would reading the qoute draw up ANY feelings inside you? Would it make you more curious? These shirts are being made from the stand point of bring new members to the crypto community.

If I was going to market something to people that were all ready involved in the crypto game the look would be completely different. Collar shirt, breathable under armor type mesh, clean simply logo across the breast and a perhaps Charles "IPO in a box" qoute. With the DAC's listed down the back(maybe). Its all about reaching different markets and different demographic's of people. So why not do what some many politicians do and pick a demographic that has not been marketed too, instead of continuing to try to entice a demographic that is all ready saturated.

Please note these are just different thoughts and just one of many different ways of trying to keep people of many different levels of education,backround and beliefs to become interested enough in a idea (bitshares) to google it. If this was a true well funded marketing push you would do a few shirts of different styles to appeal to as many different people as possible.  With each piece of clothing/swag being geared toward a specific "group".       
Title: Re: Bitshare's Tee's and hoodies, Open call to have YOUR DAC listed on the back
Post by: NewMine on August 11, 2014, 06:57:23 pm
Good work. I3 should pay you for actually marketing something tangible.
Title: Re: Bitshare's Tee's and hoodies, Open call to have YOUR DAC listed on the back
Post by: Gentso1 on August 11, 2014, 08:04:27 pm
Good work. I3 should pay you for actually marketing something tangible.

lol I appreciate the kind words very much but even this is just a very small step "a step none the less though".  I would love to be more involved as while I know I am not as tech savy as nearly all the users on this forum, I am passionate about the work is being done here.

With a actual budget I envision everything from buying signature space, ad's on crypto blogs, give aways of shirts and swag(geared toward every demographic) and maybe even getting a couple of crypto celeb's to rock our gear so to speak(Adam,Andreas, Charles and even Vitalik). More importantly I think it would be prudent to market toward the general public and get you everyday people involved. None of these ideas are new or different its just the way you present them and you ability to be able to make people from all backgrounds excited about them.

I don't like the fact that while I feel like our ideas or technically sound, we (at least to me) are like a ugly girl you banged in college. You know it was great and fun but you will never tell your friends about it.
Title: Re: Bitshare's Tee's and hoodies, Open call to have YOUR DAC listed on the back
Post by: Empirical1 on August 11, 2014, 10:52:06 pm
I envision everything from buying signature space, ad's on crypto blogs, give aways of shirts and swag(geared toward every demographic) and maybe even getting a couple of crypto celeb's to rock our gear so to speak(Adam,Andreas, Charles and even Vitalik).

That would be funny   :)
Title: Re: Bitshare's Tee's and hoodies, Open call to have YOUR DAC listed on the back
Post by: Gentso1 on August 11, 2014, 11:20:19 pm
I envision everything from buying signature space, ad's on crypto blogs, give aways of shirts and swag(geared toward every demographic) and maybe even getting a couple of crypto celeb's to rock our gear so to speak(Adam,Andreas, Charles and even Vitalik).

That would be funny   :)

Even though we are competing in a way both camps are trying to solve the same issues. How great of a photo would it make for us to wear there shirts and they wear our's. I think it would be hilarious and both camps could share the photo as a way to promote themselves and competing technologies.

Of course it will never happen but on the lighter side I would like to think there is a level of mutual respect for the work that both they and we are doing, it also goes to help to build and broaden the industry as a whole.
Title: Re: Bitshare's Tee's and hoodies, Open call to have YOUR DAC listed on the back
Post by: Gentso1 on August 12, 2014, 02:10:07 pm
Here is a revision that may be more appealing and look a little better, please give feedback of any kind
(http://i.imgur.com/Ghw8xBB.png) (http://imgur.com/Ghw8xBB)
Title: Re: Bitshare's Tee's and hoodies, Open call to have YOUR DAC listed on the back
Post by: toast on August 12, 2014, 02:45:09 pm
Honestly I wouldn't wear it. Make it simpler and less "BUY BITSHARES" vibe.

A simple "I killed the bank" on the bank and "bitshares" on the front left
Title: Re: Bitshare's Tee's and hoodies, Open call to have YOUR DAC listed on the back
Post by: Gentso1 on August 12, 2014, 04:09:19 pm
Honestly I wouldn't wear it. Make it simpler and less "BUY BITSHARES" vibe.

A simple "I killed the bank" on the bank and "bitshares" on the front left

You don't think its a good idea to list the DAC's on the back to help promote the whole family instead of just one DAC?

While I am most interested in btsx my thoughts were getting the word out about all the DAC's would be beneficial. We are selling a family of products not just one. People that are holders of pts and especially ags have a interest in seeing all these products grow.

If I were making shirts up for bitshares employees I 100% agree small logo across the chest and probably dropping that quote all together and maybe using something more classy, perhaps a quote from someone in the industry.  The reason being is that if you are at a conference or meeting with people they are (chances are) people that will all ready be involved or have a reasonable amount of back round knowledge about the product and what you are doing.

