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General Discussion / Re: Basic market maker bot for bter BTC/bitUSD available
« on: January 24, 2015, 10:09:43 pm »Rather than repeat what has already been discussed
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Rather than repeat what has already been discussed
I disagree with this quote from the blog post:Quote from: bytemasterThe US government has no realistic means of ever paying off [its] debt...
A country can always inflate its way out of debt.
In other words, the national debt is in nominal terms. I.e. it is a certain number of dollars. Bondholders have no guarantee about the real value of the goods and services represented by this nominal debt.
I personally NEVER hold any value in any IOUs inside ripple, but rather use them for what they are meant to be used:Then what is the point of even attempting decentralization? Why not just make ripple a centralized service completely? It seems like it would be much easier.
Cash-in & Cash-out.
Congratulations to the Ripple folks. However, I prefer the security of a self-contained autonomous financial system such as bitcoin or bitshares. As the fiat currency crisis deepens, defaults will inevitably occur with some ripple gateways IMHO. Some gateways will be in need of a bailout and may or may not get them. The only true flight to safety will be inside systems that are not subject to counterparty risk such as bitcoin and bitshares. Ripple provides a much needed patch for the legacy banking system but I believe the entire legacy system needs to be replaced completely. Make no mistake, when you trust a ripple gateway, you are trusting someone else with your money, which has been proven to be a bad idea. Of course, who am I to argue with the market.
You speak out of ignorance of mechanics of Ripple AND mechanics of the current Bitcoin/BitShares ecosystem.
Any current Bitcoin of BTS exchange issues "account balances" a.k.a. IOUs.
What Ripple does in ADDITION to Bitcoin is formalize the role of such entities in the protocol.
However, even tho Ripple Gateways do cash-in / cash-out operations into and out of Ripple, UNLIKE current banks or crypto exchanges ALL their balances are tradable and once issued, cannot (in general with some exceptions) be frozen.
So there is absolutely nothing new here.
I personally NEVER hold any value in any IOUs inside ripple, but rather use them for what they are meant to be used:
Cash-in & Cash-out.
It's a whole huge discussion on weather or not Ripple is currently centralized or de-centralizable in the future.
And I can answer specific questions, but I see 9 out of 10 people criticise Ripple out of complete ignorance about what it is.
Just spend an hour reading the wiki and come out better informed next time: https://wiki.ripple.com/Main_Page
Congratulations to the Ripple folks. However, I prefer the security of a self-contained autonomous financial system such as bitcoin or bitshares. As the fiat currency crisis deepens, defaults will inevitably occur with some ripple gateways IMHO. Some gateways will be in need of a bailout and may or may not get them. The only true flight to safety will be inside systems that are not subject to counterparty risk such as bitcoin and bitshares. Ripple provides a much needed patch for the legacy banking system but I believe the entire legacy system needs to be replaced completely. Make no mistake, when you trust a ripple gateway, you are trusting someone else with your money, which has been proven to be a bad idea. Of course, who am I to argue with the market.
What if the secret plan is for XRP to become the reserve currency?
Freezing funds is a slippery slope.
Frustration with marketing is nothing new, but things have only been improving. Adam is legit and CAVO is a huge opportunity, Brian's crew is legit but cannot execute until we give them the go-ahead with a nice wallet and protocol v1.
I agree with this, we cant just freeze funds as much as I would like to. It will make people lose confidence in the system...
A slippery slope indeed. Part of the reason people will come into the BitShares ecosystem is to avoid their money being effectively or literally taken from them (or devalued) by 'the system'. This will be hindered if the BitShares ecosystem has demonstrated that it's done exactly this.
It wouldn't be such a disaster if BTS were to be taken back contractually 'off chain' though (rather than being frozen).
There is another important advantage of IOU gateways being built into the blockchain: You can build a gateway without having the risk of storing any of your user's crypto funds. Whenever the gateway's fiat bank account receives a deposit, it issues an IOU to the user's BitShares wallet. The user is then responsible for keeping his own IOU, and he can trade it on the blockchain however he wants.
This can make MtGox collapses a thing of the past.
Am I right in this assessment?
No. IOU are always subject to Goxing unless there is on chain collateral. Which I guess any gateway could do... the problem is this would limit the gateways ability to take deposits because they would have to buy some BTS for every IOU they issued.
Thanks, but I dont quite understand. I thought the collateral behind a gateway's IOUs is the fiat that the gateway receives. Why would a BitShares gateway need to hold collateral on the blockchain? I dont think there has ever been a single crypto exchange that went bust because their bank account got hacked - just their crypto funds.