Thank you for taking the time to provide insight. The more insight we have the better products can be branded and hopefully promoted together. Once a company has 1 great product people will also become more interested in there less well known products.
The above mock up is geared simply at people that have no involvement in in crypto at the present time(untapped market). It in essence is a quick "sales pitch" to get them to the site. From their we can educate them on the products and help to bring them into the fold.   
Title: Re: Bitshare's Tee's and hoodies, Open call to have YOUR DAC listed on the back
Post by: soniq on August 12, 2014, 05:06:38 pm
We live in a world of smartphones, laptops and search engines. 

One line and a brand is a good way to pique curiosity.  Once on site the visitor can find the rest of the Bitshares ecosystem

KISS works very well with marketing in our one click you are gone world
Title: Re: Bitshare's Tee's and hoodies, Open call to have YOUR DAC listed on the back
Post by: Gentso1 on August 12, 2014, 06:01:56 pm
We live in a world of smartphones, laptops and search engines. 

One line and a brand is a good way to pique curiosity.  Once on site the visitor can find the rest of the Bitshares ecosystem

KISS works very well with marketing in our one click you are gone world
So your suggestion would also be to drop the DAC's on the back and to keep the logo and qoute in there current placement? I just want to clarify.
Title: Re: Bitshare's Tee's and hoodies, Open call to have YOUR DAC listed on the back
Post by: toast on August 12, 2014, 06:16:50 pm
We live in a world of smartphones, laptops and search engines. 

One line and a brand is a good way to pique curiosity.  Once on site the visitor can find the rest of the Bitshares ecosystem

KISS works very well with marketing in our one click you are gone world
So your suggestion would also be to drop the DAC's on the back and to keep the logo and qoute in there current placement? I just want to clarify.

Front: bitshares, small in left
Back:  "I killed the bank", larger bitshares centered below.

I prefer black.
Title: Re: Bitshare's Tee's and hoodies, Open call to have YOUR DAC listed on the back
Post by: Gentso1 on August 12, 2014, 06:38:55 pm
We live in a world of smartphones, laptops and search engines. 

One line and a brand is a good way to pique curiosity.  Once on site the visitor can find the rest of the Bitshares ecosystem

KISS works very well with marketing in our one click you are gone world
So your suggestion would also be to drop the DAC's on the back and to keep the logo and qoute in there current placement? I just want to clarify.

Front: bitshares, small in left
Back:  "I killed the bank", larger bitshares centered below.

I prefer black.

Perfect thanks.
If you use a black tee,  I would assume changing the qoute color to white. Also for some reason black tees are slightly more but if people like them and its what the community wants it can be changed.
If I get one or too more nods I will go with that design. 
Title: Re: Bitshare's Tee's and hoodies, Open call to have YOUR DAC listed on the back
Post by: bitbro on August 12, 2014, 06:41:18 pm

We live in a world of smartphones, laptops and search engines. 

One line and a brand is a good way to pique curiosity.  Once on site the visitor can find the rest of the Bitshares ecosystem

KISS works very well with marketing in our one click you are gone world
So your suggestion would also be to drop the DAC's on the back and to keep the logo and qoute in there current placement? I just want to clarify.

Front: bitshares, small in left
Back:  "I killed the bank", larger bitshares centered below.

I prefer black.

Id buy, but the mockup should be drafted and revised until it's damn good.  Is someone already mocking this up?
Title: Re: Bitshare's Tee's and hoodies, Open call to have YOUR DAC listed on the back
Post by: gamey on August 12, 2014, 06:42:37 pm
I killed the bank <- is vaguely political for historical reasons.  Both the left and the right are tired of the banking system for various reasons.  Occupy Wall-Street vs Tea-party types.  It is not an unpopular sentiment and it will AGREE with people who are interested in Bitshares X.  Those it "scares off" will probably not be of the mind to want BTSX anytime soon to begin with, so the loss would largely be a perception.

I killed the Bank also just makes the t-shirt cool.  It sparks up conversation.  For people already into Bitshares it seems a lot more appealing to wear.

How many T-shirts are there with nothing more than simple logos ?  BAAH!  BLAND ! 

Perhaps make it "X killed the Bank"  then people go X ? huh ?  Then you have Bitshares X somewhere nearby to make the reference in people's head.

Just listing product has no hook to it.  Although I might wear it anyway, it would be more a "I don't wear this t-shirt because it is cool, i wear it because I'm out of laundry."

History buffs will be pulled in, and do people really dislike Andrew Jackson?  I'm not a history buff, but he seems like a cool guy to me.  lol.

edit -

I think if someone doesn't then I'll make either a "X killed the Bank" or "I killed the Bank" t-shirt.  I agree Toast about the t-shirt being too adsy with all the DACS list.

The decentralized this/that has the problem that most people have no clue what that even means.  It is the same with advertising all the DACs.

"I killed the bank" does have humor.  As far as it not being classy, it is a t-shirt and meant to make a statement and grab attention.
Title: Re: Bitshare's Tee's and hoodies, Open call to have YOUR DAC listed on the back
Post by: toast on August 12, 2014, 06:49:26 pm
^^  to that end, maybe "I killed the bank" even needs to go on the front, more likely to start conversation. Or both, haha
Title: Re: Bitshare's Tee's and hoodies, Open call to have YOUR DAC listed on the back
Post by: Gentso1 on August 12, 2014, 07:02:15 pm
Lol you guys are killing me......here is what I will have done.

Bitshares logo front offset accross the breast 2 tone.....

Quote across the back, Dropping the DAC's(sorry dac's).

Its clean its fairly simple and I feel it has bits and pieces from various people with different stand points.

Mock up will be posted upon completion.

Thanks a million btsx for the input.
Title: Re: Bitshare's Tee's and hoodies, Open call to have YOUR DAC listed on the back
Post by: bitbro on August 12, 2014, 07:06:38 pm
That sort of slogan will hasten the Gov'ts pace as they chase after us too.... Could be good for hype
Title: Re: Bitshare's Tee's and hoodies, Open call to have YOUR DAC listed on the back
Post by: gamey on August 12, 2014, 07:31:05 pm
That sort of slogan will hasten the Gov'ts pace as they chase after us too.... Could be good for hype

It is a t-shirt bro not some sort of official slogan.
Title: Re: Bitshare's Tee's and hoodies, Open call to have YOUR DAC listed on the back
Post by: bitbro on August 12, 2014, 07:33:22 pm

That sort of slogan will hasten the Gov'ts pace as they chase after us too.... Could be good for hype

It is a t-shirt bro not some sort of official slogan.

Hey, I killed the bank, baby.  Is it a pick up line too?
Title: Re: Bitshare's Tee's and hoodies, Open call to have YOUR DAC listed on the back
Post by: gamey on August 12, 2014, 07:47:11 pm

That sort of slogan will hasten the Gov'ts pace as they chase after us too.... Could be good for hype

It is a t-shirt bro not some sort of official slogan.

Hey, I killed the bank, baby.  Is it a pick up line too?

If she comes around asking you what it means then you pretty much got it in the bank I'd think.  Thats about as far as I'd venture a guess.
Title: Re: Bitshare's Tee's and hoodies, Open call to have YOUR DAC listed on the back
Post by: tonyk on August 12, 2014, 07:54:27 pm

That sort of slogan will hasten the Gov'ts pace as they chase after us too.... Could be good for hype

It is a t-shirt bro not some sort of official slogan.

Hey, I killed the bank, baby.  Is it a pick up line too?

If she comes around asking you what it means then you pretty much got it in the bank I'd think.  Thats about as far as I'd venture a guess.
I do not know...he said he killed it, so he had nothing left in the bank...which reminds me about the bounty inside Apollo 13 that burned inside the ship last night.   :)
Title: Re: Bitshare's Tee's and hoodies, Open call to have YOUR DAC listed on the back
Post by: Gentso1 on August 13, 2014, 01:15:26 am

That sort of slogan will hasten the Gov'ts pace as they chase after us too.... Could be good for hype

It is a t-shirt bro not some sort of official slogan.

Hey, I killed the bank, baby.  Is it a pick up line too?

If she comes around asking you what it means then you pretty much got it in the bank I'd think.  Thats about as far as I'd venture a guess.
I do not know...he said he killed it, so he had nothing left in the bank...which reminds me about the bounty inside Apollo 13 that burned inside the ship last night.   :)
Whats funny is while I dont know enough to be able to claim the bounty I do like to read through the dry run threads just to kinda get a pulse if you will.

When I saw that there was a bounty posted on this dry run I was kinda excited just so I could see which member would claim it and how long it would take. toast's video though really summed it up, but you know not every launch can be straight to da moon. I am still excited and I am sure the team at I3 will really make you guys work to get that 100bitusd :P
Title: Re: Bitshare's Tee's and hoodies, Open call to have YOUR DAC listed on the back
Post by: tonyk on August 13, 2014, 01:46:58 am
The bounty is gone man. It was clearly stated it was inside Appolo.

Bounty or now bounty, I have posted even before the dry run how the order matching system can be exploited. I cannot prove it, in a dry run or out of it, because you have to be a broker (fill an order for somebody else) or in some other way know about upcoming order. Other than that I do not think there is much to exploit in the order matching. Said system is just a terribly annoying way to do the things and you will hear a lot about it when people start using it for real….
Title: Re: Bitshare's Tee's and hoodies, Open call to have YOUR DAC listed on the back
Post by: fuzzy on August 13, 2014, 05:35:23 am
Here is a quick mock up. I am not sure how I feel about the font of the qoute but I am open to suggestions and it could easliy be changed to a block style should the community wish it.

(http://i.imgur.com/6kQCutg.png) (http://imgur.com/6kQCutg)

Add to the back "and collapsed their monopolies"...
Title: Re: Bitshare's Tee's and hoodies, Open call to have YOUR DAC listed on the back
Post by: Gentso1 on August 13, 2014, 12:51:20 pm
The bounty is gone man. It was clearly stated it was inside Appolo.

Bounty or now bounty, I have posted even before the dry run how the order matching system can be exploited. I cannot prove it, in a dry run or out of it, because you have to be a broker (fill an order for somebody else) or in some other way know about upcoming order. Other than that I do not think there is much to exploit in the order matching. Said system is just a terribly annoying way to do the things and you will hear a lot about it when people start using it for real….

I don't completely understand the matching system tbh. I understand the market pegged asset's and I follow the use of collateral but I don't really have a back round in trading so I will leave my .02cents out of what I barely understand. As long as the team is receptive to change when it is warranted the the platform is properly vetted BEFORE trading of assets I think/hope we will be all right.

What I am trying to understand is how the system can be exploited just by someone acting as a broker. If you have a more in depth explanation I would love to give it a read weather it's here or pm or perhaps a thread you could point me too.
Title: Re: Bitshare's Tee's and hoodies, Open call to have YOUR DAC listed on the back
Post by: tonyk on August 13, 2014, 02:11:04 pm
The bounty is gone man. It was clearly stated it was inside Appolo.

Bounty or now bounty, I have posted even before the dry run how the order matching system can be exploited. I cannot prove it, in a dry run or out of it, because you have to be a broker (fill an order for somebody else) or in some other way know about upcoming order. Other than that I do not think there is much to exploit in the order matching. Said system is just a terribly annoying way to do the things and you will hear a lot about it when people start using it for real….

I don't completely understand the matching system tbh. I understand the market pegged asset's and I follow the use of collateral but I don't really have a back round in trading so I will leave my .02cents out of what I barely understand. As long as the team is receptive to change when it is warranted the the platform is properly vetted BEFORE trading of assets I think/hope we will be all right.

What I am trying to understand is how the system can be exploited just by someone acting as a broker. If you have a more in depth explanation I would love to give it a read weather it's here or pm or perhaps a thread you could point me too.

It so not so big of a deal as it sounds, really. BTSX is supposed to prevent front running : http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Front_running by using an order matching system called ‘get what you asked for (i.e. not more)’. Well it actually is not preventing it – which is not a big deal because no system as  of now successfully prevents it, afaik.

Here is a thread where I try to explain why it will not be good  experience for customers: https://bitsharestalk.org/index.php?topic=5170.msg67914#msg67914

Let see this with an example. I will use bter as most everybody here is probably familiar with it and their order placing is pretty well done:

Code: [Select]
Sell orders
Price (BTC/BTSX)    Amount(BTSX)
0.0000155 1000
0.0000158 3000
0.0000163 1000

 If you click on the third price in bter – your buy order box will be pre- populated with the total amount 5000=(1000+3000+1000) and the max price of 0.0000163. If you do submit this order (as it is pre-populated) you will pay:
(1000*155+3000*158+1000*163)/10^7=0.0792 BTC

In the BTSX “get what you asked for” system submitting the same order you will pay:
5000*163/10^7 = 0.0815 BTC or  ~3% more.
If you want to avoid this you have to submit 3 orders – for 1000@ 0.0000155; 3000@ 0.0000158 and 1000@ 0.0000163  …
Imagine if you want to buy more and the order book starts with 7 miniscule orders. The result is annoying experience for the customers.
Title: Re: Bitshare's Tee's and hoodies, Open call to have YOUR DAC listed on the back
Post by: xeroc on August 13, 2014, 02:38:29 pm
But can an intelligent trading interface do this for you automatically? they main difference would then only be that you need to execute and pay fees for 3 trades instead of 1 .. I think this issue can be nicely handled with some extra logic in the user interface
Title: Re: Bitshare's Tee's and hoodies, Open call to have YOUR DAC listed on the back
Post by: tonyk on August 13, 2014, 02:48:08 pm
But can an intelligent trading interface do this for you automatically? they main difference would then only be that you need to execute and pay fees for 3 trades instead of 1 .. I think this issue can be nicely handled with some extra logic in the user interface

It would be nice. But last I checked, toast did not thought so, mainly because he expects numerous new orders coming every second, as far as I can recall.

That being said I believe it is almost mandatory to have such 'smart order placement' in the wallet, as you suggested!
Title: Re: Bitshare's Tee's and hoodies, Open call to have YOUR DAC listed on the back
Post by: Gentso1 on August 13, 2014, 02:51:37 pm
The bounty is gone man. It was clearly stated it was inside Appolo.

Bounty or now bounty, I have posted even before the dry run how the order matching system can be exploited. I cannot prove it, in a dry run or out of it, because you have to be a broker (fill an order for somebody else) or in some other way know about upcoming order. Other than that I do not think there is much to exploit in the order matching. Said system is just a terribly annoying way to do the things and you will hear a lot about it when people start using it for real….

I don't completely understand the matching system tbh. I understand the market pegged asset's and I follow the use of collateral but I don't really have a back round in trading so I will leave my .02cents out of what I barely understand. As long as the team is receptive to change when it is warranted the the platform is properly vetted BEFORE trading of assets I think/hope we will be all right.

What I am trying to understand is how the system can be exploited just by someone acting as a broker. If you have a more in depth explanation I would love to give it a read weather it's here or pm or perhaps a thread you could point me too.

It so not so big of a deal as it sounds, really. BTSX is supposed to prevent front running : http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Front_running by using an order matching system called ‘get what you asked for (i.e. not more)’. Well it actually is not preventing it – which is not a big deal because no system as  of now successfully prevents it, afaik.

Here is a thread where I try to explain why it will not be good  experience for customers: https://bitsharestalk.org/index.php?topic=5170.msg67914#msg67914

Let see this with an example. I will use bter as most everybody here is probably familiar with it and their order placing is pretty well done:

Code: [Select]
Sell orders
Price (BTC/BTSX)    Amount(BTSX)
0.0000155 1000
0.0000158 3000
0.0000163 1000

 If you click on the third price in bter – your buy order box will be pre- populated with the total amount 5000=(1000+3000+1000) and the max price of 0.0000163. If you do submit this order (as it is pre-populated) you will pay:
(1000*155+3000*158+1000*163)/10^7=0.0792 BTC

In the BTSX “get what you asked for” system submitting the same order you will pay:
5000*163/10^7 = 0.0815 BTC or  ~3% more.
If you want to avoid this you have to submit 3 orders – for 1000@ 0.0000155; 3000@ 0.0000158 and 1000@ 0.0000163  …
Imagine if you want to buy more and the order book starts with 7 miniscule orders. The result is annoying experience for the customers.

Your bter analogy is great and easy to understand. If what you are saying is indeed true, why would we be doing this.
I am not a day trader but when you place a buy order you want it filled from the top down until is is filled as cheaply as possible.  I don't understand what attack vectors or market manipulation we would be preventing by increasing fees to get orders filled that can be circumvented by creating many small orders.

Maybe this is just one of the things that I won't "get" but in this area I don't see a reason to reinvent the wheel but again my understanding of this is I feel is just barely starting to scratch the surface. Either way thanks for dumbing it down a bit for me as I now understand you point of view.
Title: Re: Bitshare's Tee's and hoodies, Open call to have YOUR DAC listed on the back
Post by: Gentso1 on August 13, 2014, 02:57:50 pm
Back on topic.......lol
(http://i.imgur.com/Wjtgc2q.png) (http://imgur.com/Wjtgc2q)
Title: Re: Bitshare's Tee's and hoodies, Open call to have YOUR DAC listed on the back
Post by: tonyk on August 13, 2014, 03:10:09 pm

  I don't understand what attack vectors or market manipulation we would be preventing by increasing fees to get orders filled that can be circumvented by creating many small orders.


This a pure deduction on my part, as I have not heard it directly from anyone – block producers have great control over arranging the timing (i.e. manipulating the timing) of upcoming orders, before the block is actually produced…
Title: Re: Bitshare's Tee's and hoodies, Open call to have YOUR DAC listed on the back
Post by: bitbro on August 13, 2014, 03:59:56 pm
Let's take I killed the bank out of the quotations and leave Andrew jackson out too
Title: Re: Bitshare's Tee's and hoodies, Open call to have YOUR DAC listed on the back
Post by: Ggozzo on August 13, 2014, 04:19:06 pm
I made some designs too.



Check here: https://bitsharestalk.org/index.php?topic=6909.0

Title: Re: Bitshare's Tee's and hoodies, Open call to have YOUR DAC listed on the back
Post by: toast on August 13, 2014, 04:33:48 pm
I made some designs too.



Check here: https://bitsharestalk.org/index.php?topic=6909.0

I accidentally deleted that post when trying to merge it into this thread, sorry! =P
Please keep it in one thread.


Also, would not wear those designs.
Title: Re: Bitshare's Tee's and hoodies, Open call to have YOUR DAC listed on the back
Post by: Gentso1 on August 13, 2014, 04:47:36 pm
Let's take I killed the bank out of the quotations and leave Andrew jackson out too

When quoting someone I am pretty sure its good practice to give them credit for their words. Taking the actually "" out might make it look a little more pleasing.
I made some designs too.



Check here: https://bitsharestalk.org/index.php?topic=6909.0

I accidentally deleted that post when trying to merge it into this thread, sorry! =P
Please keep it in one thread.


Also, would not wear those designs.

I am assuming you are talking my latest design and not the one skyscaraperfarms posted.
What I dont understand is, if you are talking about my design, I feel like you are almost starting to troll me a bit because this is exactly as you described earlier in this thread. 

On a side not is there a certain person I should get in touch with from I3 to get permission to make some shirts?

We live in a world of smartphones, laptops and search engines. 

One line and a brand is a good way to pique curiosity.  Once on site the visitor can find the rest of the Bitshares ecosystem

KISS works very well with marketing in our one click you are gone world
So your suggestion would also be to drop the DAC's on the back and to keep the logo and qoute in there current placement? I just want to clarify.

Front: bitshares, small in left
Back:  "I killed the bank", larger bitshares centered below.

I prefer black.
 
Title: Re: Bitshare's Tee's and hoodies, Open call to have YOUR DAC listed on the back
Post by: bitbro on August 13, 2014, 04:50:21 pm
Andrew jackson has nothing to do with this if you really think about it.  I don't care what he said, by buying Bts, I killed the bank
Title: Re: Bitshare's Tee's and hoodies, Open call to have YOUR DAC listed on the back
Post by: toast on August 13, 2014, 04:51:01 pm
I am assuming you are talking my latest design and not the one skyscaraperfarms posted.
What I dont understand it if you are talking about my design I feel like you are almost starting to troll me a bit because this is exactly as you described earlier in this thread. 

I was talking about skyscraperfarms
Title: Re: Bitshare's Tee's and hoodies, Open call to have YOUR DAC listed on the back
Post by: Gentso1 on August 13, 2014, 04:54:16 pm
I am assuming you are talking my latest design and not the one skyscaraperfarms posted.
What I dont understand it if you are talking about my design I feel like you are almost starting to troll me a bit because this is exactly as you described earlier in this thread. 

I was talking about skyscraperfarms
In that case my mistake and thanks. Would you have any direction on who I could send the mock up to from I3. Also Do we have a vector bitshares logo so we can make a high quality print.
Title: Re: Bitshare's Tee's and hoodies, Open call to have YOUR DAC listed on the back
Post by: toast on August 13, 2014, 04:56:53 pm
I am assuming you are talking my latest design and not the one skyscaraperfarms posted.
What I dont understand it if you are talking about my design I feel like you are almost starting to troll me a bit because this is exactly as you described earlier in this thread. 

I was talking about skyscraperfarms
In that case my mistake and thanks. Would you have any direction on who I could send the mock up to from I3. Also Do we have a vector bitshares logo so we can make a high quality print.

IDK maybe arlen or brian?

cass has vector logos
Title: Re: Bitshare's Tee's and hoodies, Open call to have YOUR DAC listed on the back
Post by: toast on August 13, 2014, 04:57:08 pm
better yet just make a teespring campaign
Title: Re: Bitshare's Tee's and hoodies, Open call to have YOUR DAC listed on the back
Post by: Ggozzo on August 13, 2014, 05:00:08 pm
I made some designs too.



Check here: https://bitsharestalk.org/index.php?topic=6909.0

I accidentally deleted that post when trying to merge it into this thread, sorry! =P
Please keep it in one thread.


Also, would not wear those designs.

Pretty standard T-Shirts. Are you one of those types of people that likes dragons, dice, cards on fire with 8 balls all over their shirts?  :)  I won't be designing one of those.

Perhaps I3 could hire Lucky Brand to design some cool t-shirts. Or maybe Stussy. They are probably on hard times and could use some money. 

We don't need a designer shirt that someone is supposed to go to their prom in or meet the President in. It's a T-Shirt. Something you go to get a hamburger in. 

I'll scratch my ideas.
Title: Re: Bitshare's Tee's and hoodies, Open call to have YOUR DAC listed on the back
Post by: Gentso1 on August 13, 2014, 05:02:36 pm
I am assuming you are talking my latest design and not the one skyscaraperfarms posted.
What I dont understand it if you are talking about my design I feel like you are almost starting to troll me a bit because this is exactly as you described earlier in this thread. 

I was talking about skyscraperfarms
In that case my mistake and thanks. Would you have any direction on who I could send the mock up to from I3. Also Do we have a vector bitshares logo so we can make a high quality print.

IDK maybe arlen or brian?

cass has vector logos
Thanks again for your help I have pm'd cass about the logo and permission. Right now thats the only thing stopping the shirts from being printed.
Title: Re: Bitshare's Tee's and hoodies, Open call to have YOUR DAC listed on the back
Post by: cass on August 13, 2014, 09:17:08 pm
https://drive.google.com/folderview?id=0Byas4iw-a9PPcHpYbWlKVzZ4YlE&usp=sharing
Title: Re: Bitshare's Tee's and hoodies, Open call to have YOUR DAC listed on the back
Post by: cass on August 13, 2014, 09:28:22 pm
(http://bitshares.org/design/shirts/1/Shirt-ideas-V1.jpg)

have done this in june ... idk (rough draft) ... maybe i could upload an alternative BitSharesX shirt tomorrow ... let me know what you're thinking
Title: Re: Bitshare's Tee's and hoodies, Open call to have YOUR DAC listed on the back
Post by: xeroc on August 14, 2014, 09:14:31 am
very nice .. totaly different ... total non-offensive ..
Title: Re: Bitshare's Tee's and hoodies, Open call to have YOUR DAC listed on the back
Post by: Gentso1 on August 14, 2014, 12:17:05 pm
(http://bitshares.org/design/shirts/1/Shirt-ideas-V1.jpg)

have done this in june ... idk (rough draft) ... maybe i could upload an alternative BitSharesX shirt tomorrow ... let me know what you're thinking

The one thing I dont like will probably be the one thing others do and thats the front and the way it is layed out across the shirt.I want a shirt that causes a stir, that splashes through the puddles instead of walking around them.

I think the answer lies in 2 completely different designs to suit give people 2 completely different flavors.  I would be happy to have my friend that is doing my shirts also to do yours. The price should be the same or cheaper then those of the big sites but with a higher quality product. The min run is 30 and perhaps with some support from I3 we could have 2 completely unique designs and they could do some give away's or wear the shirts them selves and we could build a image.  We are talking about a total of 600$(plus shipping) for roughly for 60 tee's, 2 unique designs and if they wanted the could recoup some of the funds through sales of the shirt(we don't have to give them all away) :P.

Thoughts?
Title: Re: Bitshare's Tee's and hoodies, Open call to have YOUR DAC listed on the back
Post by: Gentso1 on August 20, 2014, 01:21:08 am
Well it has happened, I have received not only permission but also funding from I3(thanks guys) to go ahead with the tee shirt run.

But wait Bitshares is all about choices so why be stuck with one shirt design. Because of I3's support we are able to use both the mock-up I created and cass's mock up to leave the choice up to you which style you would like to wear.

Some shirts will be given away in support of the community, some will be sold with all funds going into a marketing account with specific set goals(i.e. the bart billboard idea, renting add space, buying signatures etc). So by buying a shirt you are not only promoting awareness of Bitshares you are also contributing to a marketing fund biased purely on community participation and a poll.
The community has asked for alternative forms of marketing so now everyone has a chance to participate on a vote based marketing system. The size of the fund is only limited by the support the community shows. This is a opportunity to raise awareness through the shirt and the fund. 

Stay tuned for a posting of final mock-ups and get your marketing ideas ready-----marketing thread found herehttps://bitsharestalk.org/index.php?topic=7118.new#new (https://bitsharestalk.org/index.php?topic=7118.new#new)
Title: Re: Bitshare's Tee's and hoodies, Open call to have YOUR DAC listed on the back
Post by: toast on August 20, 2014, 01:56:04 am
I think the best approach is to start multiple teespring campaigns and let the buyers decide
Title: Re: Bitshare's Tee's and hoodies, Open call to have YOUR DAC listed on the back
Post by: Stan on August 20, 2014, 01:59:11 am
Well it has happened, I have received not only permission but also funding from I3(thanks guys) to go ahead with the tee shirt run.

But wait Bitshares is all about choices so why be stuck with one shirt design. Because of I3's support we are able to use both the mock-up I created and cass's mock up to leave the choice up to you which style you would like to wear.

Some shirts will be given away in support of the community, some will be sold with all funds going into a marketing account with specific set goals(i.e. the bart billboard idea, renting add space, buying signatures etc). So by buying a shirt you are not only promoting awareness of Bitshares you are also contributing to a marketing fund biased purely on community participation and a poll.
The community has asked for alternative forms of marketing so now everyone has a chance to participate on a vote based marketing system. The size of the fund is only limited by the support the community shows. This is a opportunity to raise awareness through the shirt and the fund. 

Stay tuned for a posting of final mock-ups and get your marketing ideas ready-----marketing thread found herehttps://bitsharestalk.org/index.php?topic=7118.new#new (https://bitsharestalk.org/index.php?topic=7118.new#new)

What I like most here is the independent entrepreneurial initiative.
We are building a decentralized industry while slowly decentralizing even ourselves.
Hope to see more such initiatives.

Title: Re: Bitshare's Tee's and hoodies, Open call to have YOUR DAC listed on the back
Post by: fuzzy on August 20, 2014, 07:50:04 am
Well it has happened, I have received not only permission but also funding from I3(thanks guys) to go ahead with the tee shirt run.

But wait Bitshares is all about choices so why be stuck with one shirt design. Because of I3's support we are able to use both the mock-up I created and cass's mock up to leave the choice up to you which style you would like to wear.

Some shirts will be given away in support of the community, some will be sold with all funds going into a marketing account with specific set goals(i.e. the bart billboard idea, renting add space, buying signatures etc). So by buying a shirt you are not only promoting awareness of Bitshares you are also contributing to a marketing fund biased purely on community participation and a poll.
The community has asked for alternative forms of marketing so now everyone has a chance to participate on a vote based marketing system. The size of the fund is only limited by the support the community shows. This is a opportunity to raise awareness through the shirt and the fund. 

Stay tuned for a posting of final mock-ups and get your marketing ideas ready-----marketing thread found herehttps://bitsharestalk.org/index.php?topic=7118.new#new (https://bitsharestalk.org/index.php?topic=7118.new#new)

What I like most here is the independent entrepreneurial initiative.
We are building a decentralized industry while slowly decentralizing even ourselves.
Hope to see more such initiatives.

hehe...
Title: Re: Bitshare's Tee's and hoodies, Open call to have YOUR DAC listed on the back
Post by: Riverhead on August 20, 2014, 01:29:03 pm
I think the best approach is to start multiple teespring campaigns and let the buyers decide


 +5%  They are free and easy to create.
Title: Re: Bitshare's Tee's and hoodies, Open call to have YOUR DAC listed on the back
Post by: Gentso1 on August 20, 2014, 03:34:38 pm
I think the best approach is to start multiple teespring campaigns and let the buyers decide


 +5%  They are free and easy to create.
This is true and I asked my screen printer friend about many of the big online companies and there shirts. His answer is that they are lower quality. Everything from the base type of the shirt to the screen printing that is done. Also if you go to tee spring and do a base design with a two tone logo on a black premium ring spun tee and some text in the back you are up to $11.30(run of 30) before shipping.

Our shirts are $10 and will be of equal quality or better.  Teespring does have a nice easy to use interface and is perhaps more scale-able in the fact that they handel all the shipping vs me who is just going to donate my time. Of course the beauty of this is as Stan said we can all have the same goal and go about it many ways. If you feel the best way is to use Teesping then go for it. To be honest If I start getting a ton of interest I would start a Teespring campaign just because I don't want to make shipping tees a full time job.

I3 was very open and receptive to helping to get this idea off the ground. Get involved, present ideas. I believed marketing should be taken a different direction so I started thishttps://bitsharestalk.org/index.php?topic=7118.new#new (https://bitsharestalk.org/index.php?topic=7118.new#new) post and be heard.   
Title: Re: Bitshare's Tee's and hoodies, Open call to have YOUR DAC listed on the back
Post by: cass on August 20, 2014, 03:39:53 pm
@Gentso1: Just short! GREAT NEWS!! Thx for your PM, will contact you later on. Just back at office now. Maybe you can sent your skype nick for faster communication way ...

cheers
cass
Title: Re: Bitshare's Tee's and hoodies, Open call to have YOUR DAC listed on the back
Post by: cass on August 20, 2014, 03:44:00 pm
And i would love to contribute a 3rd design as well ... it's in pipeline yet. or maybe change my first one then ... but will try to make a *kick ass tee design over night ..
Question on this is .. how they are printed .. How filigree they could printed? .. whats the thinest path/line/pencil thickness? Etc... pls let us talk via skpye to get this all clear asap!

Great :)  +5%  i'm absolutely agree to Stan ... great initiative ..go for it
Title: Re: Bitshare's Tee's and hoodies, Open call to have YOUR DAC listed on the back
Post by: Gentso1 on September 04, 2014, 09:37:26 pm
They are here.......
(http://i60.tinypic.com/r1wyfk.jpg)
I sent some out in the post today to Stan's team.
I have a few in-stock from first run. If the first few sell out I will do more runs but they have to be in batches of at least 13.
Price is 10$ plus shipping (all shirts shipped USPS with tracking/flat rate boxes I think its 5 bucks anywhere in the US).
The project has been funded by I3 so thanks goes to them, any profit will be contributed to a public marketing fund or burned :)
Vinyl stickers with Bitshares logo coming soon, stay tuned.
Oh and how about a best MEME giveaway for a free tee. The theme will be bit asset's bitGLD,bitBTC,bitCNY.....etc. Anything funny, creative, crazy.Try and show why bit assets are the way to go. Meme's must be posted by 9/10 3pm EST. Multiple entries are ENCOURAGED but not necessary.
please post memes in here--------https://bitsharestalk.org/index.php?topic=8369.new#new (https://bitsharestalk.org/index.php?topic=8369.new#new)
Title: Re: Bitshare's Tee's and hoodies, Open call to have YOUR DAC listed on the back
Post by: GaltReport on September 04, 2014, 10:30:23 pm
Honestly I wouldn't wear it. Make it simpler and less "BUY BITSHARES" vibe.

A simple "I killed the bank" on the bank and "bitshares" on the front left

I like this idea.  I would wear buy and wear this.  Sometimes less is better.  Good Logo, Good Quote.
Title: Re: Bitshare's Tee's and hoodies, Open call to have YOUR DAC listed on the back
Post by: GaltReport on September 04, 2014, 10:33:15 pm
They are here.......
(http://i60.tinypic.com/r1wyfk.jpg)
I sent some out in the post today to Stan's team.
I have a few in-stock from first run. If the first few sell out I will do more runs but they have to be in batches of at least 13.
Price is 10$ plus shipping (all shirts shipped USPS with tracking/flat rate boxes I think its 5 bucks anywhere in the US).
The project has been funded by I3 so thanks goes to them, any profit will be contributed to a public marketing fund or burned :)
Vinyl stickers with Bitshares logo coming soon, stay tuned.
Oh and how about a best MEME giveaway for a free tee. The theme will be bit asset's bitGLD,bitBTC,bitCNY.....etc. Anything funny, creative, crazy.Try and show why bit assets are the way to go. Meme's must be posted by 9/10 3pm EST. Multiple entries are ENCOURAGED but not necessary.
please post memes in here--------https://bitsharestalk.org/index.php?topic=8369.new#new (https://bitsharestalk.org/index.php?topic=8369.new#new)

How do you buy them?
Title: Re: Bitshare's Tee's and hoodies, Open call to have YOUR DAC listed on the back
Post by: Gentso1 on September 04, 2014, 10:34:46 pm
Anyone who would like the create their own design is more then welcome. My friend said he can screen print anything you can put on vector or raster 8)? More colors equal more cost, min run of 12. Bigger runs/or using a lower quality shirt can lower cost some.  So go nuts guys he loves a challenge. 

For orders just send me a pm and I will get you sorted.

btsx and bitUSD ONLY please.
Title: Re: Bitshare's Tee's and hoodies, Open call to have YOUR DAC listed on the back
Post by: donkeypong on September 04, 2014, 11:20:45 pm
I would wear a simple BitShares T, but I think we can come up with a more positive slogan than the bank quote.
Title: Re: Bitshare's Tee's and hoodies, Open call to have YOUR DAC listed on the back
Post by: Gentso1 on September 04, 2014, 11:43:07 pm
To buy a existing shirt please send the following.
size
shipping info
and account you will be sending funds from
I will reply confirmed to the above and provide tracking when shipped thank you.